CFZ What the Eagles game reveals/reinforces about the Cowboys

[Diehardblues]

There is just something about this team.
call it …something inherently wrong …. and has been that way for years.

Or call it,
Snake bit
Jimmy curse
Rowdy curse
FO screw ups.

They just can’t ever seem to get over the hump. As far back as the Clayton drop, Garrett 3 straight years of losses on win and in games. As well as other missed big moments.

Someone or something has to step up, or happen to get over that.

Bob post is spot on. We still have weaknesses and come up short in talent . I can’t help but think the leadership from the top is core issue.

But I can’t help but agree or at least ponder your thoughts, that we seem jinxed .

We just keep finding new ways to lose . A TD that’s not a TD. A 2 point conversion that a foot barely steps out. I mean come on. We keep finding new ways to lose. Reminded me of the Dez catch. Similar heartbreaking loss.

We can dissect it to death. Bob hit on most of the better points. But in a game that was ours to win we found a way to lose.

There might be something greater at play that we simply can’t overcome or not good enough to overcome . Sometimes it’s just not meant to be. The monkey or in this case gorilla is too heavy to get off our backs.

It’s really unsettling as I sit here after waking up unable to get back to sleep. Tough tough backbreaking heartbreaking loss leaves me thinking not only are we not great enough but it’s simply not our time. The football gods aren’t with us.

 

[Diehardblues]

We can all hate and despise Stephen A. Smith's whole schtick concerning the Cowboys all we want. And believe me I do.

Unfortunately, his ultimate message regarding their play in big moments is the absolute truth.

Dysfunction at the highest level(s), personified.

And it ain't "JUST" because of Jerry Jones.

No , but the dysfunction leadership is the root of the evil. It’s at the core of the undisciplined nature. And if we ever believed in a jinx or not meant to be , the football gods not with us , ball not bouncing our way, etc our frikin owner is at the heart of it all.

And it hasn’t just been with this roster , QB, HC and staff. It’s been this entire frikin era that just won’t stop snake biting us with this god awful pain.

From bumbling snaps , the catch that wasn’t , to the TD’s reversed and conversion off by a foot, this franchise has a funk surrounding it that appears unshakable.

 

[CowboyoWales]

After an incredibly disappointing loss, and after the emotions of frustration and disappointment subside, there are plenty of opportunities to assess what this game and this point of the season reveals about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are what their record shows it to be. At 5-3 they are a good but not great team with some obvious strengths and weaknesses. Here are some of my assessments about this team - good and bad:

• Yeah our fans are frustrated with the refs BUT - this team has an obvious problem with penalties. It is undisciplined. Lining up offsides, false starts, delays of game, and a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver are not “bad calls” by the refs. They are signs that this team lacks attention to detail.
• We have a good enough QB to win with. I don’t want to spend any time on the most tired topic on this forum but QB is not THE problem here.
• We have found an outstanding K in Brandon Aubrey. He’s the most reliable player on the team currently.
• Cedee Lamb is the best offensive weapon we have.
• Our defense is good but it is not great. Parsons is obviously a beast but he has not been consistent. I actually wonder if he’s being used properly. Quinn has built a good defense but it still lacks the ability to impose its will without a big lead.
• The OL is inconsistent. Tyron Smith is a shell of what he was and completely unreliable, Terance Steele is either not fully healed or has digressed, Zack Martin is still very good but no longer great.
• The running game is sub par. Is it the OL problems? Is Pollard not suited for the role he’s playing? (That’s what I think) It’s obvious they don’t have enough depth and punch in the running game. Not addressing this in the draft or at the trade deadline was mistake.
• Mike McCarthy is an upgrade from Garrett. Thats obvious. But his teams lack discipline and attention to detail. This is the third year in a row we have seen the same problems with sloppy play, penalties and problems executing early in games.
• Our front office is way too comfortable not taking chances. This is a good roster. But if any of us are honest, we aren’t in the same league as eagles and niners with roster depth.

There are certainly lots more to this team. And we’re just about halfway through the season. But this team seems strikingly similar to so many of the other Cowboys teams we’ve seen the last 15 years; there’s talent, but not enough. The coaching is good at times but not consistent. The only consistency in this organization if the old face dominating this franchise.

