Mike Florio tough on Cowboys

[Sydla]

Mike isnt a fan of Mr Jerry Jones

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...s-was-working-on-its-been-crickets-ever-since

He's likely not wrong.

Jerry and his dope of a son are masters of PR so it's not exactly unlikely they talked about all these trades just to make it seem like they were working on improving the roster when in fact they had no real interest in making any trades.

 

[fivetwos]

He's likely not wrong.

Jerry and his dope of a son are masters of PR so it's not exactly unlikely they talked about all these trades just to make it seem like they were working on improving the roster when in fact they had no real interest in making any trades.

I had the same thought.

Shouldn’t EVERY GM be “working on trades” around draft time?

They just love to talk and are constantly in the mode of “see, we are not idiots, we are doing our jobs.”

 

[Proof]

I'm not a fan of Jerry either, but Florio still has one of the most punchable faces in America.

never heard that. just a regular guy imo.

 

[Proof]

He has been around football his entire life, and has played for a championship college team. He has owned the Cowboys since 1989. Won 3 SB's inspire of the haters saying it was all Jimmy.
It is safe to say he knows football.

He does actually know much more about football than most on here posting how much they think they know.
No he is not a football genius, but he knows more than most on here.
I am not by any means defending him. Just using common sense and logic. This FO has failed us as fans the past 20 years.
Not 30 years. Did anyone truly think the team was not going to have down years after the triplets were gone. Did anyone expect deep playoff runs from say 2000 to 2006.

Fans are blinded by their hate and / or their homerism. And it shows.

It took the Hunts 50 years to get back to a SB. Apparently they knew nothing about football either. Where is the outrage there, just swept under the rug, since it does not fit a fans narrative. Until a guy named Mahomes came along they sucked at ownership from what fans are applying to Jerry.
Jerry has 20 more years to find his Mahomes if you compare it that way.

there was tons of chiefs outrage and apathy. what? lol. they were one of the laughingstocks of the league.

 

[jazzcat22]

We are nothing like KC who has had the same ownership family (the Hunts) for 60+ years. A family that hires a GM and holds him accountable for results The Hunt family delegates authority appropriately and let’s those people run football operations. We have an owner who hires himself and his kids with zero accountability.

The chiefs have one of the best GMs in sports in Brett Veach who worked really hard to scout Mahomes and move up in the 2017 draft to get him. And even more importantly, Veach understands the importance of building a great defense around his great QB. And uses trades, FA and smart cap management to support their generational talent at QB.

Like I said, the Hunt family is nothing like our ownership family.

And how can Jerry ever find the next Mahomes type QB if he never drafts one?

A great QB makes everyone looks like a genius.

 

[KingCorcoran]

A great QB makes everyone looks like a genius.

How does Hurts do it?

 

[jazzcat22]

How does Hurts do it?

Good point, well great surrounding team and both. He is one exception. And a great FO.
We know we do not have that here.

 

[Sydla]

A great QB makes everyone looks like a genius.

That's a cop out. The Chiefs are well run.

We are not. And it's all because the Jones boys are stubborn and don't acknowledge their own limitations. It's not because the Chiefs just ended up with Mahomes.

 

[jazzcat22]

That's a cop out. The Chiefs are well run.

We are not. And it's all because the Jones boys are stubborn and don't acknowledge their own limitations. It's not because the Chiefs just ended up with Mahomes.

Hmmm....the young around the rim for years ... until .... they got some insurance guy to QB.

 

[Sydla]

Hmmm....the young around the rim for years ... until .... they got some insurance guy to QB.

There are good QBs that don't win SBs.

The Chiefs are well run. To suggest otherwise is silly.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Good point, well great surrounding team and both. He is one exception. And a great FO.
We know we do not have that here.

Cowboys fans only have unrealistic hope. Hope Wilson is washed up. Reality is the Giants will have better quarterback play than last season. Hope Daniels has a sophomore slump. Reality is with a significantly better left tackle and accomplished new weapon, and one year of NFL experience, he’s going to be much better.

And hope Hurts does not get better. Most here think Milton can develop into a capable NFL quarterback though he’s shown next to nothing to date. Hurts, only 15 months older than Milton, somehow can’t develop. Even though he’s shown he’s already very capable. Reality Hurts is only now approaching his prime playing years.

The real hope is that the Cowboys don’t come in last place this season. Reality is they probably will.

 

[MarkP88]

Can't believe anyone is disputing what Florio said; it's obviously true.

 

[jazzcat22]

The real hope is that the Cowboys don’t come in last place this season. Reality is they probably will.

I have Dallas in 3rd place. I just can't see where NY has improved enough to say otherwise.
And that is not based on hope. That is just the reality of the situation.

