CFZ What the Eagles game reveals/reinforces about the Cowboys

[Haimerej]

Our QB has proven over and over and over again that he will fall short in the biggest moments against the best teams...who here thought we were gonna score with 4 shots from the 6 yard line? I sure as hell didn't....Stephen A. Smith was/is right. And our idiot HC masquerading as OC should have had four quick throws planned with Dak moving and not dropping straight back....was that really too much to ask?

I keep repeating it because it needs repeating. Ferguson was wide open on 4th and 8.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yes you are.

Wow an elementary school burn

 

[Hennessy_King]

I keep repeating it because it needs repeating. Ferguson was wide open on 4th and 8.

And cooks was open on the throw to schoon bum

 

[plymkr]

There is just something about this team.
call it …something inherently wrong …. and has been that way for years.

Or call it,
Snake bit
Jimmy curse
Rowdy curse
FO screw ups.

They just can’t ever seem to get over the hump. As far back as the Clayton drop, Garrett 3 straight years of losses on win and in games. As well as other missed big moments.

Someone or something has to step up, or happen to get over that.

I believe it’s the culture. You guys have heard me discuss the culture for years so I won’t go into it too much here. The culture of celebrity first and football success second that starts with Jerry Jones mindset and trickles down throughout the team. No matter how talented we are the talent cannot overcome the toxic culture. So I feel the Rowdy curse, Jimmy curse, being snake bit and FO mishaps are all under the umbrella of toxic culture stemming from Jerry.

An example is how do we have so many pre snap penalties all the time? No attention to detail. It’s still happening game in and game out, year in and year out. Troy Aikman complained about this way back in ‘97. How can that not be fixed in 25 years? My answer is culture.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I believe it’s the culture. You guys have heard me discuss the culture for years so I won’t go into it too much here. The culture of celebrity first and football success second that starts with Jerry Jones mindset and trickles down throughout the team. No matter how talented we are the talent cannot overcome the toxic culture. So I feel the Rowdy curse, Jimmy curse, being snake bit and FO mishaps are all under the umbrella of toxic culture stemming from Jerry.

An example is how do we have so many pre snap penalties all the time? No attention to detail. It’s still happening game in and game out, year in and year out. Troy Aikman complained about this way back in ‘97. How can that not be fixed in 25 years? My answer is culture.

Yup because no real coach that will hold players accountable will work for jerry

 

[mugsybows]

If they had pulled this game out it would have been the kind of victory you build a championship run off of.

I agree and I think it could have been the start of the idea that this team can win a game where everything is stacked against them. The super sad thing for me is we had every chance to win this game and instead we did everything we could to lose. It reinforces the same narrative alwats with us. We choke. They can not win a big game and probably never will.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

This is what happens when you have bad coaching that doesnt hold players accountable. Been that way since parcells

Camp Cupcakes was the correct name!

 

[Bobhaze]

They always beat themselves. Unreal that they can’t snap the ball off in time after getting that.

This. Teams that beat themselves in the biggest of moments are simply not prepared for those moments.

I keep repeating it because it needs repeating. Ferguson was wide open on 4th and 8.

That was glaring. Might have been a TD he was so open.

 

[Bobhaze]

Yup because no real coach that will hold players accountable will work for jerry

Fundamental truth in ALL organizations: If there is no accountability for people at the top, there can be no accountability anywhere else in the organization.

When your business model includes lifetime contracts regardless of results it contains zero accountability.

 

[Bobhaze]

Seems like like have a lot of good pieces but I've never felt we had a good team.
Not until the first two games when the defense played well. It felt like a good unit.

But it's feels like it's fallen apart.

Great observation. I’ve believed for years that talent alone is never enough. It takes a focused, disciplined team that plays complementary football. I cannot remember the last time a Cowboys team consistently did that. Maybe under Parcells.

 

[Starforever]

After an incredibly disappointing loss, and after the emotions of frustration and disappointment subside, there are plenty of opportunities to assess what this game and this point of the season reveals about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are what their record shows it to be. At 5-3 they are a good but not great team with some obvious strengths and weaknesses. Here are some of my assessments about this team - good and bad:

