Vic Fangio signs two week contract with Eagles for Super Bowl prep

[basel90]

jerry will eat more of his words about the Eagles FO . Not to mention he has no credibilty already for being the longest surving GM with no CCG appearance in 28 years. This is truly historic bad , and we are held hostage to this buffoon.
comparing the cowboys futility to the 49ers and then poking fun of the Rams and Eagles was a new low. 49ers have been to 2 super bowls i recall and beat the cowboys the last two years. The rams , with an owner who ownes 7 global sports franchises ( Rams , Arsenal Soccer Team ,England, NBA Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche , and many more ) and managed a new expansion team , has won 2 super bowls and been to 2 more since jerry sniffed his last 28 years ago.
The eagles have flourished during Jerry's tenure in the NFC lately. 1 super bowl win in 2017 and now another on the cusp and a young upcoming team with better drafts.
How can this man continue to live in his own cocoon of self banishment ..

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

And Gus did what exactly?

Yes, Quinn had to use smoke and mirrors that year with the talent he had on that defense. He had a top 10 2 years later with that team.

Not sure where you are getting 13th in 2022 from? they were 5th in points and 12th in yards this year while leading the NFL in turnovers for the 2nd straight year. They were 7th in points in 2021.

But go on...get on the bus Gus has done what exactly?

NOTHING>

Can't believe i have to argue that Dan Quinn is better than Gus Bradley on a COWBOYS message board. Clown world.

No one said Gus was better than Quinn. You’re making up talking points to fit your narrative. Quinn was given a top defense that he then continued to maintain, this in indisputable. Never did Vic Fangio receive a top 10 D, yet he created 10 seasons of them. This is also disputable.

Dan Quinn has not had a top 10 defense outside of Seattle. Defenses are ranked by yards, not points. Not sure why you’re so hung up on points. If Dallas opens the game by allowing a kick return TD, then Dak throws his patented interception on his own side of the field, defense holds and allows a field goal, Dallas is losing 0-10. In the way you look at defenses, Dan Quinn is failing the Dallas cowboys in this game. They gave up 10 points in under 3 minutes!

But in the real world where everyone else lives, defenses are ranked by yards allowed, because that’s what they can most control. Special teams returns, turnover returns, FIELD POSITION. Points allowed can be manipulated by many factors that have little to do with defensive performance.

Dan Quinn it still looking for his first top 10 defensive ranking after leaving Gus Bradley’s defense. He and Vic Fangio are not even close to the same level.

 

[LysleE]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Eagles front office once again outclassed, outworked, and outsmarted ours by signing Hurts to a big contract and still finding ways to keep a stacked/loaded Eagles team around him. So many Cowboys fans are willing to let Stephen and Jerry Jones off of the hook, by declaring how Dak's contract is the reasoning for them not being able to sign high caliber and the upper echelon of free agency players.

So one thing I'll be keeping an eye on if the Eagles sign Hurts to 50 million is whether or not Howie still tries to work around Hurts contract to sign high caliber free agency players to the Eagles. Because whether or not some agree about Dak being the guy, one of the main issues still will remain is the incompetent way in which the Joneses run and operate this franchise. With each big and aggressive move the Eagles front office makes, it always exposes ours and how poor their excuses are for not being willing to do certain things or change their ways in order to break the Super Bowl drought.

Great post…right on-point!

 

[Ken]

No one said Gus was better than Quinn. You’re making up talking points to fit your narrative. Quinn was given a top defense that he then continued to maintain, this in indisputable. Never did Vic Fangio receive a top 10 D, yet he created 10 seasons of them. This is also disputable.

Dan Quinn has not had a top 10 defense outside of Seattle. Defenses are ranked by yards, not points. Not sure why you’re so hung up on points. If Dallas opens the game by allowing a kick return TD, then Dak throws his patented interception on his own side of the field, defense holds and allows a field goal, Dallas is losing 0-10. In the way you look at defenses, Dan Quinn is failing the Dallas cowboys in this game. They gave up 10 points in under 3 minutes!

But in the real world where everyone else lives, defenses are ranked by yards allowed, because that’s what they can most control. Special teams returns, turnover returns, FIELD POSITION. Points allowed can be manipulated by many factors that have little to do with defensive performance.

Dan Quinn it still looking for his first top 10 defensive ranking after leaving Gus Bradley’s defense. He and Vic Fangio are not even close to the same level.

Wow. So much to unpack here.

So somehow....if a team gives up less yards but lets people score all the time, they are a great defense? lol

I use both of those metrics to rate a defense because as you outlined for your case against Points...the same case can be made against yards. Kind of like if you can't stop the run and no one passes vs you, you will rank higher in yards.

