News: PFT: Marriott: NFL interviewed employee, reviewed video in Michael Irvin case

[CouchCoach]

except there is no way that Marriott will be able to wash their hands in all of this... they will be included in this lawsuit.

Yep, they're in it but the NFL will only be if Irvin thinks it's all over with them anyway. he and his lawyer have walked the fine line keeping them out of this.

 

[Reid1boys]

did anyone read this new one link above ?? lol
it has it detailed fairly good.
the nfl person sent out saw the video, talked to woman and that led to irvin being moved and taken off nfl network.
So there must be something there. If not why would he be taken off nfl network?
Him being moved could have been a request by hotel.

Later espn I guess just heard about this and took him off their network.
This will take weeks or months to sort out, and we may never see that video.

oh you are going to see that video, because Mike's attorney's are going to release it. There must be something to it????? You do understand the climate we live in, yes? Companies want zero issues, zero negativity surrounding them. They are an act now ask questions later type of business when it comes to protecting their name.

 

[Ranching]

So, the NFL pulls Irvin for a lewd comment, which I agree with, if he did it. But, they won't pull players for much worse? They are all employees and represent the NFL......

 

[Reid1boys]

Nice try but no cigar. The race card was played for effect and most likely orchestrated by his lawyer.

I didnt comment on WHY they did it, I said the comparisons are ok and accurate.... except for the killing part, which he didnt mention.

 

[Jake]

cmon.... get it straight,... she didnt even show up until the next day. She had nothing to do with Irvin getting booted from the hotel. My guess it was what the woman said more than the video that got her to bring in others.

That's not Marriott's contention. From the article in the OP:

Marriott contends in its motion that, the day after the incident, the NFL “sent its investigator to the Hotel and asked if the Victim was willing to speak with her.” The unnamed Marriott employee agreed to the interview, repeating her version of the interaction with Irvin.

“The NFL investigator then asked to review the video and the Hotel allowed her to do so,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Following her review of the video, the NFL investigator escalated the matter and additional NFL personnel quickly arrived at the Hotel.”

Marriott’s lawyers contend that, from this point forward, the NFL took over the situation, culminating in Irvin being removed from the hotel.

 

[Reid1boys]

So, the NFL pulls Irvin for a lewd comment, which I agree with, if he did it. But, they won't pull players for much worse? They are all employees and represent the NFL......

but teams want to win so will put up with stuff (Thank God) tv shows dont need to as any of those guys can be replaced.

Would be hilarious to see Patrick Mahomes do exactly what Irvin did. The Chiefs would release a statement saying the views and opinions of Mr. Mahomes are those of his own and do not reflect the views and opinions of the KC Chiefs......oh, and we are extending Mahomes for another 5 years.

 

[Reid1boys]

That's not Marriott's contention. From the article in the OP:

Marriott contends in its motion that, the day after the incident, the NFL “sent its investigator to the Hotel and asked if the Victim was willing to speak with her.” The unnamed Marriott employee agreed to the interview, repeating her version of the interaction with Irvin.

“The NFL investigator then asked to review the video and the Hotel allowed her to do so,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Following her review of the video, the NFL investigator escalated the matter and additional NFL personnel quickly arrived at the Hotel.”

Marriott’s lawyers contend that, from this point forward, the NFL took over the situation, culminating in Irvin being removed from the hotel.

Unless I have read incorrectly, Irvin was WOKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT and asked to leave the hotel. Nothing in what you just posted refutes that. The investigator showed up the next day... Irvin was long gone already.

 

[Rayman70]

This is a sham and a smear. Let the truth prevail.

 

[Creeper]

Just a reminder, the NFL does not need evidence or proof to act against an employee or agent of the NFL. The NFL can act on optics alone. Also, I am not sure what Irvin's connection is to the legal entity the NFL. Is he an employee? ESPN has a contract with the NFL to televise their games but I don't think that contract gives the NFL the authority to determine what ESPN can say about the NFL or who ESPN can hire as far as covering the NFL is concerned. ESPN removing Irvin from the telecasts was all on ESPN.

One note of interest from the article. Marriott allowed the NFL investigators to review the video recordings of the incident, but would not give those videos to Irvin's lawyers until they were compelled by the court.

My questions are, did the NFL talk to Irvin to get his side of the story? Did they tell Irvin what they saw on the videos? Did the NFL request or demand the NFL remove Irvin from the ESPN telecasts? Did the NFL instruct or request Marriott not to give the videos to Irvin's attorney?

