News: Judge Orders Hotel to Give Michael Irvin Video Footage and Accuser Name in Alleged Misconduct Case

[VaqueroTD]

Overreaction? I have not seen indecent act or pervert used in this at all. I am not sure the hotel overreacted at all because I don't know what transpired. One thing I do know is that major corporations and this kind of thing, they are all going to "overreact" to err on the side of caution and cover their butts. I would be shocked if The Marriott Group didn't have specific language in their Employee Manual regarding exactly what took place.

This could be falling dominoes with the hotel and NFLN covering their butts once the accusation was made.

Has he lost any pay because of this? The NFLN has not suspended him to my knowledge, just got him out of a situation that was not going to end well if he stayed on the air in AZ. And the NFLN may have reacted more to his defense for not remembering than anything else.

Policy may be solid, but people run it and make the decisions and I’m sure there are a lot of dumb, inexperienced managers in the hotel world working the night shift. The fact that they kicked him out so fast with no police involvement is what looks suspicious. This still looks like a ‘Karen’ response to me. We’ll see….

 

[Flamma]

Coach - how does she prove he said anything? Unless she had a recorder in her purse, it is she said vs. he said.

She doesn't have to. She's not suing anyone. Irvin was butthurt and embarrassed, but he's about to get a reality check. His lawsuit is basically suing the hotel for moving him. What the NFLN does as a result is out of their control. His beef is with the NFLN. He's not winning this unless he can prove malice by the hotel. She doesn't have to prove anything.

 

[Pass2Run]

There is NO EVIDENCE that you or I have been made aware of because the only party we've heard from is Irvin and he can't remember.

And it has everything to do with him being an ex Cowboy or we would not be discussing it here.

Is the ultimate humor of this lost on us? The man can't remember what he said and files an 100M lawsuit against her and the hotel group. What's his point? "I can't remember what I said but I didn't say that"?

I do not know what was said and we may never know, this doesn't have to be made public but I do know what was said by Irvin when he got back to Dallas and good luck to his lawyer with that in front of a judge or jury. "I can't remember, I had some drinks, to tell the truth. Oh, hey, I am not drinking now and I remember".

Since the judge ordered it, should be public. At least accessible to the public.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Oh, then just call it N since it's not the NFL, Einstein.

Mr. Einstein chap

 

[KingCorcoran]

Civil is his only recourse but he's going to have to prove what she told them is false and I don't know how he does that after saying he doesn't remember. That's the issue here, it either looks like he's lying about remembering and if he's not, how does he prove he didn't say what she said he said? Textbook he said/she said only he can't back up his side of it after what he told the media, which will be used against him should this take the next steps.

I get his suing her and the hotel but I really think his employer reacting that fast and sending him home and taking him off the biggest week had to be embarrassing and an ego bruiser. To the outside world, it looks like NFLN believed her and the hotel when in fact they might just be protecting themselves.

As long as NFLN lives up to their contact with him they can believe whatever they want to believe. Making the Network’s reputation paramount is prudent. They employ a lot of people who did not have any role in creating this situation.

 

[Rayman70]

She saw a windfall 2 shake him down. I wanna know who put her up to it? Was it the networks? The league itself? Something seems off here. This was 0 more than 2 tarnish him and the Jones family. This will backfire.

 

[Rayman70]

As long as NFLN lives up to their contact with him they can believe whatever they want to believe. Making the Network’s reputation paramount is prudent. They employ a lot of people who did not have any role in creating this situation.

u work for them? U believe that 100%? They just fuct their own reputation. I reside in reality, and I have learned in my 52 years that NOTHING is as simple as that. The truth lies somewhere in between. They are about to take their "beliefs" and have them shoved down their throats, forced to eat them. Michael will force them to apologize when this is all over or they face endless lawsuits. It behooves them 2 make this right quicky. ESPN better buckle up also.

 

[Ekspozed]

Mike's a former player that works for a network with its own set of discipline rules I'd imagine. Not sure why this is being brought up as some sort of similar situation.

Zekes suspension vs the kickers.

 

[LittleD]

Coach - how does she prove he said anything? Unless she had a recorder in her purse, it is she said vs. he said.

Surely his past will factor in with the Network. I'm skeptical the hotel got the video to the NFLN so quickly. I suspect their attorneys would wish to hold on to them until discovery is demanded. I wonder since the NFLN is owned by the NFL, how much influence Goodell has in this?

I think Patrice O'Neal's stand-up Elephant in the Room has a section where he talks about how inappropriate women can be without any problems.

