RB 1/2 Punch

[CATCH17]

Those teams have much better pedigree at the position than Dallas right now. Javonte Williams is the guy, right now, and he averaged 4.0 a carry last season, and I don't put much stock in 5th n 7th round RBs. I'm not bashing this group, but I am being realistic...they need help.

Blue is not some Gibbs clone he's closer to Lance Dunbar than Gibbs. Mafah could be a steal in the 7th. Again, this isn't enough they should look into Chubb, Dobbins or Foreman as some more competition in the room.

I disagree..

Blue is clearly above average receiving. He did this in the SEC as well.

He runs harder than you would think.

He’s in the exact same mold as Jahmyr Gibbs.

Im not saying he will be Gibbs but their play style is identical and they might be equals as receivers and in speed.

 

[Aven8]

I don’t think what’s being discussed enough was the draft broadcast saying there were some of our team scouts who had Blue as RB 3 in the entire draft.

I did not hear that. That’s nuts if true

 

[BrassCowboy]

RB1 Javonte Williams
RB2 Phil Mafah
RB3 Jaydon Blue/Miles Sanders
RB4 Duece Vaughn

The Cowboys really don't value RBs lol. From a power running game standpoint the Javonte/Mafah 1-2 combo should be decent. Blue is fast, but as an overall RB I have several questions, so he's a niche player imo kinda like Turpin. Miles n Duece are receiving RBs too, so the deciding factor may be do the coaches value the speed and possible upside of Blue over the more well rounded skill set of Sanders/Vaughn.

it is more like:

RB1 Javonte Williams/Phil Mafah
RB2 Jaydon Blue/Miles Sanders
RB3 Duece Vaughn

It will be run much like we had when we did Ezekial Elliot and Tony Pollard with RB1 and RB2 IMO but we definitely need to get RBs more in the passing receiving game which you can put both Jaydon Blue and Javonte on the field at same time seeing Jaydon and Javonte are both really good pass catchers and ironically they both can block in the backfield as well.

 

[mattyice]

Blue is pretty good.

I think the concern for me is that he’s probably not your every down type guy, which is what this team needed.

However, I’ve always felt Blue was way closer to Jamyr Gibbs than he was to Deuce Vaughn like some are suggesting.

And if he is, and brought along slowly like the Lions did with Gibbs, then I think everyone will be happy with this pick in due time.

Another WR can make these backs better - ie Allen - Amari.
If not, teams will creep the safeties up and it’ll be the same story as last year stuff to run and dare us to beat them through the air- which we cannot and did not.

This right here

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Absent injuries, there is absolutely zero chance Vaughn make the final roster.

If Mafah can play, it starts to look a little crowded even without Vaughn. Is Dallas really keeping 4 RB's/HB's? What about Luepke? Dallas might have to release one of the newly signed JAG's.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I like Mafah, he'll be a pet cat, but he's still a seventh rounder.

We need an actual lead dog talent at tailback, not to throw a bunch of late-round picks at the wall and hope something sticks.

Just because Zeke at #4 overall was a mistake doesn't mean you never pick one before the fourth round.

Excellent Post.

 

[NDGAEDE]

we still need a lead back. Mafah looks OK, but too clunky and lumbering for a top guy. Javonte had like 3 yds per carry and Sanders is washed.

I think our starting back is going to come in training camp, after cuts, or forced through a trade. We need to do something because yeah, we updated our speed and pass catching ability at the position, but the starters are arguably a downgrade to Dowdle.

 

[75boyz]

we still need a lead back. Mafah looks OK, but too clunky and lumbering for a top guy. Javonte had like 3 yds per carry and Sanders is washed.

I think our starting back is going to come in training camp, after cuts, or forced through a trade. We need to do something because yeah, we updated our speed and pass catching ability at the position, but the starters are arguably a downgrade to Dowdle.

I agree.
Dowdle's still better than any on the roster now.

