RELEASED Kellen Moore won't return

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The announcer saying it's 4 down territory is a jackass. It's 3rd down, you're on the 2 yard line, so you take the FG to go up 3 scores.
Garrett’s play calling was completely different from Moore’s, just like Linehan’s was. Coming from the same offensive philosophy, such as Coryell, doesn’t meant you call plays the same.

Anybody that says they were alike is pretty much a Dak zealot looking for excuses for their sucky QB.

Garrett when he was calling plays here was using the Houck blocking schemes, not the zone blocking schemes that were introduced by Callahan for example.
That's right. Kellen's version of the offense had more motions and college-style wrinkles, and schemes.. was definitely a hybrid offense with some basic similarities, but aren't exactly the same, per se.

Every team, every OC, is likely going to show some similarities. You can only reinvent the game so much at a time.
Had Dak made the right throws under pressure, this would have never happened. It's scapegoating Moore for not only Dak's shortcomings, but also blaming Moore for the fact that McCarthy wasn't involved enough on some of the details of the playbook.

That's because he took a macro management approach to coaching, and wasn't able to spread himself enough to work with Moore to tweak anything he didn't like.

You can't tell me there wasn't anything McCarthy could have added, as far as the details of game planning. He's just not proactive enough on certain details, like in-game coaching.. he's been too hands-off the game when it matters and never established the relationship to work with the team on that, which is completely on him, if you ask me. This shows McCarthy and Dak's weaknesses more than theirs, if you ask me.
 
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Garrett’s play calling was completely different from Moore’s, just like Linehan’s was. Coming from the same offensive philosophy, such as Coryell, doesn’t meant you call plays the same. They also started implementing more of Erhardt/Perkins when Callahan took over play calling which carried over with Linehan and to Moore, meaning they would hike the ball much sooner, which is why you’d see Dak at the line multiple times with at least 13 seconds to snap.

Anybody that says they were alike is pretty much a Dak zealot looking for excuses for their sucky QB.

Garrett when he was calling plays here was using the Houck blocking schemes, not the zone blocking schemes that were introduced by Callahan for example.
I'm glad you're in this thread.
Who would you hire as OC and why?
I respect your insights. Always have.
 

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I'm glad you're in this thread.
Who would you hire as OC and why?
I respect your insights. Always have.
To be honest, not sure. Outside the Cowboys, I generally just watch players I like. I mean now I’m pumped, because I just found out Lombardi got fired from San Diego, and Moore is potentially going to be their OC. And if that’s the case I’m more excited to see Moore calling plays with a phenom at QB in Justin Herbert.

The Chargers requested permission last week to speak with him and he obviously was the second candidate for the HC job in Carolina. Moore is much more respected than the Dak fans give credit for, but that’s because they need a scapegoat.

The potential of Moore in SD is exciting..
 

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The sad part about this is that the Joneses won't also recognize that they are not as talented as teams that go out and fix their deficiencies in free agency. They will stick with signing the James Washingtons of the NFL and blame the coaches when they can't get it done.
 

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Because of Dak the offense was top 5.

You can't watch Rush, Dalton or any other guy at QB for Dallas under Moore and think it was because Moore was solely responsible
Agreed.....not trying to take away what dak has done, but maybe put him in a more efficient system that would not allow for his weaknesses to be exposed against the better defenses in the league.
 

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Well when you lose to teams like Washington and Jacksonville, what does that say about our play calling.

Again, we won most games INSPITE of Moore, just because of talent alone. Moore goes to an average team, his offense won't produce more than 4 wins.
This has nothing to do with what I was saying, but okay. I'm not disagreeing with you and in no way suggesting Moore shouldn't have been let go. Just pointing out that I've heard a lot that other teams are saying they know what play is coming next. But apparently even though they know what's coming they can't stop it. It sounds dumb that's all I'm saying.
and just an FYI the eagles lost to washington also. Does that say anything about their play calling?
 

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Good call by Mike. Right or wrong for Kellen, the offense needs a fresh start after how they finished this season.
Agreed. The Dak/KM combo had to end. Good enough for regular season success, but the goal is the SB, right? Seen enough of this combination, and we can't get rid of Dak, so time for Moore to move on. Will It work? Who know? It could be a disaster, but we know what KM and Dak would net us.

so this is what I think of the Dak/KM time in Dallas:

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Does this mean no more Hulk package? McCarthy better get in the best shape of his life and drop 40lbs. He’s going to be very busy, there go those massages!
 

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Agreed. The Dak/KM combo had to end. Good enough for regular season success, but the goal is the SB, right? Seen enough of this combination, and we can't get rid of Dak, so time for Moore to move on. Will It work? Who know? It could be a disaster, but we know what KM and Dak would net us.

so this is what I think of the Dak/KM time in Dallas:

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Agreed, I think we saw as much as we were going to get out of that combo.
 

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Absolutely.

I guess we'll all have to wait and see. But this is likely a backwards move, or a lateral hire, more than likely. He wasn't perfect. But that comes down to this thing called being human. Nobody is perfect, but his strengths far outweighed his weaknesses.
Wasn't about not being perfect.

Well...this is the thing. I don't know exactly what Moore did. Did McCarthy give him full reign? I ask because why would you sit here and watch the guy just abandon the run time and time again to the point of even costing you wins?

Moore had to go because his playbook is outdated. He learned from Linehan and Garrett and it shows.
 

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In fact, by 2012 Garrett was trying to implement that 2 TE offense BB was using in New England, as opposed to more 3 WE sets. He had no clue what he was doing.

Claiming him and Moore were running the same offense, as I said, is just Dak zealots trying to excuse their garbage QB from all his stare down pick 6s.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/platform/amp/2012/3/29/2909948/dallas-cwoboys-jason-garrett-speaks-on-two-tight-end-sets
Haha now y'all want to say Moore was good. Lord have mercy.
 
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