Question for the pro-Dak fans on here?

JeffInDC

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You think the difference between Dak and Mahomes is coaching and defense? Really?

If so, there's nothing more for us to talk about.
Dude, I KNOW Mahomes is by far the better player. Stevie Wonder knows that. What I'm saying is that Mahomes hasn't MAHOMES many times this year, yet, their 5-0. Are they 5-0 SOLEY because of Mahomes? If you think this, then, you are absolutely right - we have nothing more to talk about.
 

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Right now he’s not playing well at all, but there are variables outside of Dak that are contributing to his poor play. The OL sucks. The RB room sucks. The WR corp is pedestrian outside of CeeDee and all of these deficiencies are further exacerbated by an awful defensive start to the season rooted primarily in what may be the worst DL in the league right now with the current injuries. Even healthy they weren’t playing great by any means. Dak is not an elite QB, so he’s not going to come close to overcoming all of these holes. In fact I’m not sure prime Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, or Mahomes could overcome them, though they’d close the gap significantly more than Dak, obviously.

I didn’t want to resign Dak for $60 million. The moment negotiations started revolving around that number, we should have let him walk. He’s not worth it and we don’t have the FO needed to creatively assemble a talented roster a QB like Dak needs with that kind of contract weighing down the cap. I was also hoping we would let him walk because maybe that would have possibly been a prompt for the eventual bursting of this hyper-inflated market bubble for QBs in the league right now, though Dak likely gets his $60 million from some team no matter what.

What I’m saying is that he’s not garbage. He’s a competent NFL starting QB that can win a SB if surrounded with talent. We saw Jalen Hurts come within an inch of winning a SB on that talented Eagles team and I don’t think he’s anywhere near elite, either. The same could happen with Dak imo.
Not at 60 mil.

I truly cannot figure out a team that would've paid him 60 besides us.
 

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At this stage, when Dak is pressured, you expect him to hold onto the ball and take the sack. He doesn't have Romo's knack of getting out of trouble, he doesn't release the ball before the pressure gets there, he doesn't have legs anymore.
I expect the team to shore up the OL, initially. Not gonna happen this year. OL blocking like matadors. Instead of hearing "ole", it should be "look out".

As for TRomo....."knack of getting out of trouble" actually ended his career (back) and when the legs weren't used.....it helped end his career (shoulder).
 

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You absolutely should - as I'm disagreeing with you. Doesn't make either one of us more right than the other. Has Dak been bad? Yes. Yet, according to the "stats" he's playing about the same as the current GOAT. But, what is different about KC and Dallas right now? KC has a defense that is playing GREAT. Would you agree? Also, KC has an OBVIOUS coaching advantage...wouldn't you agree?
Then you might want to consider to stop using stats as a barometer.
 

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My man, respectfully, what are you talking about? We arent talking about Zeke, the OL, or anybody else in this thread. Its about Dak.

I gave prime examples of what im referring to in the op. Dez Bryant is cool with many if not most of the players on this team. He still went out and tweeted that the issues with this team ARENT daks fault. How can any credible person say that at this point? Posts like that contradict your point. If its isnt Daks fault, the blame is obviously cast at other areas of the team.

He needs to be called out when he plays poorly, period.
So, Dez needs to be called out because his viewpoint ISN'T yours? And, you know Dez's personal feelings about all the players now? This is exactly what I'm talking about - if folks don't agree with your opinion, then they don't know what they're talking about. What makes you the expert?
 

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So, Dez needs to be called out because his viewpoint ISN'T yours? And, you know Dez's personal feelings about all the players now? This is exactly what I'm talking about - if folks don't agree with your opinion, then they don't know what they're talking about. What makes you the expert?
Dez is an example of many.

“Its not a Dak thing”.

So Dak throwing picks, fumbling, taking bad sacks, errant throws, doesnt matter. Hes teflon.


Laughable
 

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I expect the team to shore up the OL, initially. Not gonna happen this year. OL blocking like matadors. Instead of hearing "ole", it should be "look out".

As for TRomo....."knack of getting out of trouble" actually ended his career (back) and when the legs weren't used.....it helped end his career (shoulder).
Jerry Drafted for the future instead of Win now, which is what he should've done if he was going to give Dak the big contract. As to what took Romo out was lines much worse than what we have now. The line is bad, but anyone who watched the cowboys have seen worse.
 

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Like I asked ChocolateLab - is Mahomes the SOLE reason they're 5-0?
Dude, who cares? This thread is about Dak and his play and his excuses.

If the team were 3-3 and losing games 50-48 and Dak were lighting it up, I don't think many fans would be complaining about him. But he's looked mostly terrible this year. The question is why he gets every excuse from some when he stinks.
 

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What is crazy about this is it's the same tune we have heard from each poster ( critics and/or pro-Dak) for going on 8 years. You can take all their posts and put them side by side and see almost the same words about Dak 8 years and counting :laugh:. But at the end of the day, BOTH sides want to win and that's a good thing.
 

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My man, respectfully, what are you talking about? We arent talking about Zeke, the OL, or anybody else in this thread. Its about Dak.

I gave prime examples of what im referring to in the op. Dez Bryant is cool with many if not most of the players on this team. He still went out and tweeted that the issues with this team ARENT daks fault. How can any credible person say that at this point? Posts like that contradict your point. If its isnt Daks fault, the blame is obviously cast at other areas of the team.

He needs to be called out when he plays poorly, period.
WillieBeamen.....respectfully....in kind and sincerely.

