Question for the pro-Dak fans on here?

[Cmac]

I can't or wouldn't defend him on all his throws.....but you can't show me a QB (outside of Lamar, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, or Jayden Daniels) that can currently withstand constant pressure and be expected to make good throws. Just sayin'.

On the other hand, our offense is as predictable as a next day, and as non-threatening as a Senior Citizen sitting on the porch.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Not this season. He's been inaccurate even on routine check downs, noodle armed on deep balls, has no mobility to avoid sacks or pick up big scrambling yards, has very little ability to improvise on busted plays, and isn't showing any real leadership.

Seriously, which part of his game is strong right now?

Right now he’s not playing well at all, but there are variables outside of Dak that are contributing to his poor play. The OL sucks. The RB room sucks. The WR corp is pedestrian outside of CeeDee and all of these deficiencies are further exacerbated by an awful defensive start to the season rooted primarily in what may be the worst DL in the league right now with the current injuries. Even healthy they weren’t playing great by any means. Dak is not an elite QB, so he’s not going to come close to overcoming all of these holes. In fact I’m not sure prime Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, or Mahomes could overcome them, though they’d close the gap significantly more than Dak, obviously.

I didn’t want to resign Dak for $60 million. The moment negotiations started revolving around that number, we should have let him walk. He’s not worth it and we don’t have the FO needed to creatively assemble a talented roster a QB like Dak needs with that kind of contract weighing down the cap. I was also hoping we would let him walk because maybe that would have possibly been a prompt for the eventual bursting of this hyper-inflated market bubble for QBs in the league right now, though Dak likely gets his $60 million from some team no matter what.

What I’m saying is that he’s not garbage. He’s a competent NFL starting QB that can win a SB if surrounded with talent. We saw Jalen Hurts come within an inch of winning a SB on that talented Eagles team and I don’t think he’s anywhere near elite, either. The same could happen with Dak imo.

 

[Blue64]

Your comparing apples to oranges when you are comparing different eras.

Boy wonder still has 3 Superbowls and Dak will never win one
And by the way Dak had Zeke at his best and what did he do… nothing

But hell he learns after every loss… 9 years of learning and he still hasn’t learned anything except milk this team FO into giving him these ludicrous contracts.
Know what else? Dak would not even be a water boy in Aikmans era

 

[thunderpimp91]

Your comparing apples to oranges when you are comparing different eras.

Yeah its a completely different game now. Aikman had a career completion percentage of 61.5 and was thought of as maybe the most accurate passing the league. Dak this year is at 63.4% which ranks 23rd in the league.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

that interception was Dak's Fault. if nothing else he should have seen the defender and thrown the ball away. he was too aggressive at the wrong time. in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't have made a difference. Detroit scored on 9 of 10 meaningful possessions. there is no way we can keep up and score TDs for TDs.

with that said, the scheme does suck. there is no denying that neither.

the opposite of what you said is why does Dak have to carry all the blame. there is plenty of others on the team that leave a lot to be desired and when you have that, you get the results you see. this type of debacle is not on one person. the whole team has to suck really bad, from coaches on down.

 

[mfiggs18]

He's a solid NFL QB and you can win with those types. Watch other good NFL teams most have two good receivers and a decent run game to go along with it. If they don't have those things they have a top 10 defense to keep the game close and wait for the QB to make a handful of plays to win the game. We have none of that. I think the only time I was disappointed with Dak was the first 49er playoff game.

 

[phildadon86]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

This team is a perfect storm of bad.

Diva WR, QB who thinks hes better than he is, HC on the last year of a contract (whole coaching staff in fact) and an OWNER/GM who tells these guys they are champions without having to win anything.

You can blame Dak for some of the horrible mistakes hes made, you can blame Lamb for some of his mistakes, you can blame the scheme because it is archaic and there is no pre snap movement, you can blame the DC because the D scheme is old and tired and they are all hurt.

But the one thing that should get the blame is the FO. They paid Dak, Lamb, kept the coaching staff, have no depth, didnt replace the starters they lost.

I am tired of blaming all things. I am now just blaming one. And its the Jones family. The only one doing their job is Charlotte.

 

[JeffInDC]

Don't you know man... Every other QB has a collection of Jerry Rices and Randy Mosses at WR, every WR turns into Deion on off-target passes, and their coaching and OL is always legendarily great.

Dak alone is forced to suffer through these imperfect conditions.

And as for the Twitterati... Most of these guys are relatively young guys who built their following in the last 10 years or so when twitter really took off. All they know is the time since Dak took over, so they have little to no true perspective. They're fans first who have spent so much time defending their man, they can't admit they might have been wrong. Many if not most of them are absolute clowns.