We have a good enough QB, if he wasnt demanding top money and we had pay off his deferred bonus'. Its no good mentioning: Defense, Running Game and OLine not being good enough because the reality is that Dak will have to suffer deficiencies in these areas to compensate for his contract. We havent got the roster of the 9ers and Eagles because we're paying top dollars and fudging Dak's contract into 2024/25.

This is the classic nuance about Love/Hate Dak, there's a middle ground of us that say .... he needs weapons to help him as he cant raise his game when needed.

You can complain about the 'comfortable' FO, but as you mention there are holes in nearly every area of the roster, TOO MANY to fill at the trade deadline.

 

[Surfguy]

This team will never be good enough. That’s what it told me. Everything was right there and couldn’t get it done. End of story.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I know we have/had a quarterback that is good enough to win regular season games with. But this game also says a lot about how we would fare in the post season. The cowboys are undisciplined, but so is the quarterback, when he makes a lot of the mistakes. You got a problem when the quarterback lacks pocket awareness, and when he was younger he had enough athletic ability to get him out of trouble in the pocket, now that he is older and has slowed, he will get sacked more often than he used to. Dak has hit his ceiling, and while he still can be good, he is not going to be as good as he was in his peak days. He needs a faster release time in the pocket, holding onto the football has always been one of his flaws.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

If they had pulled this game out it would have been the kind of victory you build a championship run off of.

It requires a lot of other if's. If they would've won this game, it would've dispelled the notion that Dak can't win the big game. But the cowboys have an additional problem, they lack the culture and leadership to kick it up a notch and play at a different level come playoff times as you see the true playoff contenders do. I wouldn't think they can do that just because they win a big game in the regular season.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I keep repeating it because it needs repeating. Ferguson was wide open on 4th and 8.

And there were several points where Dak should've gone to CeeDee. If CeeDee is your best player you gotta utilize him as such.

 

[Blue64]

What encapsulates the loser mentality?

Well my belief is backing this team when the FO doesn’t care if we win or lose.

Cause in the end, Jerrah wins.

 

[nobody]

There is just something about this team.
call it …something inherently wrong …. and has been that way for years.

Or call it,
Snake bit
Jimmy curse
Rowdy curse
FO screw ups.

They just can’t ever seem to get over the hump. As far back as the Clayton drop, Garrett 3 straight years of losses on win and in games. As well as other missed big moments.

Someone or something has to step up, or happen to get over that.

It's absolutely the culture that Jerry encourages. They're mentally weak. They collapse when the pressure hits a certain point...every single year. If they're playing with a cushy lead, that pressure isn't there. If they are ahead by one score or less, the pressure builds accordingly. If they are playing from two scores behind, it's very likely they'll choke and lose. How often have we seen this dance? Add in the -really- big moments like a divisional round is an auto-choke.

 

[Grenic]

After an incredibly disappointing loss, and after the emotions of frustration and disappointment subside, there are plenty of opportunities to assess what this game and this point of the season reveals about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are what their record shows it to be. At 5-3 they are a good but not great team with some obvious strengths and weaknesses. Here are some of my assessments about this team - good and bad:

• Yeah our fans are frustrated with the refs BUT - this team has an obvious problem with penalties. It is undisciplined. Lining up offsides, false starts, delays of game, and a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver are not “bad calls” by the refs. They are signs that this team lacks attention to detail.
• We have a good enough QB to win with. I don’t want to spend any time on the most tired topic on this forum but QB is not THE problem here.
• We have found an outstanding K in Brandon Aubrey. He’s the most reliable player on the team currently.
• Cedee Lamb is the best offensive weapon we have.
• Our defense is good but it is not great. Parsons is obviously a beast but he has not been consistent. I actually wonder if he’s being used properly. Quinn has built a good defense but it still lacks the ability to impose its will without a big lead.
• The OL is inconsistent. Tyron Smith is a shell of what he was and completely unreliable, Terance Steele is either not fully healed or has digressed, Zack Martin is still very good but no longer great.
• The running game is sub par. Is it the OL problems? Is Pollard not suited for the role he’s playing? (That’s what I think) It’s obvious they don’t have enough depth and punch in the running game. Not addressing this in the draft or at the trade deadline was mistake.
• Mike McCarthy is an upgrade from Garrett. Thats obvious. But his teams lack discipline and attention to detail. This is the third year in a row we have seen the same problems with sloppy play, penalties and problems executing early in games.
• Our front office is way too comfortable not taking chances. This is a good roster. But if any of us are honest, we aren’t in the same league as eagles and niners with roster depth.