 

[blueblood70]

I think like a lot of players coming out of UT, Blue was underutilized because of all the depth that they have. They’ve had back after quality back for the past couple of years. Sark is hard headed at how he uses players as well

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First time since I've said it people don't realize that is why our wide receivers and tight ends when I say we I mean I'm a long haul in pain i'm a homer they spread the ball around so much they're 5 deep at running back and 5 deep at receiver steve Sarkisian likes to spread the ball around but I can guarantee you this every time the offense was in a funk they counted on Jayden Blue to make a play and he almost always came through he can run catch he's not a three down workhorse but this dude can definitely be a Tony Pollard type but he's built like Jamir Gibbs and if people don't see it he got the same height weight and speed as Jamir Gibbs and they say he should be a 3rd down back only?

Is Jamir Gibbs a third down back only they're built the same and again I think he dropped not just because his production is to fumbles if he gets his fumbles under control he's going to be a weapon this is not Deuce Vaughn this is not gadget man this is a player who can play the position if given the opportunity he's going to make some electric plays..

 

[blueblood70]

Phil Mafah is a dog. I watched some tape very briefly pre draft but just took a few hours and dude can play. Physical, good contact balance and what surprised me most, dude can fly for his size. Would not be shocked if he runs mid 4.55, multiple long runs

IMO our day 1 starter, and an amazing compliment to Blue

Blue is the most dynamic RB in the draft, elite speed and a really good receiving threat. We should use him exactly like Gibbs

If we can give them both 12-16 touches a game we’ll be in a great spot

I didn't know much about him either and I had to go look at his videos and I started looking at clips videos and feedback this guys got a little bit of Martinez you know the Miami guy that some of us wanted he's got a little bit of Cameron Scatterboo in him he can play i'm not saying he's going to be a 3 down player but I think these two players together I think you're going to be a lot better than people think..

I mean if we want to keep the comps Dallas Cowboys only I see Mahfa being a whole lot like Marion Barber i'm not saying he is Marion Barber I know probably given the situation I shouldn't bring it up but that's who my eys see.

When I look at a Dallas cowboy it's gotta be Tony Pollard for Jayden Blue but again he's built like Jamir Gibbs he's got the same height weight and speed and somehow people are looking at blue as some kind of 3rd down back that's going to get 8 carries a game no if this coaching staff is smarter than the last one you know Mike mccarthy staff that doesn't know how to use turbine didn't know how to bring in Vaughn didn't even know how to use Hunter as a full back if they're smart they can get something out of this current running back group some of them are not going to be here but Sanders Williams and these two rookies they can form a pretty good group.. Now it sounds like a dirty word running back by committee but most nfl teams lose use at least two players now some use 3 there's very few one back teams anymore...

 

[blueblood70]

it is more like:

RB1 Javonte Williams/Phil Mafah
RB2 Jaydon Blue/Miles Sanders
RB3 Duece Vaughn

It will be run much like we had when we did Ezekial Elliot and Tony Pollard with RB1 and RB2 IMO but we definitely need to get RBs more in the passing receiving game which you can put both Jaydon Blue and Javonte on the field at same time seeing Jaydon and Javonte are both really good pass catchers and ironically they both can block in the backfield as well.

Both of you guys putting deuce on this team as lock??

look ,as much as I like the guy I have been promoting the guy...

I don't think he can make it malik Davis, deuce, hunter, and one of those two dudes in Miles Sanders and Williams are probably going to have a hard time making this team, but that's what training camps for i's not saying they won't but you guys all have Vaughn making this roster and I'm not sure he will..

This could be a full on big time camp competition all these guys I mean it might be the best competition we had in a while there's nobody that's going to be penciled in and I realized we don't cut rookies but I like competition and with the way they address the offensive line there's going to be a lot of competition there it could be a fun camp and preseason to watch because I think they're all playing these dudes ain't sitting now there is no wait till game on to see any of these running backs they're playing they're going to play all camp all scrimmages and all preseason games and we're going to see who gets what who wins..

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I agree.
Dowdle's still better than any on the roster now.

Jerry could have kept Dowdle for just a little bit more than he spent on the 2 JAG's he brought in.

Dowdle and Blue would have been a nice one-two punch.

 

[Mr_437]

I disagree..

Blue is clearly above average receiving. He did this in the SEC as well.

He runs harder than you would think.