Despite all the noise surrounding this case it still boils down to a simple she said - he said case. There is the woman who complained. And Irvin. There are witnesses to the interaction but they did not actual hear the conversation between Irvin and the woman.

IMO, based on what the woman complains Irvin did and said is that she is overreacting. The Marriott overreacted. The NFL acted without a thorough investigation, and so did ESPN. But in case you have not been paying attention this is how it works when it comes to these cases now. You are guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Rayman70]

Just a reminder, the NFL does not need evidence or proof to act against an employee or agent of the NFL. The NFL can act on optics alone. Also, I am not sure what Irvin's connection is to the legal entity the NFL. Is he an employee? ESPN has a contract with the NFL to televise their games but I don't think that contract gives the NFL the authority to determine what ESPN can say about the NFL or who ESPN can hire as far as covering the NFL is concerned. ESPN removing Irvin from the telecasts was all on ESPN.

One note of interest from the article. Marriott allowed the NFL investigators to review the video recordings of the incident, but would not give those videos to Irvin's lawyers until they were compelled by the court.

My questions are, did the NFL talk to Irvin to get his side of the story? Did they tell Irvin what they saw on the videos? Did the NFL request or demand the NFL remove Irvin from the ESPN telecasts? Did the NFL instruct or request Marriott not to give the videos to Irvin's attorney?

Despite all the noise surrounding this case it still boils down to a simple she said - he said case. There is the woman who complained. And Irvin. There are witnesses to the interaction but they did not actual hear the conversation between Irvin and the woman.

IMO, based on what the woman complains Irvin did and said is that she is overreacting. The Marriott overreacted. The NFL acted without a thorough investigation, and so did ESPN. But in case you have not been paying attention this is how it works when it comes to these cases now. You are guilty until proven innocent.

The ****'s/Gestapo used the same tactics. Legality mattered not. This is what occurs when an entity gains a vast amount of unfettered power. Who then, can challenge such an entity if they wield such power? The lines then are blurred. Food for thought.

 

[Creeper]

The ****'s/Gestapo used the same tactics. Legality mattered not. This is what occurs when an entity gains a vast amount of unfettered power. Who then, can challenge such an entity if they wield such power? The lines then are blurred. Food for thought.

Speaking of only the NFL, I think the Zeke suspension is evidence the NFL acts without rules or guidelines. Who gave Goodell this power? The owners.

 

[Rayman70]

Speaking of only the NFL, I think the Zeke suspension is evidence the NFL acts without rules or guidelines. Who gave Goodell this power? The owners.

and they grant it every time, in fact, they give him more and more.

 

[Proximo]

I haven’t been able to keep up with this story and I know there’s been several very long threads on it.

Can someone who has been keeping up with this do me a solid and post a cliff notes version for folks like me?

Also do we actually know what exactly Irvin is being accused of at this point?

 

[MarcusRock]

Unless I have read incorrectly, Irvin was WOKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT and asked to leave the hotel. Nothing in what you just posted refutes that. The investigator showed up the next day... Irvin was long gone already.

You're reading incorrectly. "Woke up in the middle of the night" was Irvin's version. Marriott's version is after they reviewed statements and video, they wanted Irvin out of the hotel but did nothing until the NFL investigated and watched the video and then left the NFL to tell Irvin their desires. So the NFL sent more people who went to Irvin, had him pack his bags and they exited the hotel at around 10pm Monday night after Marriott and the NFL had done their reviews. So they say Irvin was there until after the NFL's investigator did her thing and then called for backup.

 

[CouchCoach]

Unless I have read incorrectly, Irvin was WOKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT and asked to leave the hotel. Nothing in what you just posted refutes that. The investigator showed up the next day... Irvin was long gone already.

The story we are hearing now is different from the first one we heard.

The first one, it was all on the hotel to move Irvin and now we are seeing that the investigator from the NFL shows up, conducts an interview with the woman, watches the video and quickly summons other NFL personnel to escort Irvin out of the hotel. Quickly is Marriot's word and well placed, I might add.

So, which instigated the removal of Irvin, Marriott or the NFL?

The only thing that seems to have remained the same from the very beginning of this is Irvin does not remember what transpired between himself and the woman and neither he or his lawyer have expanded on that.

