Turpin as WR 2 or 3

[Pass2Run]

FYI, Jerry said during the Day 3 Post-Draft Press Conference that Will McClay was pounding the table for Jaydon Blue every day for 7 days before the Draft started. That shows how badly Will McClay in agreement with Coach Schottenheimer wanted Jaydon Blue and why Blue would be so important to helping Dak and this Cowboys offense. It starts at the 4:30 minute mark in the video below...

No idea........but he's no good to us as a 4th or 5th guy. In other words, his value for us is 2nd or 3rd WR. Anything less makes him a progress stopper IMO.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampPa00.htm

He's a lot like Matthew Golden.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I remember the fly routes Dallas tried with Turpin last year when both Dak and Rush threw absolute dimes....that were incomplete. Turpin is barely 5'7 and the corners of today are just too big and fast to use him that way. You're not going to get the ball over the head of a 6 foot to 6'2 corner to drop it into Turp's bread basket.

Turpin needs to be used on deep slants and crosses where he can separate from the defender laterally. He's a gadget player and not a true number two receiver.

 

[thunderpimp91]

you know look at their names you'd think they were better but go look at last year Tolbert and put them side by side with Samuels and Cooper kup and Michael Gallup and some of the others that they want now look at him compared to Keenan Allen's numbers and Amarin Cooper's

Look at their numbers, then compare how much Tolbert played compared to those other guys. Nothing against Tolbert, but he got WR1 snaps and gave you WR3 production. Putting up the same numbers as Cooper Kupp is nice until you realize one player did it in 17 games and the other took just 12.

 

[Pass2Run]

Taking that physicality into the run game and making life difficult on some finesse CBs is the hope.

Part of it. Everyone saw Deebo with him. But I would agree that's one of the reasons they like him. We'll see though. I still want to see Cropper in preseason.

I won't lie though. I think Mingo can also be one of those players that just take a bit longer to develop.

Plus, lots of awful throws to him last year.

 

[tyke1doe]

Too small. He likely can't handle a WR2 role for an entire season.

 

[Pass2Run]

I remember the fly routes Dallas tried with Turpin last year when both Dak and Rush threw absolute dimes....that were incomplete. Turpin is barely 5'7 and the corners of today are just too big and fast to use him that way. You're not going to get the ball over the head of a 6 foot to 6'2 corner to drop it into Turp's bread basket.

Turpin needs to be used on deep slants and crosses where he can separate from the defender laterally. He's a gadget player and not a true number two receiver.

So Tolbert would have to be #2. I think this could be the year he finally grows at that level. Given what his first year looked like, he really turned a corner last year. So it's reasonable to expect another jump in his performance this year.

Still, I'm envisioning Turp in mostly the slot position with Lamb and Tolbert wide.

Prolly won't work. But I still think you can find ways to utilize him, especially in shorter or longer passing situations. Not so much the intermediate routes.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

So Tolbert would have to be #2. I think this could be the year he finally grows at that level. Given what his first year looked like, he really turned a corner last year. So it's reasonable to expect another jump in his performance this year.

Still, I'm envisioning Turp in mostly the slot position with Lamb and Tolbert wide.

Consistency is the issue with Tolbert. But he did lead the team with seven TD grabs last year; which kind of tells me Dak, Lamb, and Ferguson were beat up. But still a nice stat for Tolbert.

 

[blueblood70]

Consistency is the issue with Tolbert. But he did lead the team with seven TD grabs last year; which kind of tells me Dak, Lamb, and Ferguson were beat up. But still a nice stat for Tolbert.

I realize people are down on Tolbert but look at all the guys this year that either went in a trade brought back out of retirement or in free agency some of the wide receivers that were discussed here like Keenan Allen Amari Cooper Cooper Cup Brandin Cooks and Debo Samuels and Michael Gallup.y I mean I could go post for you but this is what it looks like he's at least stacked up pretty close to how they had their last year or last couple years they haven't been very good I mean if you're saying Tobert's not very good then neither are a lot of these names being chucked around maybe they will be better this year I don't know but one's under a rookie contract and others are making 8 million or more huh which would you rather have the rookie contract guy who seems to be getting better every year even if it's in slow increments or the others because they have a bigger name on the back of their jersey and take up more of your salary cap?
There's a few I'm not doing all of them for you but Brandon cooks worse than any of those guys on the list got 6 million or more I mean do we need to put up other guys I mean who else went that was in that same group that people seem to want here over Tolbert? Take a hard look at those stats if I didn't put any names on them I think maybe you might look and say he was probably as good or better than anyone on that list just talking about last year how do you know he's not going to take another small step this year?