He’s in the exact same mold as Jahmyr Gibbs.

Im not saying he will be Gibbs but their play style is identical and they might be equals as receivers and in speed.

I think Blue is faster, but Gibbs is more elusive, has better vision, and is a better receiver. I will say, I don't now how much Stark limited Blue. I hope Blue can grow to be on the level of Gibbs because he has the skill set. So, it would be great if you're totally right on Blue.

it is more like:

RB1 Javonte Williams/Phil Mafah
RB2 Jaydon Blue/Miles Sanders
RB3 Duece Vaughn

It will be run much like we had when we did Ezekial Elliot and Tony Pollard with RB1 and RB2 IMO but we definitely need to get RBs more in the passing receiving game which you can put both Jaydon Blue and Javonte on the field at same time seeing Jaydon and Javonte are both really good pass catchers and ironically they both can block in the backfield as well.

Ok, I see how you got mapped out, and it's very possible until I get to Duece as RB3. Let's say JW n Blue are the 1-2 punch as you project. Do you feel Duece is going to beat out Miles n Mafah?

I'm lean more to having another big RB oppose to another scatback.

Overall, if Blue is the change of pace Gibbs/Pollard RB2 does Dallas need a better thunder RB?

 

[Mr_437]

Just on their sizes alone I dont think Williams and mafah should be one and two because I don't see a change of pace there. It would have to be either or at one and blue at two.

No way you have both those big guys at 1 and 2 and blue at 3 just sitting there.

You're correct, I didn't lay it out properly. I view JW n Mafah as the workhorse RBs that will tag team doing the tough running and rotating. I view Blue as having a clear defined 3rd down RB role, but if Blue can actually elevate to the level of taking 8 to 12 carries a game, that would be great.

 

[Havic]

I expect Blue to have a Tony Pollard type role for us with either Williams or Mafah as our physical backs. I'm not sure Miles Sanders will make the roster, it really comes down to him and Williams. Vaughn is Deuces.

 

[blueblood70]

I agree.
Dowdle's still better than any on the roster now.

WRONG.. This is hilarious the year before last nobody even thought Rico should make the roster let alone you're now saying we should regret and rule the day we let him go you do realize it's good to season he has you can give Williams the ball that many times in the same situation and he can do the same thing he had nothing special to offer except for he could keep taking the ball and toting the rock he had two total touchdowns last year 2@!!! 1 receiving that he bobbled for about 30 minutes before he caught it even though it was thrown perfectly to him and then one rushing touchdown, he has one big run ie 20 yards , that's it this dude is about a plane jane running back as you can find they can get 1000 yards you just keep handing him the ball..

He had no wiggle no burst no long speed, I mean there was nothing special about him except that he worked really hard and he made a lot of effort..... Don't get me wrong I really like the guy fan favorite pet cat blah blah blah...

We will see how this works out and then we can keep a receipt we can come back to this conversation because you all this dismissing what the coaches had brought in to this point and can bring in even more with the run game especially when they're revamping this offensive line... I believe this run game will be improved and one of these running backs on this roster right now will be better than Rico...

 

[blueblood70]

I disagree..

Blue is clearly above average receiving. He did this in the SEC as well.

He runs harder than you would think.

He’s in the exact same mold as Jahmyr Gibbs.

Im not saying he will be Gibbs but their play style is identical and they might be equals as receivers and in speed.

 

[tm1119]

A lot of people forgetting that special teams exist trying to make up this running back room. You can’t keep Miles Sanders or Deuce as the back because they bring 0 ST value. Not sure if Mafa brings ST value, but he will have to figure it out if he wants a career.

 

[blueblood70]

Those teams have much better pedigree at the position than Dallas right now. Javonte Williams is the guy, right now, and he averaged 4.0 a carry last season, and I don't put much stock in 5th n 7th round RBs. I'm not bashing this group, but I am being realistic...they need help.

Blue is not some Gibbs clone he's closer to Lance Dunbar than Gibbs. Mafah could be a steal in the 7th. Again, this isn't enough they should look into Chubb, Dobbins or Foreman as some more competition in the room.