See, this post illustrates what I'm talking about. Somebody tweets a thought OPPOSITE if your beliefs, and they're dead wrong according to you. Yet, when Tom Brady is criticizing Dak but ALSO blasting the rest of the Cowboys, are his points about Dak the only valid points he's making? So, are Brady's thoughts just as unimportant as what Dez said (they're basically saying the SAME THING)? Again, too many people on here think their word is gospel.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

See, this post illustrates what I'm talking about. Somebody tweets a thought OPPOSITE if your beliefs, and they're dead wrong according to you. Yet, when Tom Brady is criticizing Dak but ALSO blasting the rest of the Cowboys, are his points about Dak the only valid points he's making? So, are Brady's thoughts just as unimportant as what Dez said (they're basically saying the SAME THING)? Again, too many people on here think their word is gospel.

No idea what you're talking about. I never said Dak was solely to blame for everything.

My point was that every QB has imperfect conditions. Dealing with it and overcoming it is part of the job and not an excuse for terrible play.

 

[JeffInDC]

No idea what you're talking about. I never said Dak was solely to blame for everything.

My point was that every QB has imperfect conditions. Dealing with it and overcoming it is part of the job and not an excuse for terrible play.

Again, reading IS fundamental. Where did I specifically state you were blaming Dak for everything? I said you were predictably doing what so many others do on this board (especially when it refers to Dak) - you discounted anyone that has a different opinion than you. You said folks on X/Twitter can't admit when their wrong - YOUR WORDS!!!!! Why? Because it's NOT what YOU believe...

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

They also didn’t have the rules protecting the QB, including not falling on the QB. These guys today are being gifted 15 yard penalties over and over again.

Yeah, take for instance the hit that ended Aikman career. There was a dent in his helmet and no flag.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I can't or wouldn't defend him on all his throws.....but you can't show me a QB (outside of Lamar, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, or Jayden Daniels) that can currently withstand constant pressure and be expected to make good throws. Just sayin'.

On the other hand, our offense is as predictable as a next day, and as non-threatening as a Senior Citizen sitting on the porch.

At this stage, when Dak is pressured, you expect him to hold onto the ball and take the sack. He doesn't have Romo's knack of getting out of trouble, he doesn't release the ball before the pressure gets there, he doesn't have legs anymore.

 

[Typhus]

At this stage, when Dak is pressured, you expect him to hold onto the ball and take the sack. He doesn't have Romo's knack of getting out of trouble, he doesn't release the ball before the pressure gets there, he doesn't have legs anymore.

60 million a year crash test dummy.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Again, reading IS fundamental. Where did I specifically state you were blaming Dak for everything? I said you were predictably doing what so many others do on this board (especially when it refers to Dak) - you discounted anyone that has a different opinion than you. You said folks on X/Twitter can't admit when their wrong - YOUR WORDS!!!!! Why? Because it's NOT what YOU believe...

That's right, I do think they're wrong.

You don't think I should be allowed to disagree with people?

 

[JeffInDC]

That's right, I do think they're wrong.

You don't think I should be allowed to disagree with people?

You absolutely should - as I'm disagreeing with you. Doesn't make either one of us more right than the other. Has Dak been bad? Yes. Yet, according to the "stats" he's playing about the same as the current GOAT. But, what is different about KC and Dallas right now? KC has a defense that is playing GREAT. Would you agree? Also, KC has an OBVIOUS coaching advantage...wouldn't you agree?

 

[Cmac]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

Absolved?......If most can only routinely bring up Dak or Zeke on a weekly basis for critique (which is not a problem and deserving), but exonerate, minimize or completely dismiss others and other areas (which is a problem and undeserving) ................Lenscrafters is open right now.

The line is so long for identifying miscues, undisciplined play, bad technique, marginal talent, "soft" play, management uncertainty/unwillingness/stubbornness and now anger......it's lined up around the building. I'm trying to figure out why is there immunity for poor play beyond just pointing at Dak (Absolved?) or just heaving Zeke's name all over the place?

Our best on the OL......Z Martin looked like he is done, and we know he's given his all.
D......getting gashed like a multiple stabbing scene.
While you may not agree whether Dak is setup to fail......he ain't been setup to succeed, for sure.

C'mon WillieBeamen!! You better than that. Don't do the Stephen A/Skip mantra.

 

[WillieBeamen]

that interception was Dak's Fault. if nothing else he should have seen the defender and thrown the ball away. he was too aggressive at the wrong time. in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't have made a difference. Detroit scored on 9 of 10 meaningful possessions. there is no way we can keep up and score TDs for TDs.

with that said, the scheme does suck. there is no denying that neither.

the opposite of what you said is why does Dak have to carry all the blame. there is plenty of others on the team that leave a lot to be desired and when you have that, you get the results you see. this type of debacle is not on one person. the whole team has to suck really bad, from coaches on down.

