Recap: Bobby Belt on Kelvin Joseph

[Flamma]

I think Joseph has two things working in his favor. First, it happened in Texas. Second, he's one of the few actual witnesses to the crime, so the state is going to want him on its side to get a conviction. That he didn't report what happened immediately works against him, but that can be forgiven with cooperation.

Yep. If he's not charged, it's pretty much 100% the state is using him as a witness.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think Joseph has two things working in his favor. First, it happened in Texas. Second, he's one of the few actual witnesses to the crime, so the state is going to want him on its side to get a conviction. That he didn't report what happened immediately works against him, but that can be forgiven with cooperation.

He is a millionaire,a cowboy,jerry the billionaire is on his side, so no way he is going to get convicted, even if he was one of the shooters.
was it 2 guns firing or 3?? He could pay the other guys to take the rap and get money to them in prison, and if they ever get out
have some money for them.
Who knows what really happened that nite? Only the guys in the car know and will ever know, although as years go by one or more of them may
talk about it and tell the truth.

 

[MarcusRock]

Being associated with a legit murderer and being in the SAME car in a driveby warrants a touch of caution for normal functioning adults.

Maybe don't go getting on his lawn when he's told you not to be on it then?

As soon as he's charged with something and/or can't play in the NFL, folks will continue to talk up his prospects. As for now he's on the team unless Goodell says otherwise. I guess the folks who want to wring their hands will continue to do so.

I've been skeptical of him ever since I heard him almost cry live on the air when he heard the Cowboys were releasing Jaylon Smith.

Seriously, he was very defensive of Smith and thought it was a mistake. I was like, what? How can anyone say that? Especially a team "expert."

No kiddin'. Sounds legit. Lol.

 

[phildadon86]

Other than the shooting, which he wasn't directly involved in, and some no-name guy in the media, what else points to Joseph being a bad draft pick? The reps he played in last year, he did pretty well. Nobody knew Brown, a 6th round pick, who also happens to run a 4.3, was going to pan out.

What are we supposed to do? Sit a guy in favor of a rookie because he was a higher pick?

Brown earned the spot. That doesn't make Joseph a bad player or pick.

And neither does this guy talking smack about him.

Anthony Brown is actually quite an athlete. A cornerback who benches 225 19 times, and runs a 4.3.

When there are players there that can instantly help your team without the red flags. You take them. Samuel, JOK, Humphrey.

You telling me Joseph with his baggage was the smart pick? Lol come on bro

 

[tyke1doe]

If that's the case then I'd agree. I just don't usually put much stock in these rumors. We've heard it before. I figured he was injured.

This could be a wake up call for him. If it were you or me, we'd be arrested. I hope his legal team and agent are stressing that. An attitude change usually follows a good scare.

But not for long.

 

[plymkr]

If that's the case then I'd agree. I just don't usually put much stock in these rumors. We've heard it before. I figured he was injured.

This could be a wake up call for him. If it were you or me, we'd be arrested. I hope his legal team and agent are stressing that. An attitude change usually follows a good scare.

100 % agree with you. I'm rooting for him that he turns things around. You also bring up a good point. Does the guy who wrote this about him know what he's talking about?

 

[phildadon86]

But not for long.

Not in Dallas lol. Ask Randy took him 6 years to his act together and then he left lol

 

[jnday]

KJ was the most athletically gifted guy available. If they can coach him up, they made the right move. Nobody knows what he'll do this year, and nobody really knows how the gamble will play out. Every pick is a gamble.

The guy had very little game experience in college compared to most players. With his attitude, it was worse than a gamble. It was a throwaway pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think Joseph has two things working in his favor. First, it happened in Texas. Second, he's one of the few actual witnesses to the crime, so the state is going to want him on its side to get a conviction. That he didn't report what happened immediately works against him, but that can be forgiven with cooperation.

I think they confessed once brought in.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The guy had very little game experience in college compared to most players. With his attitude, it was worse than a gamble. It was a throwaway pick.

It’s a throwaway if he can’t play. These teams trust their own boards not the boards of fans who have no idea what they are watching.

 

[Flamma]

100 % agree with you. I'm rooting for him that he turns things around. You also bring up a good point. Does the guy who wrote this about him know what he's talking about?

Good question, does he? Even if he does, it doesn't mean his attitude hasn't changed.

 

[Pass2Run]

He was directly involved, he couldn't possibly be more involved and not get convicted of murder. The "no name" journalist brought what insiders are talking about and that is Joseph isn't a great team mate or worker of his craft. He made THREE plays on the ball all season, that's awful not "pretty well."

