Just because you paid him does not make him worth it

[MountaineerCowboy]

That is a big problem we have. We dont invest into the QB position at all.

An to all those "pro Daks": No! Investment is not giving your QB a 160 mil contract. Investment means finding the right guy way before you need to pay him.

Just figure: the most important position in this sport but you dont invest nothing into it. How could you expect be successful ?

It was the same with Romo and it has been the same with Prescott. Just because we dont invest we got ourselfs into a position where we needed to pay a guy we all knew he wouldnt be able to get us to anything meaningful. Its just like you said: Too inconsistent.

Now someone can think about reasons why they are to inconstistent. For me the reason is: lack of talent. I played sports most of my life and what i learned is: You are consitent arond your talent level. If you have to play beyond your talent level you get inconsistent. Inconsitency is the primary way to judge if a player has the talent (or is ready) to be successfull on a certain kind of level.

We all appreciate Smiths success. Why ? He wasnt the greatest RB at his time. There were others like Barry Sanders. But what made him great was his consitent delivery. Same with Aikman or with other good players. To be consitent you have to have the talent to win against others by playing only 80% of your limit. If you need to play at 100% all the time you will make mistakes and so become inconsitstent.

Dont misunderstand me. I am not talking about willingness to give 100%. They all do. I am talking about ability. Thats why certain teams are able to up their game against stronger oponents or in the playoffs and others dont. Prescott for instance needs to play 100% to his ability to even be able to beat weak teams. There is nothing left to up when he has to play against better defenses.

You're 100% right.

They just don't have the talent to play consistently at a high enough level.

You can still win like that and it's been proven, but you have to hit everywhere else.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You Said, "We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. "

I understand about the Pro Bowl and tag...i really do. However, those two things next to your name never equal not having a receiver.

Which was the point that you missed.

maybe I should have said high level talent at WR. You recall the year we traded for Amari Cooper? The year we boasted all off-season about the WR by committee approach? That lasted 7 games. Like I said, we have seen this movie before.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

maybe I should have said high level talent at WR. You recall the year we traded for Amari Cooper? The year we boasted all off-season about the WR by committee approach? That lasted 7 games. Like I said, we have seen this movie before.

I remember.

4 of those 7 games Dak didn't even get over 200 yards passing.

It was ugly and Dak needs elite talent around him in the worst way.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I remember.

4 of those 7 games Dak didn't even get over 200 yards passing.

It was ugly and Dak needs elite talent around him in the worst way.

Somehow people view this as a slight on Dak. He is definitley in the top half or third of the QBs in the league. But he needs more help than the guys in the top 5 - 7. If that is considered a slight. Than so be it. But that is what it is.

 

[cowboyec]

....and yet aaron rodgers still hasn't won a super bowl with a different head coach.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Another long drawn out thread I chose NOT to read.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Somehow people view this as a slight on Dak. He is definitley in the top half or third of the QBs in the league. But he needs more help than the guys in the top 5 - 7. If that is considered a slight. Than so be it. But that is what it is.

Do the guys in the top 5-7 have trophies with Jag WR? TB12 is one but he had a pretty damn good TE crew and a slot WR he liked......

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

That is a big problem we have. We dont invest into the QB position at all.

An to all those "pro Daks": No! Investment is not giving your QB a 160 mil contract. Investment means finding the right guy way before you need to pay him.

Just figure: the most important position in this sport but you dont invest nothing into it. How could you expect be successful ?

It was the same with Romo and it has been the same with Prescott. Just because we dont invest we got ourselfs into a position where we needed to pay a guy we all knew he wouldnt be able to get us to anything meaningful. Its just like you said: Too inconsistent.

Now someone can think about reasons why they are to inconstistent. For me the reason is: lack of talent. I played sports most of my life and what i learned is: You are consitent arond your talent level. If you have to play beyond your talent level you get inconsistent. Inconsitency is the primary way to judge if a player has the talent (or is ready) to be successfull on a certain kind of level.

