CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

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If the coach sucks, then absolutely, he should get fired. I bet Kurt Warner or Mike Martz could coach up Dak better than what the Cowboys currently have.
Right, few years ago it was - if only Dak had more weapons. Today it's if only Dak had Coach "add your spruce goose here." Once he craps the bed this year it will be back to claiming that if only he had x, y and z in a certain order but never on a sunday.
 

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It doesn't matter what Prescott does in the regular season. He could be the MVP. It doesn't matter. The only games that Prescott will be judged on are in January.

If Dallas loses in the playoffs because the offense couldn't score. Dallas will be looking for a new QB.

That's it in a nutshell.
If you don't do it in the regular season there won't be any playoffs to judge. They ALL matter.
 

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Well on the other side of the coin when we lose snd he doesn’t play well then the excuses are that he’s not surrounded by enough weapons, the Oline was hurt, the WRs ran wrong routes etc. It’s the same for all extremes here. People just need to admit that this all equals “inconsistency” He can follow a great game with a stink bomb quite often these days. I agree with this Bruschi quote. I want to see the Dak that’s tearing up Ds deep into seasons. As I’ve always said I’m in the middle…praise when good, call out when bad. I hope MM can use him better…I want to see him outside the pocket. That’s where I think he kills teams

I agree with the statement in bold. I think Dak has always been effective outside the pocket, he throws well on the run. But Jason Garrett and JG Jr. Kellen Moore fought hard to keep him in the pocket regardless of the pressure. Like you, I'd like to see MM use him better.
 

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I said this over and over last year, and many twisted it into an anti-Dak thread or a pro-Dak thread. This is neither of these. This is just breaking down the facts of team-building and the real-world chance of 1 in 32 that Dak could QB a team to a championship. As we've seen before, when his line is not blocking, when he gets rattled, when his primary WR gets stymied and his number 1 RB injured, he can't put the team on his shoulder and get it done. Or maybe he can, but we haven't seen it in the games he's played thus far, but still has it in him. Who knows? We could debate that all day....

What I'm almost certain of is that he's good enough to drive the bus if the right pieces are in place. I think he can get you there, and then some. I think he could dominate with the right guys around him, which is why I'd be hesitant to not bring in D-Hop. When an opportunity like that presents itself, I think you go and get it.

I don't even think Gallup would be mad about that, although saying to bring in Hopkins is not a bash on Gallup. I don't care what people say about last year. The dude is still a baller. And part of me knows that just Gallup, Cooks, and Lamb is a load for any team to handle, especially if they have to deal with a Tony Pollard or a Deuce Vaughn and our TE four horsemen, or whatever they end up being, but I have a feeling people will soon fear our guys. Lunda Wells is one of the best under-the-radar coaches and just doesn't get enough credit, in my humble opinion.

I can't wait to see what training camp brings. We brought in quite a bit of weaponry and you know Dallas is hosting an open competition at WR, at least I'd say. So I'm looking out for guys like Durden, Brooks, and my boy Cropper. I'm also excited to see some guys back from last year or whatever. I think pound for pound, the 2023 UDFA class is just better, and there are some ballers in that group.

Of those guys, plus our draft picks, Dallas has a chance to really construct a dynamic offense and defense. I expect the overall competition in the NFL to be up overall, too, because people are out more, football is getting bigger again, and there's an influx of athletes coming in to take jobs.. it's always fun to watch that part unfold. For now, the tension builds up as news breaks about Parsons' tweets.

With the right personnel on a Parsons-led defense, and the right tools in place for a Parsons-led offense, I have no doubt Dak can get it done with the right tools. The biggest question lingering right now is: to get D-Hop or to not get D-Hop after June 1st?
That's a load of crap! Dak is incapable of stringing together enough playoff wins to get us where we want to go. He is just too inconsistent. It's not about who else is on the team. On average, Dak finds a way to lose every third game all on his own via INT, fumble or what have you. In the playoffs that inconsistency just increases. You go right ahead and keep fooling yourself by believing in Dak. He can't be benched fast enough.
 

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I will say this until the day Dallas makes the moves to create an offensive line which protects, or Dak is run out of town.

When he as time to throw unharrassed, he is pretty good. Yet the interior offensive live, save for Zack Martin allow the rush to prevent stepping up.

I want to see this team focus on a line which is one of the top lines going. Hurts surely has that and looks like he is all-world. Make that line work, which delivers both the passing and running games, along with what we believe this defense will be, then let's grade Dak on his performance.

Otherwise, it gets into an emotional argument where hurt feelings for sudden exits in the play-offs cause people to find a guilty party to harp on.
 

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I will say this until the day Dallas makes the moves to create an offensive line which protects, or Dak is run out of town.

When he as time to throw unharrassed, he is pretty good. Yet the interior offensive live, save for Zack Martin allow the rush to prevent stepping up.

I want to see this team focus on a line which is one of the top lines going. Hurts surely has that and looks like he is all-world. Make that line work, which delivers both the passing and running games, along with what we believe this defense will be, then let's grade Dak on his performance.