Why is this so hard for some to swallow?

For fun, we should start a simple poll with 2 options.
1) Joseph will start a season
2) Joseph will not start

He got very limited play against Washington and Arizona, and he actually looks pretty good.

Then, there was that fight. Not sure what that was about, but he got ejected.

 

[gimmesix]

I think they confessed once brought in.

That's what I read. But that happened a day after he was interviewed by police. Plus, even though they have their confessions, they still need witnesses or a good defense attorney will rip the case apart. Being in the vehicle with them, Joseph will be a key to the case against them.

As long as he handles it right, being a witness should work in his favor. Even without that, though, I think we can get caught up in the fact that he was there and assume that he did something wrong, other than get into an altercation with the person who got shot.

This is what Joseph's attorney said:

"Kelvin Joseph did not shoot Cameron Ray. Mr. Ray’s death is a tragedy, and Kelvin extends his deepest condolences for the family’s loss. On the night of March 17, Kelvin was unarmed and was not looking for violence. He found himself in a situation that escalated without his knowledge or consent. Along with condolences to the Ray family, Kelvin apologizes to the Dallas community for being anywhere near this type of incident. The investigation is ongoing, and we intend to respect the process.”

He's an attorney, so he could be lying, or that could simply be what happened. I don't understand why some just want to assume the worst. Even the police say that they believe Joseph was not the shooter.

 

[RonWashington]

We did get Nashon Wright though .

 

[Mr_437]

What is Joseph doing now...that was last year?

 

[Haimerej]

He's an attorney, so he could be lying, or that could simply be what happened. I don't understand why some just want to assume the worst. Even the police say that they believe Joseph was not the shooter.

There's the Law of Parties as well as failure to immediately report the crime. I've been googling drive-bys in Texas and I have yet to find another one where everyone in the car wasn't arrested.

I mean, yeah, I doubt KJ went out on the hunt that night. But I have a hard time believing he was an innocent bystander. I doubt any other guy in that vehicle had $3 million. Sure, there are hard crazy people out there who might scare the millionaire from the old hood... but at the same time they've confessed after he talked.

There's also the possibility that he took Cris Carter's advice and has a fall guy or two. That's obviously worst case. There's no reason to believe he would've reported it if his face wasn't put on TV, though.

 

[StarBoyz83]

For sure not good things to hear about him. The suspension will set him back even more.

 

[plymkr]

Good question, does he? Even if he does, it doesn't mean his attitude hasn't changed.

Very true. Attacking the source doesn't validate KJ. I'm really hoping this season KJ turns his attitude and life around. If he goes another year in the doghouse then release him. We don't need another Randy Gregory situation where KJ is always talked about but not for his contribution on the field.

 

[G2]

There's the Law of Parties as well as failure to immediately report the crime. I've been googling drive-bys in Texas and I have yet to find another one where everyone in the car wasn't arrested.

I mean, yeah, I doubt KJ went out on the hunt that night. But I have a hard time believing he was an innocent bystander. I doubt any other guy in that vehicle had $3 million. Sure, there are hard crazy people out there who might scare the millionaire from the old hood... but at the same time they've confessed after he talked.

There's also the possibility that he took Cris Carter's advice and has a fall guy or two. That's obviously worst case. There's no reason to believe he would've reported it if his face wasn't put on TV, though.

I can't for the life of me understand anyone defending the situation or minimizing a death. It almost seems purposely contrarian. Like, he had NO idea they were getting into a scap, armed and on the hunt? Pretty naïve.
I also agree on your point of KJ not reporting the incident if it weren't for being identified.

 

[MarcusRock]

Very true. Attacking the source doesn't validate KJ. I'm really hoping this season KJ turns his attitude and life around. If he goes another year in the doghouse then release him. We don't need another Randy Gregory situation where KJ is always talked about but not for his contribution on the field.

The last part of your post was my point in barging into this thread. Lots of people were predisposed to thinking negatively about Joseph the minute after we drafted him as soon as they found out he also had an interest in rapping. That's why I brought up the outrage around here of him not being at practice last year only to find out it was excused because he wanted to attend a funeral. That was proof positive of where people stood before he did anything on the field. People in the media are paid to study consumer sentiment and make their money by speaking to it so if they know there's a ton of people that really, really want to believe something, I wouldn't put it past them to do stories in reverse, i.e., "let me see if I can find out there what people want to hear," and thus "sources" are found. Some can be true of course but the landscape of media itself isn't some pristine thing as we all know. Heck, this story itself is in the rear view. As someone else just said, where is Joseph's mind and attitude now if this was true?