Just because you paid him does not make him worth it

[McKDaddy]

Respectfully disagree. The D put Russ on the map as Tom and the Offense put the Pats on the map. Trent D. did not put the Ravens on the map, neither did Flacco. Why do you think Bucs are where there at now, the D. Everyone has an opinion, not trying to argue.

I was acknowledging that the D & Beast were the engines but they still would have went home if not for Russ & the receivers making plays to put them over the hump. You gotta give a rookie who came in & outright won the job & then proceeds to go to 2 SB's the following season some credit is all I'm saying.

 

[Ken]

The time has come for Dak to prove he's worth 40 million a year.......enough said!

He hasn't been paid anything close to 40 mill a year.

But keep repeating it...it will make it true!

 

[jrumann59]

Dak is what he is, since he is not completely inept like Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold he will get paid. in the NFL mediocre to good QBs get paid. Look at how much money Tanehill, Fitzpatrick and Winston have been paid and they are on the lower end of NFL starter scale.

 

[kskboys]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

You've got some conflicting thoughts there.

He's not Rodgers, not even close. Sooooooo, filling up the team w/ O weapons is acting as if he is Rodgers.

Dak and Wilson are almost polar opposite QB's.

 

[TwentyOne]

……I wish Rayne Dakotas ceiling was as high as Wilson’s. If it is, I wish Russ would show him how to throw the deep ball with accuracy

Well, that what i was thinking.

Daks ceiling being as high as Wilsons would be like X-Mas and Eastern on the same day.

 

[TwentyOne]

Franchise QBs are going to get paid big bucks. It's just the way it is.

Thats true. Then why not get one first ?

 

[kskboys]

He hasn't been paid anything close to 40 mill a year.

But keep repeating it...it will make it true!

His contract is 4 years 160 mil, 164 mil w/ incentives. You're wrong on this one. 95 mil fully guaranteed.

 

[DallasEast]

Franchise QBs are going to get paid big bucks. It's just the way it is.

Unfortunately some observers believe their definition of franchise quarterback is their own. The actual definition belongs to the owners cutting checks.

I have been saying this since Tony Romo was kicked to the curb. Franchise quarterbacks are not abandoned in-season completely unless another perceived franchise quarterback is already on the roster. Jerry Jones saw Dak Prescott as his new franchise quarterback in less than half of Prescott's rookie season.

It was only a matter of time until Jones' new franchise quarterback would receive a franchise quarterback caliber contract. Professional sports athlete contracts are typically negotiated according to the market. Jones was a buyer in the market. The rest is history.

No one is forced to agree or like Jones' decision. However, the decision to pay Prescott was made years before both he and Prescott came to a contractual agreement. In short, it was always going to happen.

 

[Hennessy_King]

He's not talking about the stats that say 20+ yards is a deep pass, he's talking about the bombs that Wilson puts up and on target. 40-50+ yards in the air. Dak can't do that. Not many can but it's an excellent weapon to have.

https://bestballstats.com/2021/08/25/finding-the-nfls-best-deep-passers/

U guys have no clue wth u are talking about. Dumb dumbs in here

 

[TwentyOne]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

Thats all rational and all OK.

Still even if Dak is not talented enough to be an franchise QB now you have to meassure him by the money he got paid.

In his first 4 years with an contract around 2.7 mils it was ok for everybody that he was an average QB who lacked talent to take us to any meaningful game. But now - especially when he was asking for big money like elites earn - he stands for something else. He got money like he is able to get us a SB every year. So that is his meassuring stick now. Its called "return on investement". And we invested a lot in him.

Again, i understand its unfair. He will never be able to do that. He lacks too much talent. He is what he is.
But he expected to get paid like a big one. Now we expect him to play like one.

 

[kskboys]

Well, that what i was thinking.

Daks ceiling being as high as Wilsons would be like X-Mas and Eastern on the same day.

Dak and Wilson are not the same type QB's, not even close. Dak is more like a Josh Allen type, maybe Tannehill. Not sure if there's any upside left w/ Dak.

 

[Ken]

His contract is 4 years 160 mil, 164 mil w/ incentives. You're wrong on this one. 95 mil fully guaranteed.

Not wrong.

Contracts don't work years / money.

That is for the simps.

 

[kskboys]

He definitely is not as good as Russell. But the best version of Dak is what Russell was for those teams is my point.

Wilson is an accomplished deep ball thrower. Dak is more of a short/mid range type passer. They're really not even close to the same type QB.