Dak carries the blame because his play is inconsistent and he rarely rises to the occasion against good teams.

But this thread isnt about that. My question is why the need for excuses for him constantly? And its not just a CZ thing. Local members do it all the time. National media members do it. If Dak was unfairly criticized, I can somewhat understand it. But hes not.

 

[starfan1]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?

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I'm sorry you lose any credibility when you say Dak is always absolved.none of us that support dak (and i support the cowboys on game day and hes a cowboy) say hes free of blame. You and your com padres view this team through a Dak sucks lens and he is the reason for cowboys failures.
Every play in the game threads is reviewed in that manner for the most part.Dak this Dak that and you ignore the other facets of the team. and when he balls out you rarely credit him. Every play with a bad result can have a different reason why it happened but the false narratives from the ABD crew have been debunked.Its just those of you who hate our QB that hold on to them and bring that crap up all week and in the game thread. Its funny because I wish I could go back 10 o 12 years and see your responses for the previous QB's failures.
My guess is they would be similar to what you're complaining about in this thread but enough of that. The money he makes is ridiculous that i can agree with you on but thats not on him.Jerry has overpaid many a player including Witten and romo and Jaylon and DLaw its the market.It is what it is. quit comparing him to Mahomes who is a better QB and has a better TEAM. I was ok with him getting the extension for 1 sole reason and it isnt because i think hes worth the $$ its because fans like you and papsmear and mountain and acre and a few others have made this place unbearable at times . Less you than the others but you are part of the ABD crew. so i smiled when he got the extension because I can be petty.

The most frustrating thing for me with dak is his inaccuracy and his pocket panicking. Its not every play by any stretch but the play you mentioned here was easy to see from my couch. The DB duped dak into throwing to CeeDee. Sometimes dak cant hit water if he fell out of a dang boat but there are also uphill battles that you face as a QB and you mentioned some of them. Steele is garbage i dont care what PFF says. he had 1 good year and got paid and has been average ever since. No run game is an issue. No defense (the same issues Romo had at times). Daks best opportunities were in 16 and 18 IMO and perhaps the 1st san fran loss. Hes part of the problem make no mistake but he isnt THE problem

I also understand that we arent going to see eye to eye in this thread especially after the drubbing we took on sunday where Dak sucked. He however is not the biggest issue with this team. He sits in the press box and this team will never win a SB with Jerry as GM unless a whole lot of luck happens. His rant yesterday though had 1 thing right there are 32 teams and every year only 1 wins.

All that said I will be rooting for a dub against san fran and then against the falcons and Texans etc. Its not in my DNA to root any other way.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You absolutely should - as I'm disagreeing with you. Doesn't make either one of us more right than the other. Has Dak been bad? Yes. Yet, according to the "stats" he's playing about the same as the current GOAT. But, what is different about KC and Dallas right now? KC has a defense that is playing GREAT. Would you agree? Also, KC has an OBVIOUS coaching advantage...wouldn't you agree?

You think the difference between Dak and Mahomes is coaching and defense? Really?

If so, there's nothing more for us to talk about.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Absolved?......If most can only routinely bring up Dak or Zeke on a weekly basis for critique (which is not a problem and deserving), but exonerate, minimize or completely dismiss others and other areas (which is a problem and undeserving) ................Lenscrafters is open right now.

The line is so long for identifying miscues, undisciplined play, bad technique, marginal talent, "soft" play, management uncertainty/unwillingness/stubbornness and now anger......it's lined up around the building. I'm trying to figure out why is there immunity for poor play beyond just pointing at Dak (Absolved?) or just heaving Zeke's name all over the place?

Our best on the OL......Z Martin looked like he is done, and we know he's given his all.
D......getting gashed like a multiple stabbing scene.
While you may not agree whether Dak is setup to fail......he ain't been setup to succeed, for sure.

C'mon WillieBeamen!! You better than that. Don't do the Stephen A/Skip mantra.

My man, respectfully, what are you talking about? We arent talking about Zeke, the OL, or anybody else in this thread. Its about Dak.

I gave prime examples of what im referring to in the op. Dez Bryant is cool with many if not most of the players on this team. He still went out and tweeted that the issues with this team ARENT daks fault. How can any credible person say that at this point? Posts like that contradict your point. If its isnt Daks fault, the blame is obviously cast at other areas of the team.

He needs to be called out when he plays poorly, period.