Otherwise, it gets into an emotional argument where hurt feelings for sudden exits in the play-offs cause people to find a guilty party to harp on.
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It doesn't matter what Prescott does in the regular season. He could be the MVP. It doesn't matter. The only games that Prescott will be judged on are in January.

If Dallas loses in the playoffs because the offense couldn't score. Dallas will be looking for a new QB.

That's it in a nutshell.

This is a great point. So what does that say about Aaron Rodgers?? He's only won one with MM and nothing after that. Rodgers is said to be one of the greatest ever.... but apparently can't get over the hump in the playoffs.


So according to your measuring stick of winning in the playoffs, how do you view Aaron Rodgers?
 

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I will say this until the day Dallas makes the moves to create an offensive line which protects, or Dak is run out of town.

When he as time to throw unharrassed, he is pretty good. Yet the interior offensive live, save for Zack Martin allow the rush to prevent stepping up.

I want to see this team focus on a line which is one of the top lines going. Hurts surely has that and looks like he is all-world. Make that line work, which delivers both the passing and running games, along with what we believe this defense will be, then let's grade Dak on his performance.

Otherwise, it gets into an emotional argument where hurt feelings for sudden exits in the play-offs cause people to find a guilty party to harp on.
A college style running quarterback will eventually have that catch up with him and spend significant time on the sidelines...
 

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This is funny. One doesn't know if Dak can carry the team or be more than a bus driver? What games/seasons have y'all been watching the past 7 seasons?

In 7 seasons played (it's actually 7 seasons in total due to Dak's season ending injury early in 2020, plus missing 5 games with another injury last year in 2022), Dak has passed for over 4k yards TWICE with one season being 98 yards from being a 5k passing season. Dak has passed for over 3k yards in every season except his rookie season (2016) and the early season ending leg injury in 2020. In 2020, Dak only plated for 4.25 games due to his early season ending leg injury, but he was averaging 436 yards passing/game. Do the math. During that 16 game season, Dak would have easily shattered Peyton Manning's NFL record single season record of 5,400 since Dak was on pace to pass for almost 7k yards that season. Yet, all of that is not enough to make some realize Dak is more than a bus driver?
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I'm aware of Dak's regular season numbers. When I think of "carry the team" I'm not talking about lighting up a bad team in October. I know he can do that.

The two playoff losses to the Niners the last two years he hasn't shown he can carry anything. More picks than TDs and a passer rating below 70 in each game.They averaged 14.5 points in those contests. I say I'll believe it if/when I see it is talking about getting this team over the playoff hump.

If the reaction to that is to talk about who was missing or whatever that's okay, but then don't follow that by suggesting it's obvious Dak can carry the team. He's shown he needs a lot of help. Whether the Jones boys can give him enough of it remains to be seen. So far, they apparently haven't.
 

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You might be right. But then, Jerry has to think about that sense of regret if Cooks or Lamb or Gallup ends up injured. I get that it's a lot. But I've said from the start that they should go into this season with a stacked WR room. I stand by that. So I won't be mad if they end up reeling in Hopkins.
I won't be mad if they add Hopkins, either. I just don't think it's something they're even looking into, given the guys they want to keep who need paid soon.

My guess is they feel they addressed WR by adding Cooks and they think Gallup will return to form a year removed from surgery. We'll see.
 

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I'm aware of Dak's regular season numbers. When I think of "carry the team" I'm not talking about lighting up a bad team in October. I know he can do that.

The two playoff losses to the Niners the last two years he hasn't shown he can carry anything. More picks than TDs and a passer rating below 70 in each game.They averaged 14.5 points in those contests. I say I'll believe it if/when I see it is talking about getting this team over the playoff hump.

If the reaction to that is to talk about who was missing or whatever that's okay, but then don't follow that by suggesting it's obvious Dak can carry the team. He's shown he needs a lot of help. Whether the Jones boys can give him enough of it remains to be seen. So far, they apparently haven't.
Give Dak what Hurts has in Philly (great Oline, great WRs, good RBs and excellent playcaller) and everyone will see how well Dak can perform in the playoffs.
 

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That's a load of crap! Dak is incapable of stringing together enough playoff wins to get us where we want to go. He is just too inconsistent. It's not about who else is on the team. On average, Dak finds a way to lose every third game all on his own via INT, fumble or what have you. In the playoffs that inconsistency just increases. You go right ahead and keep fooling yourself by believing in Dak. He can't be benched fast enough.
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You’re not going to make it to a Super Bowl in a bus, you need a high-performance vehicle.
 

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watch shultz on this play, he was wide open behind defender, if dak throws to him it is a TD!

so dont know if I would use this play to show how smart dak is lol
We discussed this already, will tag you
 

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The FS is still there with the ability to turn and close on the Shultz route when Dak sets up to pass. And with a blitz coming, I don’t think he was waiting for the longer developing route as the hot is going to be quicker.
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