I believe Cooper kupp may have gotten 13 million and his stats were slightly better and maybe he will be better the next couple of years but his last year numbers were down a lot..

Kupps 2024 regular season stats
67
Yds
710
Y/R
10.6
TD
6

Debo
Rec
51

Yds
670
Y/R
13.1
TD
3

K allen
Rec
70
Yds
744
Y/R
10.6
TD
7


Tolbert
49
Yds
610
Y/R
12.4
TD
7

Amari
Rec
44
Yds
547
Y/R
12.4
TD
4

 

[thunderpimp91]

I realize people are down on Tolbert but look at all the guys this year that either went in a trade brought back out of retirement or in free agency some of the wide receivers that were discussed here like Keenan Allen Amari Cooper Cooper Cup Brandin Cooks and Debo Samuels and Michael Gallup.y I mean I could go post for you but this is what it looks like he's at least stacked up pretty close to how they had their last year or last couple years they haven't been very good I mean if you're saying Tobert's not very good then neither are a lot of these names being chucked around maybe they will be better this year I don't know but one's under a rookie contract and others are making 8 million or more huh which would you rather have the rookie contract guy who seems to be getting better every year even if it's in slow increments or the others because they have a bigger name on the back of their jersey and take up more of your salary cap?
There's a few I'm not doing all of them for you but Brandon cooks worse than any of those guys on the list got 6 million or more I mean do we need to put up other guys I mean who else went that was in that same group that people seem to want here over Tolbert? Take a hard look at those stats if I didn't put any names on them I think maybe you might look and say he was probably as good or better than anyone on that list just talking about last year how do you know he's not going to take another small step this year?

I believe Cooper kupp may have gotten 13 million and his stats were slightly better and maybe he will be better the next couple of years but his last year numbers were down a lot..

Kupps 2024 regular season stats
67
Yds
710
Y/R
10.6
TD
6

Debo
Rec
51

Yds
670
Y/R
13.1
TD
3

K allen
Rec
70
Yds
744
Y/R
10.6
TD
7


Tolbert
49
Yds
610
Y/R
12.4
TD
7

Amari
Rec
44
Yds
547
Y/R
12.4
TD
4

Gotta add in though...

Kupp - 12 games played, 357 passing routes
Deebo - 15 games, 420 routes
Allen - 15 games, 546 routes
Cooper - 14 games, 375 routes
Tolbert - 17 games played, 553 routes

Of those 5 you listed Tolbert played the most games, ran the most routes, and was 4th in yards. The only player to come close to Tolbert in number of opportunities was Allen.

Availability matters and kudos to Tolbert for being able to stay on the field, but you can'[t judge players based off of the counting stats without some context. Thats like saying Bucky Irving and Najee Harris are the same quality because they were both 1000 yard rushers this year and neglecting the fact that Harris needed an extra 50 carries to get there.

 

[gimmesix]

He did a lot with the reps he had last year. So give him more reps..... I feel like, right now, Jalen Tolbert might be better than the available options in FA. I also feel like Turpin can be a 2 or at least 3. He's really improved as a player. His next leap would have to be refining his route running. But I truly feel our starting lineup can be Lamb, Tolbert and Turpin. It has the potential to be a lethal combination if both Tolbert and Turpin can reach their highest potential. Like they may not be the tallest or biggest. But the potential for them to be one of the best trios in the league is there if the staff can maximize these players.

Not feeling good about Tolbert as the No. 2, but Mickey Spagnola wrote this about Turpin:

Plus, Cowboys head coach Brian Schottenheimer told me after the draft that with Turpin's growth and the "flexibility" of this offense the plan is to take better advantage of his speed and ability to play more extensively at wide receiver. Can't wait to see this.