Not questioning Dak's performance nor a right to call him out. I'm just questioning the easy "go to" moves about blame. You suggested and mentioned "absolved". Dak takes heat routinely. I get that and it's deserving. What I don't understand is the penchant on this board to overlook so much more.

To say one player (Dak) can change this mess or is the cause of this mess is foolery. And the pay shouldn't be the requirement for such. "There's just more chickens out the coop than just one." We have problems....not problem.

All good WillieBeamen.....keep posting. We in it together.
 

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Jerry Drafted for the future instead of Win now, which is what he should've done if he was going to give Dak the big contract. As to what took Romo out was lines much worse than what we have now. The line is bad, but anyone who watched the cowboys have seen worse.
Is that a Romo excuse? And I have watched the 'Boys.
 

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Dez is an example of many.

“Its not a Dak thing”.

So Dak throwing picks, fumbling, taking bad sacks, errant throws, doesnt matter. Hes teflon.


Laughable
Again, please show me where someone has given Dak a full pass on his bad play...I don't recall seeing almost anyone saying Dak isn't sucking right now. He is. But, this notion that everything falls on him is also quite laughable. In fact, I could make a counter argument that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak crew give nothing but excuses for everyone on this team NOT named Dak.
 

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Dude, who cares? This thread is about Dak and his play and his excuses.

If the team were 3-3 and losing games 50-48 and Dak were lighting it up, I don't think many fans would be complaining about him. But he's looked mostly terrible this year. The question is why he gets every excuse from some when he stinks.
Like I just said to another poster, I can make the point that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak Crew make excuses for everyone NOT named Dak...according to you guys, the D sucks because of Dak's deficiencies. And, the coaching is bad...because of Dak's deficiencies. That's all we get treated to week after week. I wonder what other teams that are supposed to be good to great teams have a defense that can only play well when they have a lead...or, if there are other coaches that have philosophies/schemes that are so good, you could basically plug and play folks at various positions (including QB).
 

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Not at 60 mil.

I truly cannot figure out a team that would've paid him 60 besides us.
Given the ridiculous market inflation for QBs right now, I’m pessimistic other teams wouldn’t have thrown money at Dak like he’s a future HOF’er. However, putting him in that position by letting him walk was a potential domino that could have led to the QB market deflating and things settling into some sort of sanity where roster management for GMs could become easier without having to grossly overpay for a competent starting QB if Dak met stonewalled silence when he demanded $60 million from other teams. Regardless, our incompetent FO caved and gave into Dak’s demands and we subsequently didn’t get to see if other teams would have overpaid for his services.
 
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Like I just said to another poster, I can make the point that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak Crew make excuses for everyone NOT named Dak...according to you guys, the D sucks because of Dak's deficiencies. And, the coaching is bad...because of Dak's deficiencies.
First, I haven't always been so anti-Dak, but pretty neutral on him. He's been pretty good. He's been better than a lot of the bum QBs on the bottom feeders of the league. But lately I'm tired of him. He's not good enough and never will be. It's not going to change after 10 years. And so far this year after getting his record deal, he sucks.

Second, I never said he had anything to do with the defense being bad. That's a separate issue.

The real question is, why are you and others so defensive of Dak? Why are you so devoted to him? Don't you want the team to do well, or just for Dak to get his praise?
 

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Dude, I KNOW Mahomes is by far the better player. Stevie Wonder knows that. What I'm saying is that Mahomes hasn't MAHOMES many times this year, yet, their 5-0. Are they 5-0 SOLEY because of Mahomes? If you think this, then, you are absolutely right - we have nothing more to talk about.
They're not 5-0 if they have Dak. Mahomes isn't the sole reason for their record, but he definitely makes a difference, more so than Dak ever will.
 

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My man, respectfully, what are you talking about? We arent talking about Zeke, the OL, or anybody else in this thread. Its about Dak.

I gave prime examples of what im referring to in the op. Dez Bryant is cool with many if not most of the players on this team. He still went out and tweeted that the issues with this team ARENT daks fault. How can any credible person say that at this point? Posts like that contradict your point. If its isnt Daks fault, the blame is obviously cast at other areas of the team.

He needs to be called out when he plays poorly, period.
I think what Dez was trying to say was "the issues on this team are SOLELY Daks fault."

The fact you are trying to make it seem like Dez is defending Dak is laughable considering most people blame Dak for Dez being sent on his way. Dez isnt the type to just blow smoke to do it. Hes pretty outspoken.

This entire team needs to be called out. Constantly and a lot. Including Dak.
 

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Again, please show me where someone has given Dak a full pass on his bad play...I don't recall seeing almost anyone saying Dak isn't sucking right now. He is. But, this notion that everything falls on him is also quite laughable. In fact, I could make a counter argument that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak crew give nothing but excuses for everyone on this team NOT named Dak.
Stop arguing semantics. “A full pass on his bad play”. When guys like Stephen A, doesnt even have Dak as a top-5 reason why the Cowboys are this bad, my point stands.

Theres several threads on Zeke and about how terrible he is. Why is no one saying, “yea Zeke isnt playing well but the OL sucks!”?
 

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Given the ridiculous market inflation for QBs right now, I’m pessimistic other teams wouldn’t have thrown money at Dak like he’s a future HOF’er. However, putting him in that position by letting him walk was a potential domino that could have led to the QB market deflating and things settling into some sort of sanity where roster management for GMs could become easier without having to grossly overpay for a competent starting QB if Dak met stonewalled silence when he demanded $60 million from other teams. Regardless, our incompetent FO caved and gave into Dak’s demands and we subsequently didn’t get to see if other teams would have overpaid for his services.
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