The Cowboys are expected to hire Mike Zimmer as their defensive coordinator

_sturt_

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Doesn’t make much sense
No, not to me anyway.

but then look how Garrett became HC.
Well, but I did exactly that in the response to the poster who calls himself Blitzen...

"Zimmer isn't some young offensive coordinator with a reputation for high intelligence based on his Ivy League education who also once played for the Cowboys. Very different scenario."
 

JeffInDC

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The guy was terrible when he was here before. The most 200 yard rushing games, the most rushing first downs in a game. We could hardly wait to get rid of him and here we are again! Terrible hire, maybe Butch Davis or Dave Campo can come to our rescue if Zimm doesnt work out.
So, what happened in 2000 resonates with you more than the 7 Top 10 scoring D’s he had in his last 10 years as HC/DC…got it.
 

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Perhaps you have to learn about your team. Kearse is a FA and good chance he won’t even be on the team next year. Wilson will be SS and Hooker FS. We also have Bell who is a SS and Mukuamu (who showed he was better in coverage in the prior years playoffs playing the slot) and Thomas who showed a little promise for a first year guy. We don’t need a safety. We won’t play 3 safeties all game like we have the last couple of years. We certainly won’t be playing 3 safeties in the nickel. Like I said we don’t need a safety, we need to play our safeties the right way.
I am not sold on any of them. Bell, Wilson, and Hooker are all question marks. None are solid except Wilson. Perhaps wear glasses when watching the games.
 

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Save yourself a lot of misery...just give up while the rest of us get to watch some improvements coming to the complete defense.
I hope you are right. I really hope we are the #1 Defense in 2024 and we say Dan who?? I feel almost certain our Defense, at best, looks the same.
 

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So you think "settling,"on Zimmer is the best option available. Staley, Viable, Rivera and many others are out there, and they decide on the guy who could never stop the run. His DBs play 15 yards off the ball and are not allowed to play the ball. We were consistently bad at turnovers the last time we were here, especially interception! Zimmer's teams have never won anything. At least Quinn made it to the SB. Remember the GROZ days? I do!
Nobody here is happy “settling”.

But this is like when people post their free agency wants (Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins etc) it’s just not happening

Zim was the best of the limited options available. We were the last team to be in this position
 

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The main concern needs to be his staff. Right now, he has no DL coach and really no right hand. Most of his staff with the Vikings are scattered around the league.
Roy Anderson might be out as secondary coach in Seattle. He coached under Zimmer for a couple of years, so maybe that's one to keep an eye on?
 

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So, in your world, the team could fail to meet expectations, but the DC of the failed team will... get promoted.

Okay then.
You would be surprised if this happened? The offensive coordinator took over for Wade after a complete collapse and spent a decade here including three straight 8-8 campaigns.

The team that had Dave Campo for three seasons? It should only surprise fans if Jerry hires a well respected young coach that is ascending and publicly gives the GM title to someone not related to himself and puts the personnel and coaching staffing authority in that person’s hands via contract.
 

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I wanted Vrabel but was intrigued by Rex.

Having said that I am not dissatisfied with Zimm either. He’s grown a lot since 2006. I remember being envious of his style with Cincy and than Minny as we never saw that kind of play here. He made Barr into a pass rusher from the LB position which was new.

Having said all that, the FO MUST get LB’s and Dline help. It’s really not that difficult as the secondary is really good. I think Thomas is a budding star at Safety. I also think Sam Williams (bone headed aside) needs to play FT. He’s always applying pressure in his limited snaps. DQ failed on not playing him more.
My concern with Ryan is that it would have been a constant bunch of drama. He never met a microphone he didn’t like and is so opinionated that I think it would be chaos in the front office.

Disruption is fine and sometimes needed but it can’t be wild every man for himself disruption and I was worried that might have been what was in store.
 

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Roy Anderson might be out as secondary coach in Seattle. He coached under Zimmer for a couple of years, so maybe that's one to keep an eye on?
Al Harris will have that job. Has Anderson done other things?
 

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The players have to be smart enough for his system. His last go around the players were not smart enough for his system, he dumbed it down and went bend but dont break and not get beat deep. He had to play off 10yds so he wouldn't get beat deep.
Because - back then, I believe, the Dallas secondary players lacked the skill and technique to play press man coverage. I wholeheartedly believe this defense HAS the secondary pieces in place. I hope Zimmer will take better advantage of those secondary players.