• Yeah our fans are frustrated with the refs BUT - this team has an obvious problem with penalties. It is undisciplined. Lining up offsides, false starts, delays of game, and a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver are not “bad calls” by the refs. They are signs that this team lacks attention to detail.
• We have a good enough QB to win with. I don’t want to spend any time on the most tired topic on this forum but QB is not THE problem here.
• We have found an outstanding K in Brandon Aubrey. He’s the most reliable player on the team currently.
• Cedee Lamb is the best offensive weapon we have.
• Our defense is good but it is not great. Parsons is obviously a beast but he has not been consistent. I actually wonder if he’s being used properly. Quinn has built a good defense but it still lacks the ability to impose its will without a big lead.
• The OL is inconsistent. Tyron Smith is a shell of what he was and completely unreliable, Terance Steele is either not fully healed or has digressed, Zack Martin is still very good but no longer great.
• The running game is sub par. Is it the OL problems? Is Pollard not suited for the role he’s playing? (That’s what I think) It’s obvious they don’t have enough depth and punch in the running game. Not addressing this in the draft or at the trade deadline was mistake.
• Mike McCarthy is an upgrade from Garrett. Thats obvious. But his teams lack discipline and attention to detail. This is the third year in a row we have seen the same problems with sloppy play, penalties and problems executing early in games.
• Our front office is way too comfortable not taking chances. This is a good roster. But if any of us are honest, we aren’t in the same league as eagles and niners with roster depth.

There are certainly lots more to this team. And we’re just about halfway through the season. But this team seems strikingly similar to so many of the other Cowboys teams we’ve seen the last 15 years; there’s talent, but not enough. The coaching is good at times but not consistent. The only consistency in this organization if the old face dominating this franchise.

We knew all of this going into this game. This organization seems to lower expectations.

 

[Kingofholland]

After an incredibly disappointing loss, and after the emotions of frustration and disappointment subside, there are plenty of opportunities to assess what this game and this point of the season reveals about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are what their record shows it to be. At 5-3 they are a good but not great team with some obvious strengths and weaknesses. Here are some of my assessments about this team - good and bad:

• Yeah our fans are frustrated with the refs BUT - this team has an obvious problem with penalties. It is undisciplined. Lining up offsides, false starts, delays of game, and a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver are not “bad calls” by the refs. They are signs that this team lacks attention to detail.
• We have a good enough QB to win with. I don’t want to spend any time on the most tired topic on this forum but QB is not THE problem here.
• We have found an outstanding K in Brandon Aubrey. He’s the most reliable player on the team currently.
• Cedee Lamb is the best offensive weapon we have.
• Our defense is good but it is not great. Parsons is obviously a beast but he has not been consistent. I actually wonder if he’s being used properly. Quinn has built a good defense but it still lacks the ability to impose its will without a big lead.
• The OL is inconsistent. Tyron Smith is a shell of what he was and completely unreliable, Terance Steele is either not fully healed or has digressed, Zack Martin is still very good but no longer great.
• The running game is sub par. Is it the OL problems? Is Pollard not suited for the role he’s playing? (That’s what I think) It’s obvious they don’t have enough depth and punch in the running game. Not addressing this in the draft or at the trade deadline was mistake.
• Mike McCarthy is an upgrade from Garrett. Thats obvious. But his teams lack discipline and attention to detail. This is the third year in a row we have seen the same problems with sloppy play, penalties and problems executing early in games.
• Our front office is way too comfortable not taking chances. This is a good roster. But if any of us are honest, we aren’t in the same league as eagles and niners with roster depth.

There are certainly lots more to this team. And we’re just about halfway through the season. But this team seems strikingly similar to so many of the other Cowboys teams we’ve seen the last 15 years; there’s talent, but not enough. The coaching is good at times but not consistent. The only consistency in this organization if the old face dominating this franchise.

I agree mostly with this assessment, the Eagles were a few inches better than the Cowboys today + a little help from their friends in stripes.

The difference in this game came down to 1 of 3 things.

--Ferg running short of the end zone and coming up just short.
--Dak stepping out on the 2 pt conversion
--Poor protection in the final 30 seconds when it lookes like Dallas would pull out the win.

 

[Bobhaze]

I agree mostly with this assessment, the Eagles were a few inches better than the Cowboys today + a little help from their friends in stripes.

The difference in this game came down to 1 of 3 things.

--Ferg running short of the end zone and coming up just short.
--Dak stepping out on the 2 pt conversion
--Poor protection in the final 30 seconds when it lookes like Dallas would pull out the win.

The guys in stripes have to call this - a DT clearly lining up offsides, a ST player yanking a facemask on a non-returnable kickoff, a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver in an unbalanced formation, a critical delay of game, multiple false starts…

Hey NFL refs have been inconsistent for years but the Cowboys have a serious penalty problem. Especially pre-snap penalties. They are clearly undisciplined and have a bad lack of attention to detail. And when you play really good teams on the road, you can’t win with that kind undisciplined play.