This isn't a hard concept.

#1 in the league in turnovers 2 years in a row.....that is just the cherry on top. Quinn has done it 3 times....Bradley has never done it. Keep pimping Bradley while crapping on Quinn...clown world.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Wow. So much to unpack here.

So somehow....if a team gives up less yards but lets people score all the time, they are a great defense? lol

I use both of those metrics to rate a defense because as you outlined for your case against Points...the same case can be made against yards. Kind of like if you can't stop the run and no one passes vs you, you will rank higher in yards.

This isn't a hard concept.

#1 in the league in turnovers 2 years in a row.....that is just the cherry on top. Quinn has done it 3 times....Bradley has never done it. Keep pimping Bradley while crapping on Quinn...clown world.

Again, never said Bradley was better than Quinn. You can’t win the real argument, so you have to make up your own.

If a team is allowing fewer yards but getting blown out, then yet something else is going on there. Returns, special teams, field position. Their offense can’t hold on to the football. Things out of the DC’s control. Official defensive ranking is based on what the DC can control: yards allowed.

 

[Ken]

Great post…right on-point!

Lord.

Ya, really great post stating the obvious.

As I was explaining to my eagle fan buddy yesterday, they will give him 50 + million and it will never hamper them from anything as long as he 1) doesn't get a career-ending injury or 2) turn into Carson Wentz.

They will keep kicking the can down the road and that isn't the issue that will keep them from stacking the team. It will be throwing big bucks at Gardner's Johnson, Hargrave, etc.

 

[Ken]

Again, never said Bradley was better than Quinn. You can’t win the real argument, so you have to make up your own.

If a team is allowing fewer yards but getting blown out, then yet something else is going on there. Returns, special teams, field position. Their offense can’t hold on to the football. Things out of the DC’s control. Official defensive ranking is based on what the DC can control: yards allowed.

You Said....

"Seattle won a SB with a dominant rushing attack and Quinn with *Gus Bradley’s dominant defense. Fangio has never been handed a defense that was #1 in scoring the year prior. Quinn was given the best defense in the world and didn’t royally screw it up. “Above that criticism.”"

Bradley finished his best ranking season in Yardage (since that is most important to you) #4 in the league....Quinn took that Defense to #1 both seasons he ran it. He didn't just maintain it, he improved it and won the super bowl with it.

Again....very strange to crap on Dan Quinn to prop up a couple of demonstrated losers.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You Said....

"Seattle won a SB with a dominant rushing attack and Quinn with *Gus Bradley’s dominant defense. Fangio has never been handed a defense that was #1 in scoring the year prior. Quinn was given the best defense in the world and didn’t royally screw it up. “Above that criticism.”"

Bradley finished his best ranking season in Yardage (since that is most important to you) #4 in the league....Quinn took that Defense to #1 both seasons he ran it. He didn't just maintain it, he improved it and won the super bowl with it.

Again....very strange to crap on Dan Quinn to prop up a couple of demonstrated losers.

Yes, he was handed Bradley’s D and didn’t muddle it up. How many times was Fangio handed someone else’s top 5 D? Never

And Bradley by the way has been top 10 4 times since

 

[Ken]

Yes, he was handed Bradley’s D and didn’t muddle it up. How many times was Fangio handed someone else’s top 5 D? Never

You are really arguing this point? lol

Fangio has never had a #1 defense either. Handed to him or not.

He was #1 in point in 2018 but apparently that isn't important lol

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You are really arguing this point? lol

Fangio has never had a #1 defense either. Handed to him or not.

He was #1 in point in 2018 but apparently that isn't important lol

Maybe if someone can gift him a top defense, where his predecessor had already drafted Sherman and Warner and Chancellor and Earl Thomas, he would have one himself. But people only hire Fangio to be top 10 with previously bad defenses, that’s more his forté.

10 times

 

[Ken]

Maybe if someone can gift him a top defense, where his predecessor had already drafted Sherman and Warner and Chancellor and Earl Thomas, he would have one himself. But people only hire Fangio to be top 10 with previously bad defenses, that’s more his forté.

10 times

Again...you need to expand your analysis of what a great DC is. Yardage is one of the measures of how good a defense is. To me, Points is most important, followed by yardage and then Sacks/Takeaways.

When i look at Gus Bradley's defenses, he has been good with yardage and has struggled in turnovers or stopping the run in those "top 10" seasons.

Dan was handed a trash heap here in Dallas and led the league in takeaways 2 years in a row. Top 5 or so in sacks and top 10 in points. You are getting stuck on yardage...