So, this all still comes down to who the jury believes. The woman or Irvin, who cannot say what did happen. He certainly didn't defend himself in that press conference, except to try and paint himself as the victim, or in that radio call in.

We have now heard some specifics of what they are saying he said and absolutely no rebuttal to that....yet. This crazy thing is like an onion with so many layers and it will not surprise me if his lawyer announces a miracle memory recall.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Nice try but no cigar. The race card was played for effect and most likely orchestrated by his lawyer.

Right, I didn’t expect Irvin to pull that crap, she’s usually level headed about race discussions and didn’t pull the victim card….even though he might be a victim of lies here, it’s not because of race.

 

[MarcusRock]

I haven’t been able to keep up with this story and I know there’s been several very long threads on it.

Can someone who has been keeping up with this do me a solid and post a cliff notes version for folks like me?

Also do we actually know what exactly Irvin is being accused of at this point?

Sorry, you'll have to read all the threads. It'll help if you have a case of insomnia as you go at it. Lol.

As for your last question, check out this link and then go to Page 3 of that embedded PDF. That is what Marriott accuses Irvin of.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/michael-irvin-super-bowl-misconduct-allegation

 

[sacase]

That's not Marriott's contention. From the article in the OP:

Marriott contends in its motion that, the day after the incident, the NFL “sent its investigator to the Hotel and asked if the Victim was willing to speak with her.” The unnamed Marriott employee agreed to the interview, repeating her version of the interaction with Irvin.

“The NFL investigator then asked to review the video and the Hotel allowed her to do so,” Marriott’s lawyers wrote. “Following her review of the video, the NFL investigator escalated the matter and additional NFL personnel quickly arrived at the Hotel.”

Marriott’s lawyers contend that, from this point forward, the NFL took over the situation, culminating in Irvin being removed from the hotel.

This don't even make sense. Irvin said Specifically that he was woken up very early in the morning right after the alleged event happened. Plus he declined the drink and only had water at the hotel because he had to work the next day. Irvin was not in the air Monday at all. So this version could not have happened as Marriott claims.

Marriott is trying to weasel their way out of this. Hilton might be the new partner of the NFL soon. Marriott trying to throw the NFL under the bus is not a good partner. Marriott is being very messy with this case.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's a good strategy, but the problem is that they still started this process by proactively contacting the NFL and informing them of it, so they are on the hook unless/until it is ruled that what she is claiming is true.

At this point, Marriott needs Irvin to be guilty to avoid being part of a trial or settlement in this case.

It’s difficult proving guilt. Guilt of what ? Inappropriate behavior is a vague description. Companies have to rule all the time on inappropriate behavior which isn’t illegal only breaching company policies.

Everyone can interpret inappropriate behavior differently based on their own experiences , history and sensitivity.

Marriott was reacting to their employees complaint which doesn’t necessarily translate to any legal guilt with Irvin. And if the NFL Network doesn’t bench Irvin then this might not have even become public .

And not sure if Marriott would hold any liability for simply moving him to another hotel instead of kicking him to the curb. It’s becoming more apparent Irvin’s beef is ultimately going to reside with the NFL whose Personal Conduct Policy may apply .

In the end the NFL Network is a body of the NFL and public perception in the broadcasting segment is paramount. If they felt with Irvin’s history this incident regardless how serious was a potential distraction to their SB coverage they would certainly appear to hold the authority to suspend his services.

Irvin’s case appears to be weak IMO , only a reactionary attempt to save his image, and if he pursues his lawsuit against the NFLN we will probably never see him on major Sports Networks again.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep, they're in it but the NFL will only be if Irvin thinks it's all over with them anyway. he and his lawyer have walked the fine line keeping them out of this.

And ultimately this will probably reside with the NFLN. Which will end Irvin’s broadcasting career on major networks. If that’s the case then Irvin will probably continue his lawsuits.

If Irvin truly hopes to be on the air again with a network he’d look to drop the case in hopes the NFLN reinstates him. Apologize for whatever inappropriate behavior he doesn’t recall conducting and any distraction these incidents brought the NFL.

If not he’ll go down as sour grapes in desperation for losing his job looking to salvage whatever possible damage . And if lucky there might be a settlement of some kind.

Regardless , if he continues these lawsuits we’ll never see him on a major sports network again. Maybe Jethro will hire him on Cowboys Silver Star Network.