 

[CouchCoach]

Booger disagrees and said so when he re-signed Romo and said flatly “he will play better because he’s getting paid better”.

I think he believes that and players will play better as a reward instead of playing for the 2nd contract.

Whatever Prescott’s contract is, that has nothing to do with how he will play. It is simply the rising cost to keep a franchise QB.

 

[TwentyOne]

Dak and Wilson are not the same type QB's, not even close. Dak is more like a Josh Allen type, maybe Tannehill. Not sure if there's any upside left w/ Dak.

Of course i am not sure also. Not 100%. But to argue in extremes doesnt get you anywhere when you want to make decissions. The world is not working like that.
After watching him for around 10 years now, i am pretty sure about his ceiling. And for sure Prescott is no Wilson. He is another type then Wilson, but that is no "excuse" or reason to put him on the same level.

 

[kskboys]

Not wrong.

Contracts don't work years / money.

That is for the simps.

So you're saying we'll cut him?

 

[McKDaddy]

he’s no Russell Wilson when it comes to putting that touch on the deep ball. Russ owns that and in his prime and Raynes prime it’s not close…….Dakota is no where as consistent in that attribute as Russ was/is.

You can go to random clips on YouTube of top QB plays from virtually every year since he entered the league and consistently Russ & AR will be featured. On top of that, how many sport science specials, etc., do these guys have to be the focus of before people realize what these guys do is special?
Whether you like the person or the team they play for, you can still acknowledge what you are seeing.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Booger disagrees and said so when he re-signed Romo and said flatly “he will play better because he’s getting paid better”.

I think he believes that and players will play better as a reward instead of playing for the 2nd contract.

Whatever Prescott’s contract is, that has nothing to do with how he will play. It is simply the rising cost to keep a franchise QB.

Booger is an idiot

 

[kskboys]

This whole QB thing is interesting. I was pretty involved back in the Romo days and now that we have Dak, I find myself distancing myself from this conversation. Dak is fine. My issue with Dak is that I'd like him to hit guys in stride a little better. You bet he's got good accuracy but his WRs could get more yardage (at times) if he'd hit them in stride on a more consistent basis. That being sad, Dak is good enough to bring home a trophy. Just like I used to say that Romo was never going to be good enough to overcome the leadership above, I doubt Dak will be able to do it either. Jerry talks a good game. He's got millions of people thinking he cares about football and he does but it's not his first priority. Money and fame (infamy) are what drives the Jones boys and that's not conducive to winning championships.

Add in ego and narcissism. That's what drives the Joneses.

 

[phildadon86]

See, you've been led to believe that about Jerry because the last time we actually took the QB position seriously was Aikman. That was the last time the Cowboys drafted a 1st round QB and it led to 3 Super Bowl.

We've wasted the past 15 years on an undrafted talent and now a 4th round dual-thread talent that won't be dual-threat anymore. We don't value the QB position enough. Instead, we pay a guy top money because he overachieves. Dak or Romo either one was never good enough. They buckle. They're too inconsistent. They can't be trusted to go through the playoffs without having a stinker of a game.

QBs can 100% win under Jerry. It's been done by Aikman.

The problem with Jerry is he thinks he's found the next Brady when one of his 3rd string QBs gets a chance and then plays well. He locks in on that guy and gets tunnel vision. The reality is Brady is a 1 of 1. Brady is the outlier of all outliers. You can't try and recreate that.

My wish is for Jerry to take the QB position seriously again for the 1st time since Aikman. Draft a 1st round talent, sign a big name QB in FA, or make a blockbuster trade. I know that can't happen for a few years, but when possible I'd like to see it done. If he was serious about doing anything to win then he would sure up the most important position on the team with a real talent.

If this team was serious about winning. They would have built up an elite defense around Parsons in this offseason. Wagner was there, Von Miller was there. The draft done properly could have turned this D into an elite unit. The offense was going to take a step back regardless. Id rather have a top 10-15 offense and a top 3 defense going into the playoffs.

Instead. Here we are.

Regardless of how dak plays this year drafting a QB is a necessity. If Dak has an incredible year and loses in the first round of the playoffs again. Draft a QB round 1.

If they have a decent year dont make the playoffs. Move up in the draft for a QB in round 1.

If they win the freaking SB. Draft a QB in rounds 2-3. And let him sit and learn.

Either way. Draft another QB.