 

[StarOfGlory]

Oh no doubt about it. Banged up Mahomes and no Hardman. They will shut them down and it will be over by the 3rd

I think Homey is much better than what they are letting on. I do have a feeling that Reid isn’t going to have the backup tight end blocking Reddick.

 

[nightrain]

Spoken by someone who has NO idea what they are talking about. Fangio knows the KC offense and has prepped for it more than any other coach out there. This can do nothign but help.

LOL! Did you even read the article? Apparently it is you that has no idea what they are talking about. Why don't you read the blurb on what Fangio's role is
again and then report back as to where they mention anything about KC's offense.

LOL just stop it
Fangio is probably too 3 among DCs right now
He’s a huge asset

A huge asset to whom? Did you fail to read the article as well?

 

[Captain-Crash]

It’s worth coming here just for Ken…Lol

If you think he's fun, wait until you see this AC guy. lol

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Again...you need to expand your analysis of what a great DC is. Yardage is one of the measures of how good a defense is. To me, Points is most important, followed by yardage and then Sacks/Takeaways.

When i look at Gus Bradley's defenses, he has been good with yardage and has struggled in turnovers or stopping the run in those "top 10" seasons.

Dan was handed a trash heap here in Dallas and led the league in takeaways 2 years in a row. Top 5 or so in sacks and top 10 in points. You are getting stuck on yardage...

And your whole point about Fangio not being good was stuck on a single stat. Don’t you remember where this started? I don’t value a DC solely on yardage, nor do I think Dan isn’t a good Dc. I was simply responding to your post simplifying everything to “Look at all of the top 10 defense in scoring in the last decade lol.,....not.”

Which was categorically false and easy to prove. 2012 SF. 2013 SF. 2014 SF. 2017 Chi. 2018 Chi

Now if that post was a mistake then that’s fine, everyone make them. But if you want to get all hot and bothered by people categorizing DC’s by a singular stat, then why are you doing it?

Points being most important is ridiculous though. Dan should be blamed for Dak’s pick 6’s? Why?

 

[john van brocklin]

I have to confess to being jealous of the Eagles making such a smart outside the box move.

 

[Jimbo123]

You said the last time we faced a QB as good as Mahomes was Dak. Unless you think Dak is as good as Mahomes then that’s not true

Danny Dines is better than Dak Did you see what they did to him?

 

[khiladi]

QB play is the most important position in football. Hurts is average and Dak sucks and we know the NFC QB play was pretty much garbage this year.

Mahomes is a beast.

 

[CWR]

No one said Gus was better than Quinn. You’re making up talking points to fit your narrative. Quinn was given a top defense that he then continued to maintain, this in indisputable. Never did Vic Fangio receive a top 10 D, yet he created 10 seasons of them. This is also disputable.

Dan Quinn has not had a top 10 defense outside of Seattle. Defenses are ranked by yards, not points. Not sure why you’re so hung up on points. If Dallas opens the game by allowing a kick return TD, then Dak throws his patented interception on his own side of the field, defense holds and allows a field goal, Dallas is losing 0-10. In the way you look at defenses, Dan Quinn is failing the Dallas cowboys in this game. They gave up 10 points in under 3 minutes!

But in the real world where everyone else lives, defenses are ranked by yards allowed, because that’s what they can most control. Special teams returns, turnover returns, FIELD POSITION. Points allowed can be manipulated by many factors that have little to do with defensive performance.

Dan Quinn it still looking for his first top 10 defensive ranking after leaving Gus Bradley’s defense. He and Vic Fangio are not even close to the same level.

Fair point, but only to an extent because we all know that does not account for redzone defense, which is arguably as important as any aspect of defense. Preventing touchdowns is paramount, and yards doesn't take that into account.

 

[visionary]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Eagles front office once again outclassed, outworked, and outsmarted ours by signing Hurts to a big contract and still finding ways to keep a stacked/loaded Eagles team around him. So many Cowboys fans are willing to let Stephen and Jerry Jones off of the hook, by declaring how Dak's contract is the reasoning for them not being able to sign high caliber and the upper echelon of free agency players.

So one thing I'll be keeping an eye on if the Eagles sign Hurts to 50 million is whether or not Howie still tries to work around Hurts contract to sign high caliber free agency players to the Eagles. Because whether or not some agree about Dak being the guy, one of the main issues still will remain is the incompetent way in which the Joneses run and operate this franchise. With each big and aggressive move the Eagles front office makes, it always exposes ours and how poor their excuses are for not being willing to do certain things or change their ways in order to break the Super Bowl drought.

You can bet Hurts won’t have 2 things: a no trade clause and a 3 year cap killing deal