The REAL challenge will be beefing up the interior of the front six or seven.
 

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I am not sold on any of them. Bell, Wilson, and Hooker are all question marks. None are solid except Wilson. Perhaps wear glasses when watching the games.
So is Wilson a question mark or is he solid? You dont even know what you are talking about :facepalm:
 

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Spent a chunk of my evening watching old Zimmer press conferences and interviews from his Vikings years, as well as comments from non-Cowboys media about the guy.

Takeaway number one was how that Vikings media on his way out the door were just mercilessly popping him for a "toxic culture." But you kinda expect that that would be the case for any head coach whose welcome seems to have reached its endpoint and who seemed best known for how derisive/demeaning he could be when a player got on his shitlist.

Takeaway number two was that he continues to command super respect from his greatest players... not so much his lesser players.

Takeaway number three was that Zimmer and Belichick are not much different from each other in terms of persona. They both are very bland people, with very uninteresting things to ever say when talking about their teams to the media. And get this... on the sense of humor scale, I say Belichick has a slight edge even :) . Not just saying that.

Takeaway number four was that DAL defensive players are about to experience a whole other experience, it would seem.

How will they react? This isn't Bill Parcells or Jimmy Johnson who could simultaneously be an asschewer to their players, and at the same time, command a room with their animation, wisdom, and clever way with words. With Zimmer, you mostly get asschewer in public, and wisdom is restricted to one-on-one conversations. That's it.

Takeaway number five is that I sure hope all these people... and there are a lot, and they're virtually all people whose football careers demand regard... will be proven right about Zimmer's genius as a defensive architect.

That's key, really. He made the claim to Tom Pelissero that, in so many words, he's basically taken his time off to replicate what Mike McCarthy did in his time off (as DQ, of course, also claimed to have done)... study video and do a lot of self-critique in order to emerge from that process with some novel approaches for next NFL job he would get.


This is coming from someone who initially loved the hire.

I still like the hire. But I've argued with myself to a larger degree, and "like" is a more balanced descriptor. And being fair to Zimmer, critical thought applied to every candidate named almost certainly would render "like" as a leg-up on the other options. Every candidate, if we're sober-minded, has a package of desirable and less than desirable traits/experiences.

In baseball terms, I've heard today this should be considered a "home run."

Not from me.

It's a double to deep right, and the runner has a chance over the next little bit to prove he can stretch it into a triple.
That is, if we see substantiated reason to believe Zimmer's overcome any of the downsides I've discussed, and accentuated any of the upsides to some degree... he's got a shot at third base.

(The home run tier, from where I sit, is reserved for a very special class of hires, where there's practically all upside, no downside.)
 

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Nobody here is happy “settling”.

But this is like when people post their free agency wants (Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins etc) it’s just not happening

Zim was the best of the limited options available. We were the last team to be in this position
Well to be fair, Seattle hired Durde after we did Zimmer.
 

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So lazy that he won over a Super model.
Uhhhh....a FORMER model.

You know what a 41 year old FORMER model does when the looks she USED to have vanish, and the world stops being her oyster simply because of her face, and gets to the age where she could be an NFL player's mother.... and her net worth becomes the same as ur typical 41 year old insurance salesman?

Well, she does what any self-respecting FORMER model does when she's approaching middle age: she gets tons of plastic surgery so that her face looks all creepy and stretched out, and she finds a rich 70 year old fool to marry who isn't smart enough to realize he's being used for his money. Tricking an old dude out of his money sure beats getting a job!

Maybe Zimmer can go buy a Corvette too, and complete the whole image.
 

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Uhhhh....a FORMER model.

You know what a 41 year old FORMER model does when the looks she USED to have vanish, and the world stops being her oyster simply because of her face, and gets to the age where she could be an NFL player's mother.... and her net worth becomes the same as ur typical 41 year old insurance salesman?

Well, she does what any self-respecting FORMER model does when she's approaching middle age: she gets tons of plastic surgery so that her face looks all creepy and stretched out, and she finds a rich 70 year old fool to marry who isn't smart enough to realize he's being used for his money. Tricking an old dude out of his money sure beats getting a job!

Maybe Zimmer can go buy a Corvette too, and complete the whole image.
Some of those 70 year old fools are smarter than you think.
 
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