We all appreciate Smiths success. Why ? He wasnt the greatest RB at his time. There were others like Barry Sanders. But what made him great was his consitent delivery. Same with Aikman or with other good players. To be consitent you have to have the talent to win against others by playing only 80% of your limit. If you need to play at 100% all the time you will make mistakes and so become inconsitstent.

Dont misunderstand me. I am not talking about willingness to give 100%. They all do. I am talking about ability. Thats why certain teams are able to up their game against stronger oponents or in the playoffs and others dont. Prescott for instance needs to play 100% to his ability to even be able to beat weak teams. There is nothing left to up when he has to play against better defenses.

I have said this 100 times. The playoffs represent the best coaches, players and schemes the NFL has to offer. McCarthy cannot do that for 4 games in a postseason run. And Dak cannot either. Neither are elite. So you need a well balanced coaching staff and roster to win with the players taking up the majority of the salary cap. I think Jerry and company thought McCarthy was the QB whisperer. I think Aaron has won MVPs and gone to conference title games since McCarthys departure. So much for the QB whisperer theory!

 

[Hennessy_King]

You can read?

 

[Jake]

Regardless of how dak plays this year drafting a QB is a necessity. If Dak has an incredible year and loses in the first round of the playoffs again. Draft a QB round 1.

If they have a decent year dont make the playoffs. Move up in the draft for a QB in round 1.

If they win the freaking SB. Draft a QB in rounds 2-3. And let him sit and learn.

Either way. Draft another QB.

It sounds easy on paper - just draft another QB. Get one in round one, a sure thing...only it's not. About half of them are busts.

I remember the trade up into round two for Quincy Carter, the failed attempt to trade up into round one for Paxton Lynch, and Jerry being angry when the rest of the room said "no" to Johnny Football. And yet, even if the Cowboys win the SB this year (I doubt that happens, for several reasons) you still want to draft a QB and move on?

That's basically admitting nothing Dak might possibly do would ever be good enough for you. Fair enough.

 

[Jake]

We all know Dak is a polarizing topic. Let's try to make our points without the name-calling, okay? See rule #8.

 

[blueblood70]

That is the directly contrary to the facts. He DIDN'T call the play. He delivered the ball on time & on target. Butler just knew to be there. I mean there have been whole specials where the Patriots talk about seeing that tendency & practicing it before the SB.

If we didn't "know" what happened it would be up for debate, but we know exactly what happened.

he lost i mean dak is not responsible for the refs actions on the final play in the playoff game year all the blame seems pointed at him and he didn't even make a mistake like that, Refs fault, slow , coach fault calls that play, yet daks loss ..dont be hypocrite. Like most Qbs its their win or loss alone around here.

not team loss lie it should be i mean daks didn't create 14 penaltiles but yet go look at the reaction blame dak for not overcoming it..

 

[McKDaddy]

he lost i mean dak is not responsible for the refs actions on the final play in the playoff game year all the blame seems pointed at him and he didn't even make a mistake like that, Refs fault, slow , coach fault calls that play, yet daks loss ..dont be hypocrite. Like most Qbs its their win or loss alone around here.

not team loss lie it should be i mean daks didn't create 14 penaltiles but yet go look at the reaction blame dak for not overcoming it..

Really? I get the feeling that most fans accept there was a lot of blame for everyone in our playoff game.

Even then though you don't have an apples to apples comparison. What happened over the course of an entire game is very different than assigning blame based on one play. If Dak had been the one to throw that pass would you be blaming him for the loss?

 

[Loso86]

I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.

Sure

 

[MarcusRock]

https://bestballstats.com/2021/08/25/finding-the-nfls-best-deep-passers/

U guys have no clue wth u are talking about. Dumb dumbs in here

So in response to my post talking about 40-50 yard bombs and not just 20 yard passes you give me a link to a study that states: "This data was filtered so that only passes of at least 20 air yards were kept."

The data also goes on to show that Dak is on the list of QBs that throw "deep" (again including 20 yarders) less often while Wilson is on a list of QBs that throw them more often.