I despise this for Michael.

No it's not. He has 3 witnesses and video plus camera shots that more than prove his case. Marriott, the hotel manager and the waitress will pay hefty.

 

[MarcusRock]

Zekes suspension vs the kickers.

Neither have anything to do with this.

 

[MarcusRock]

She saw a windfall 2 shake him down. I wanna know who put her up to it? Was it the networks? The league itself? Something seems off here. This was 0 more than 2 tarnish him and the Jones family. This will backfire.

So now Jerry Jones was an alternate target? Lawd! Lol.

 

[CouchCoach]

Since the judge ordered it, should be public. At least accessible to the public.

Not the public, this is a private civil matter.

 

[Rayman70]

So now Jerry Jones was an alternate target? Lawd! Lol.

Im just sayin, somebody is lyin.

 

[CouchCoach]

No it's not. He has 3 witnesses and video plus camera shots that more than prove his case. Marriott, the hotel manager and the waitress will pay hefty.

As far as we know, there are no witnesses to what was said, which this seems to be all about.

 

[CouchCoach]

As far as he said/she said, this is she said/he said he can't remember and the judge or jury is going to be honed in on that statement. I think in his effort to state his case in the court of public opinion, Irvin has hurt himself in civil court.

And at the root of this is what is her motive for fabricating this? What can or does she hope to gain? Her action has resulted in a lawsuit against her and her employer.

 

[CouchCoach]

Im just sayin, somebody is lyin.

Maybe he really can't remember what he said to her? I doubt it but I don't know what state he was in at the time.

 

[CouchCoach]

She saw a windfall 2 shake him down. I wanna know who put her up to it? Was it the networks? The league itself? Something seems off here. This was 0 more than 2 tarnish him and the Jones family. This will backfire.

She has done nothing but report this to her employer, she did not file the suit and so far, there is no apparent motive for her to fabricate this story.

Rayman, do you think the network would try and set up their own employee? Think the NFL even cares about Irvin? And the Jones family has nothing to do with this.

 

[CouchCoach]

As long as NFLN lives up to their contact with him they can believe whatever they want to believe. Making the Network’s reputation paramount is prudent. They employ a lot of people who did not have any role in creating this situation.

We don't know what they believe but their reputation is of the utmost importance so they will err on the side of caution.

At this time, we don't know if they've done anything other than remove him from a potential media circus that would take away some of the coverage of their biggest week. These claims about lost money are unfounded. He wasn't fired or suspended without pay.

 

[LittleD]

As far as we know, there are no witnesses to what was said, which this seems to be all about.

You are right...Unless she was recording on her phone in secret, no one will ever know. Obviously, no crime was committed. If a handshake was all that
physically occurred, the hotel will be in hot water.

 

[CouchCoach]

I would agree with you, but we're talking literal millions in damages all from a he said / she said...so the burden of proof should be on the accuser, not the accused. I rarely drink and I rarely remember every small interaction I have with everyone. I think him not remembering isn't as big of a deal. How many people does he meet a day? I think with eyewitnesses claiming nothing happened and she didn't act upset that unless the video shows something, she and the hotel should be responsible for damages. I get why the hotel acted like it did to protect its employee, but it could have done other stuff instead.

I am not saying he's innocent. I'm not saying he did nothing. I'm merely saying that if you accuse someone of something that will cause such damage both financially and publicly, you'd better have proof or there should be consequences.

There is no proof that he has been harmed monetarily and it doesn't look like she or the hotel made this public. It went public when the NFLN sent him home and then he talked to the media. But he hasn't lost anything that I can see except some time on the network.

It's a she said/he said he can't remember and that will not serve him well in this.

And we know nothing about this woman and the hotel group and NFLN have been silent.

Not knowing what he did say, I don't know how the hotel should have responded but this is a major hotel chain and you can bet they have protocols in place for their employees just by the nature of their business employing so many women and having a heavy % male clientele. This is not their first time dealing with something like this.

And I have yet to see this banned from all properties for real and so far, I have yet to see where they proposed "moving" him. I do not know if he was even kicked out of that hotel.

There was only one party talking until the lawyer got involved so we have little to no information.

Does anyone here think Irvin's comment about not being able to remember because he had a few drinks was lost on the NFLN? That alone might be their reason for removing him from coverage as that is hardly a solid defense.

And let's be real, what % of their audience really cares he was not there? He's the most outlandish homer in the history of sports broadcasting and that might be cool with some Cowboys fans but I could see a lot of happy people that he was not on the coverage.

This is only a thing to us.