 

[GMO415]

Turpin is too short to be a major WR weapon. His lack of height and weight (5'9", 152 lbs) is what keeps him at only receiving 5-10 passing snaps on offense.

Put him in the backfield for option plays.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Put him in the backfield for option plays.

Absolutely, brother @GMO415 .

Imagine having Turpin and Blue lined in the backfield in a swing T alignment? Could set one of them in motion as a receiver while using the other as a RB. Opposing defenses will have to account for both speedy players on the field at the same time, and this would help CeeDee get single coverage instead of being double teamed so much.

 

[exciter]

He did a lot with the reps he had last year. So give him more reps..... I feel like, right now, Jalen Tolbert might be better than the available options in FA. I also feel like Turpin can be a 2 or at least 3. He's really improved as a player. His next leap would have to be refining his route running. But I truly feel our starting lineup can be Lamb, Tolbert and Turpin. It has the potential to be a lethal combination if both Tolbert and Turpin can reach their highest potential. Like they may not be the tallest or biggest. But the potential for them to be one of the best trios in the league is there if the staff can maximize these players.

Turpin isn’t a good enough route runner to be more than a situational slot and 4th WR in 4 receiver sets.
Considering they gave him a 3yr contract there may be some pressure to get him on the field in more situations but since they line up Lamb in the slot on 75 to 80% of the plays he’s not going to start. Even in those situations I’d be inclined to think Flournoy might be the better option!

 

[Pass2Run]

Look at their numbers, then compare how much Tolbert played compared to those other guys. Nothing against Tolbert, but he got WR1 snaps and gave you WR3 production. Putting up the same numbers as Cooper Kupp is nice until you realize one player did it in 17 games and the other took just 12.

How many targets did Lamb take away from him tho?

 

[BHendri5]

Turpin is and need to be what he is a special teams kick returner and sometimes Wr when they can get him in the game or get a mismatch on defense with him, emergency Wr in case of an injury, but more like a 5/6th receiver

 

[Wildcat711]

If nothing else.. our assistant wide receivers coach can teach them about having great hair.. lol

Best hair in football !!

If I knew how to post pic's I would.. it's something else.

 

[quickccc]

He did a lot with the reps he had last year. So give him more reps..... I feel like, right now, Jalen Tolbert might be better than the available options in FA. I also feel like Turpin can be a 2 or at least 3. He's really improved as a player. His next leap would have to be refining his route running. But I truly feel our starting lineup can be Lamb, Tolbert and Turpin. It has the potential to be a lethal combination if both Tolbert and Turpin can reach their highest potential. Like they may not be the tallest or biggest. But the potential for them to be one of the best trios in the league is there if the staff can maximize these players.

- Turpin is an Pro bowl caliber returner - maybe the best in NFL

- He is at his very best when he can be free up and Un-touched in space - whether as a receiver or a returner, imo.

- Scheme to get him on the move and into space/open field as creative & often as possible.

- the more knowledgeable fans know he' not He's a WR2 but in certain spot roles and packages, he can be a very lethal, dangerous- whether broken open field
across the deep middle, smoke-bubble screens, jet- sweeps, or vertical deep -go/fly routes particularly in bunched formations/rub routes
where he can immediately get into open in a blink.

- He's not near as effective when he is pressed jammed at the line and opposing CBs can disrupt his release off the line.
He won't be one to out-jump and contest battles jump ball down the sideline.

- Very Surprisingly he ran well as a tailback when given some in the backfield opportunities.

- it's simply up to the new coaches to prove they can properly scheme Turpin

 

[chuck520]

If the Cowboys use him correctly. Hopefully Schotty is more offensive savvy than his dad was.

On a side note Marty actually had a successful team in Washington but they were boring. They where tough though defensively with Lavar and company.

Marty had good teams everywhere except Washington, he only had one season there and he was 8-8

 

[Pass2Run]

Marty had good teams everywhere except Washington, he only had one season there and he was 8-8

Those Kansas City teams were always solid.

 

[noshame]

Turpin can run fly patterns and work in the slot where he CAN be effective. If somebody pulls the trigger.