But the kicker to this study is that Russell Wilson ranks #1 and Dak ranks #7, which is what the hell I was saying in the first place from the actual games and stuff. And this is on a study that includes 20 yarders which I was NOT considering. The study does give more points for longer throws which is why Wilson ranks number freakin' 1 as was my point from jump.

My point was that any stats that have Dak as a deep passer includes 20 yard passes and favor Dak when you stack up against Wilson's 40-50+ yard bombs, which most consider "throwing deep" vs. a 20-yard out pattern. So then your genius links me to stats that includes 20 yard passes.

Dumb dumbs you say? From your keyboard to God's mega monitor. Lol.

 

[Hennessy_King]

So in response to my post talking about 40-50 yard bombs and not just 20 yard passes you give me a link to a study that states: "This data was filtered so that only passes of at least 20 air yards were kept."

The data also goes on to show that Dak is on the list of QBs that throw "deep" (again including 20 yarders) less often while Wilson is on a list of QBs that throw them more often.

But the kicker to this study is that Russell Wilson ranks #1 and Dak ranks #7, which is what the hell I was saying in the first place from the actual games and stuff. And this is on a study that includes 20 yarders which I was NOT considering. The study does give more points for longer throws which is why Wilson ranks number freakin' 1 as was my point from jump.

My point was that any stats that have Dak as a deep passer includes 20 yard passes and favor Dak when you stack up against Wilson's 40-50+ yard bombs, which most consider "throwing deep" vs. a 20-yard out pattern. So then your genius links me to stats that includes 20 yard passes.

Dumb dumbs you say? From your keyboard to God's mega monitor. Lol.

I never said he was better than Wilson. But still ranks 7th and they give better grades for further passes. So your only 20 air yard throws argument is garbage. The only knock is he doesnt throw deep more often.

He also finished 7th in the NFL in average air yards per attempt at 8.0 wilson finished 3rd

 

[Streifenkarl]

So why post? Why watch and follow the team? Why such a lengthy rant that is based on pure speculation and hyperbole? Why do that to yourself for all to see? What is that going to solve? Why not be patient and wait and see how these decisions turn out this year and the next for this team? Lots of good decisions, drafts and moves have been made in recent years with this team and organization. Patience is a virtue.

Man I agree to all you have written in this post. Except for that last sentence. In the context of the length of our successlessness this is an utter joke lol. Sorry.

 

[zrinkill]

We all know Dak is a polarizing topic. Let's try to make our points without the name-calling, okay? See rule #8.

Is poopyhead ok? Cause I am really wanting to call someone a poopyhead.

 

[blueblood70]

Really? I get the feeling that most fans accept there was a lot of blame for everyone in our playoff game.

Even then though you don't have an apples to apples comparison. What happened over the course of an entire game is very different than assigning blame based on one play. If Dak had been the one to throw that pass would you be blaming him for the loss?

dang right i would

its very different, thats my point.. Russ had three choices,

• change the play
• run the ball himself
• throw to different target
• or if a TO is available, call it and talk it over with coach

Instead, he went with it made huge
mistake.

daks not responsible for the 9er game not much at all so many mistakes made his job tougher to overcome and we lost by 6 yet most of this pace say he didn't make enough kays always find way back around to dak, Romo etc.

 

[75boyz]

I have said this 100 times. The playoffs represent the best coaches, players and schemes the NFL has to offer. McCarthy cannot do that for 4 games in a postseason run. And Dak cannot either. Neither are elite. So you need a well balanced coaching staff and roster to win with the players taking up the majority of the salary cap. I think Jerry and company thought McCarthy was the QB whisperer. I think Aaron has won MVPs and gone to conference title games since McCarthys departure. So much for the QB whisperer theory!

Great post. THIS is the state of the team. The path to NFL success is a triangle of the 3 most important title holders being better than the 31 other title holders if for only one lucky year even.
GM, HC and QB1.

One or all of the above prevent Dallas from ever defeating 3 to 4 playoff level QBs, playoff level coaching staffs and playoff level defenses all in a row towards a title.

It ain't happening.

Take your pick on who's more to blame. They all play a role.

All the rest of the posts here while entertaining to read, still can't remove this truth.

Cowboys!