 

[Beast_from_East]

After an incredibly disappointing loss, and after the emotions of frustration and disappointment subside, there are plenty of opportunities to assess what this game and this point of the season reveals about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are what their record shows it to be. At 5-3 they are a good but not great team with some obvious strengths and weaknesses. Here are some of my assessments about this team - good and bad:

• Yeah our fans are frustrated with the refs BUT - this team has an obvious problem with penalties. It is undisciplined. Lining up offsides, false starts, delays of game, and a tackle failing to report as an eligible receiver are not “bad calls” by the refs. They are signs that this team lacks attention to detail.
• We have a good enough QB to win with. I don’t want to spend any time on the most tired topic on this forum but QB is not THE problem here.
• We have found an outstanding K in Brandon Aubrey. He’s the most reliable player on the team currently.
• Cedee Lamb is the best offensive weapon we have.
• Our defense is good but it is not great. Parsons is obviously a beast but he has not been consistent. I actually wonder if he’s being used properly. Quinn has built a good defense but it still lacks the ability to impose its will without a big lead.
• The OL is inconsistent. Tyron Smith is a shell of what he was and completely unreliable, Terance Steele is either not fully healed or has digressed, Zack Martin is still very good but no longer great.
• The running game is sub par. Is it the OL problems? Is Pollard not suited for the role he’s playing? (That’s what I think) It’s obvious they don’t have enough depth and punch in the running game. Not addressing this in the draft or at the trade deadline was mistake.
• Mike McCarthy is an upgrade from Garrett. Thats obvious. But his teams lack discipline and attention to detail. This is the third year in a row we have seen the same problems with sloppy play, penalties and problems executing early in games.
• Our front office is way too comfortable not taking chances. This is a good roster. But if any of us are honest, we aren’t in the same league as eagles and niners with roster depth.

There are certainly lots more to this team. And we’re just about halfway through the season. But this team seems strikingly similar to so many of the other Cowboys teams we’ve seen the last 15 years; there’s talent, but not enough. The coaching is good at times but not consistent. The only consistency in this organization if the old face dominating this franchise.

Good post Bob, I agree with your points.

This team is what it is, a very good team but not a great team.

Being 2.5 games back in the division now pretty much puts us on pace to be a Wildcard team again and odds are we dont advance to the NFC title game for like the 30th year in a row.

Yeah, I was hoping this year was going to be different, but it looks like just more of the same with the Divisional round being the ceiling once again.

Could be worse I guess, we could be back in the 5-11 Campo days or the 8-8 Garrett days...................I guess getting a Wildcard is not so bad compared to those times.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I believe it’s the culture. You guys have heard me discuss the culture for years so I won’t go into it too much here. The culture of celebrity first and football success second that starts with Jerry Jones mindset and trickles down throughout the team. No matter how talented we are the talent cannot overcome the toxic culture. So I feel the Rowdy curse, Jimmy curse, being snake bit and FO mishaps are all under the umbrella of toxic culture stemming from Jerry.

An example is how do we have so many pre snap penalties all the time? No attention to detail. It’s still happening game in and game out, year in and year out. Troy Aikman complained about this way back in ‘97. How can that not be fixed in 25 years? My answer is culture.

Players come and go but the same blunders and mistakes remain. It all comes down to the culture that Jerry has made this team. we are a reality show. While other playoff contenders continually try to get better Jerry is content with how it is.

 

[plymkr]

Players come and go but the same blunders and mistakes remain. It all comes down to the culture that Jerry has made this team. we are a reality show. While other playoff contenders continually try to get better Jerry is content with how it is.

Well said. I like the reality show analogy. It’s true, we’re a reality show and not a football team. We’re good TV, bad football team. It sucks.

 

[BKBDAD]

This encapsulates the loser mentality that is now the texas cowboys fanbase.

Moral victories instead of actual ones

I DON’T THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MORAL VICTORIES, JUST STAING FACT ABOUT THE TEAM, WHICH HE NAILED!

 

[charron]

Same thing every year.

Lots of penalties, no discipline
Over value their players and too slow to correct a lack of performance.

 

[doomsday9084]

I generally came away from that game thinking Dallas is the marginally more talented team, with some exceptions. The Eagles' secondary is surprisingly bad. Their statistical ranking near the bottom is no fluke.

The big issue is the execution, mistakes and sloppiness though. Critical drops, Steele just brain farting and then the offense refusing to adjust to give him help, a few dumb penalties, etc. This general sloppiness has been the defining trait of the Dallas Cowboys since Jimmy Johnson left. There is no reason to think its going to improve. I get the impression that the team is always going to find a way to lose games like that.

 

[75boyz]

We can all hate and despise Stephen A. Smith's whole schtick concerning the Cowboys all we want. And believe me I do.

Unfortunately, his ultimate message regarding their play in big moments is the absolute truth.

Dysfunction at the highest level(s), personified.

And it ain't "JUST" because of Jerry Jones.