You're delusional we could all sit here and keep telling you you're wrong this is not lucky Whitehead this is not Lance Dunbar no this is not even to shard choice he is as close to Tony Pollard as we can get before injury yes Tony Pollard that was playing really well when given the opportunities to run at least 10 plus times a game behind Ezekiel Elliott ,but his real NFL comp his real ceiling if he can reach it would be Jamir Gibbs ,he's exactly the same height ,size, and has the same exact speed, but somehow he's a different player to you???!!

no he didn't get the opportunities in college it was a loaded room of running backs and wide receivers and a spread offense Steve Sarkisian moved a ball around so much ,he didn't just give one guy a chance to be you know A CD lamb from two years ago where he got all the touches all the glory and all the yards that's not how the Longhorn offense runs they're all interchangeable, that's why there's not a big difference between Matthew Golden, Worthy, and Isaiah Bond other than the criminal charges, a lot of these guys were brought over so they didn't miss a beat when one was missing 1 graduated 1 moved into the portal, he had interchangeable pieces...

And again,

I get it nobody here is going to really know what kind of career any of these players are going to have until he gets actual real opportunities, this is not deuce ,I love deuce by the way I still hope he makes the team, but this isn't the little guy that we keep cheering for like a pet cat that would be Vaughn, i've been hoping that they would use him right for two years now but the old coaching staff just doesn't understand how to utilize talent because turf in Vaughan ,Hunter none of them hell they even ruining Ferguson's career..

Stop telling you right now we can come back and revisit this but Jayden Blue given real opportunities and if he can get over the fumbling issues is the only reason he dropped in a loaded running back draft so once again he gets buried behind a lot of running backs he's going to surprise a lot of people and have a very good career he just needs the opportunities...

He got buried on that Longhorn running backroom but as soon as they gave him real opportunities last year with all the injuries he stepped up big time both receiving and running he was the spark plug for the Longhorns I watched every one of their games because I'm a long horned fan and no I'm not a homer not guaranteeing success for this guy but I'm telling you he is not a gadget guy...

 

[blueblood70]

I did not hear that. That’s nuts if true

Was an analytics ranking I think he was almost ranked number one but top three in some kind of weird category overall athleticism you know when he took into account a touchdowns and speed and his combine he was top 3 yep and the entire draft in running backs but it's just analytics that they don't mean a whole lot right...

I saw it yesterday somewhere and I can't find it but it's some it's like a QBR for a quarterback I don't know what they took all into account but he was very very high in it some kind of athletic ranking it wasn't just his speed it was everything I mean the dude did have eight rushing touchdowns and only 135 attempts he also had six receiving touchdowns And have like 14 touchdowns with very limited touches he was electric he always seemed to be a spark plug for the Longhorns if their hat were struggling early in a game with their offense that's who they went with..

Only time will tell who this player really is but anybody dismissing this hint guy and calling him do spawn or lucky Whitehead or anybody like that is annoying and we'll see somebody'd going to be right and somebody is going to be wrong but I watched him he didn't get the opportunity because he was buried on that depth chart but anytime they called upon him he made a play..

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RB

15

134

730

5.4

8

48.7

42

368

8.8

6

24.5

176

1098

6.2

14

thats In limited action 730 yards that's 5.4 yards per carry that's regular carries like a regular running back they weren't all stretched to the outside he was a normal running back then he has 368 receiving yards and six touchdowns that's 14 total touchdowns on less than two hundred touches.. And if anybody watched some of those catches were absolutely difficult sideline over the shoulder they weren't just dumped down and using his speed..

Again not predicting greatness I just think he's one of those guys with low mileage that people don't realize can really play and until they play him and realize he probably has a better chance of being Jamir Gibbs then some of the nonsense I'm Hearing like calling this guy lucky Whitehead is insane!

I mean we already know who lucky Whitehead guys like him that's Turpin nothing against Turpin but he's the undersized guy that has a very limited range in his speeds pretty much all he has and I like Turpin we're talking about a running back here not a receiver not a special teams guy this is a pure running back who isn't a three down power back but can offer a lot to an offense and we don't got to worry about his mileage his wear and tear because he's got a lot to offer..