There are certainly lots more to this team. And we’re just about halfway through the season. But this team seems strikingly similar to so many of the other Cowboys teams we’ve seen the last 15 years; there’s talent, but not enough. The coaching is good at times but not consistent. The only consistency in this organization if the old face dominating this franchise.

Very well said

 

[CowboyoWales]

I know we have/had a quarterback that is good enough to win regular season games with. But this game also says a lot about how we would fare in the post season. The cowboys are undisciplined, but so is the quarterback, when he makes a lot of the mistakes. You got a problem when the quarterback lacks pocket awareness, and when he was younger he had enough athletic ability to get him out of trouble in the pocket, now that he is older and has slowed, he will get sacked more often than he used to. Dak has hit his ceiling, and while he still can be good, he is not going to be as good as he was in his peak days. He needs as faster release time in the pocket, holding onto the football has always been one of his flaws.

Dak looked great when rolling out and scrambling and then average in the pocket, if we rolled out (especially to the right) Steele turns into a run blocker (which he's more capable of).

He cant rely on the O-Line to save him (and its not getting better - Martin/Tyron age, Biadazs FA and Steele injury), the reality is that it's not getting better.....it's not Dak's fault, but it's the reality of the situation, we'll need that mobile QB who can run for his life.

 

[Mark]

PHI gained 292 yds. on 56 plays, producing 28 pts.

DAL gained 406 yds. on 65 plays, producing only 23 - despite not turning the ball over (except on downs).

Same old red zone issues. Lack of an effective running game makes the goal line much easier to defend.

I'd opined last week that the only thing that was going to prevent a DAL victory was bad officiating and penalties. Of course, you can't blame the officials for false starts, offsides, failure to report, delay of game and out-of-bounds kickoffs. Nor for stepping out-of-bounds, dropped balls, and lack of situational awareness.

Was also troubled by the lack of pressure on Hurts. Dan Quinn was gifted a hobbled opposing QB, and couldn't figure out a way to get to him.

Eh...such a bitter, disappointing loss. But, look at the bright side: We get to beat up on the hapless Giants next weekend, and look like world-beaters again.

 

[tunahelper]

This is what happens when you have bad coaching that doesnt hold players accountable. Been that way since parcells

The results will stay that way until we have a coach with absolute final say over roster and football operations.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The results will stay that way until we have a coach with absolute final say over roster and football operations.

You can't build good culture if the coach isn't the leader of your football team and is ghosted by skeletor.

 

[DZSierra]

I don't even see how a moral victory can be found in a game that we clowned ourselves out of winning.

That sir, is VERY well put.

Thought for sure on that last drive there is no way the Cowboys wouldn't win the game.

 

[DZSierra]

There might be something greater at play that we simply can’t overcome or not good enough to overcome .

My money will always be on Jerry Jones playing general manager, getting players he wants vs what the people he hired to run the team wants.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in both offices when Jeff Laurie and Howie Roseman evauluates players on what their team needs, includeing players to be let go vs how Jerry and Stephen Jones evaluates players on who they think they need and who needs to be let go.

 

[EversonIWasAYoungBoy]

Parsons has not been consistent? do you expect two sacks a game?

If he's not putting up numbers, it means he's taking double and triple teams. 1.5 sacks and 9 tackles against an elite OL today.

Tyron played a solid game. Get some new glasses, bro. Steele was certainly a problem -- you probably got that part of your post from commentator comments in game.

Our front office is not comfortable taking chances? No, it seems like our front office does take chances. And everyone here complains about any chance that did not turn out.

Meh, he only got the sack because hurts gave up after getting hit in the knee.

 

[JonesBoys]

So pretty much the same as every year. Good enough to keep you entertained and on prime time but never good enough to be a threat to win a Super Bowl.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The OL is weak. The RBs are weak. Need another receiver beside Lamb. Every other contender went out and tried to get better. We're so great Jerry didn't need to. What a GM we have.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

So pretty much the same as every year. Good enough to keep you entertained and on prime time but never good enough to be a threat to win a Super Bowl.

Wasn't yesterday entertaining? Just wait till the ratings come out. Jerry will be pleased.