I see Philly and Washington going neck and neck for the NFCE.
Unless one or both of those teams gets hit with the injury bug.

Until they show us on the field any different. Dallas is 3rd, and maybe, an outside shot at playoff spot #7. If they stay healthy.
One of the teams in NFCN needs to drop off as well as one in the NFCW.
Some team has to win the NFCS.

Right now, I will say Dallas is 8th, 9th or 10th in the NFC. Assuming SF will be healthy as well, and compete for a playoff spot.
Other teams that may improve for that last playoff spot as well, Falcons and Cardinals and Seattle.

As we all know, need to see it in real games 4 to 6 weeks into the season. May get an idea after 2 to 4 weeks.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I have Dallas in 3rd place. I just can't see where NY has improved enough to say otherwise.
And that is not based on hope. That is just the reality of the situation.

I see Philly and Washington going neck and neck for the NFCE.
Unless one or both of those teams gets hit with the injury bug.

Until they show us on the field any different. Dallas is 3rd, and maybe, an outside shot at playoff spot #7. If they stay healthy.
One of the teams in NFCN needs to drop off as well as one in the NFCW.
Some team has to win the NFCS.

Right now, I will say Dallas is 8th, 9th or 10th in the NFC. Assuming SF will be healthy as well, and compete for a playoff spot.
Other teams that may improve for that last playoff spot as well, Falcons and Cardinals and Seattle.

As we all know, need to see it in real games 4 to 6 weeks into the season. May get an idea after 2 to 4 weeks.

Most peculiar is the notion a quarterback, yet to turn 27, two Super Bowl appearances, one Super Bowl win and Super Bowl MVP, somehow is not all that good. On top of that, believing he cannot improve. How does that kind of thinking make any sense?

Yet here we all believe day three draft picks that have yet to see a minute of NFL football can change a team with a losing record into a contender. Like it’s a slam dunk. The Cowboys quarterback room is poor by NFL standards. There is no vet free agent QB to sign that will change that. They are going to be pushed by the Giants, even if Wilson is washed.

 

[TwentyOne]

Well im sorry you took it that way. On the contrary I am a very open person and not prejudiced to others as you state, i just have been attacked for having a positive view of some of jerrys accomplishments and have realized that there is nothing I can say here for many that they will agree to. Its self realization of the lack of many being able to have a rationale or pragmatic view.

So many here can't bifricate the owner jerry from the gm Jerry and it makes it tough when you respect one but detest the other if that makes any sense.

Who knows dude and for the record I enjoy your posts and discussions as well- all the best

Yep, i understand. If you get attacked over and over - and yes thats the main culture here sadly - you lose the eye for other stuff.

Anyways... no offense taken.

And in part you are right. Of course its an accomplishment to make money. To an degree. In an unregulateted market like the US where the first andformost (even a moral) value is to earn money. Regardless of consequences. Thats it. And i cant deny that Jones has done just that. with a lot of help from his father btw. He would be deep in depts and maybe prison if he hadnt had his dad pulling him out over and over again from his business failures. Jones is no successful businessman.

I just dont think that value (making money regardless) is worth following. So i dont think this is a accomplishment. But it is a systemic probem this country has: it supports the wrong values. But again i cant argue against values that are accepted there.

Then there is the other issue i have: Most rich people in the US "spent" money for philantrophical things. Thats right. It just not the way it should be done imo. And its not the main purpose why they do that.

In reality these people found franchises they own. Hand over the money to that Business where they still have full control over the money. They then decide what these businesses do with their money. Those franchises are called philanthropicals on paper just because their business form is named like that. but what they do with the money is not known. Zuckerberg does this as does gates and so on. i dont want to say those people dont want to do something good to a certain degress. but the main goal is to move the money over to a business that is more or less Tax free. Have full control over it. And have great PR. thise businesses often invest in techs the main franchise of the owner needs. Plain and simple its just a way to hide/wash money.

Its a common apppach and is done more or less in the whole World. To say or think they do this because they want to accomplish something for humanity is naiv to say the least.

The way to do it would be pay all your taxes to the community (that would be the gouvernment) and let the majority decide what to do with it. How to help others. thats a social and democratic approach. The other side is just one guy controlling everything. Thats called autocracy or oligarchy. Well when i look to the US these days i think most people there know about that very well.

So no. I dont think what Jerry does is an accomplishment nor should he be handed accolades for it. The oposite is the case.

Of course you can. But that just says: well i support anti social, egocentric and selfish behaviour. I support that people earn money regardless what happens to others by that.
You can. And thats ok. Just not what i value and i am happy to be in the great position to live far away from those conditions.

 

[Bobhaze]

As I said, I made my comment and stick by it.
He can know football but just has not made it work to build a team post Jimmy. Not a SB caliber team anyway. And yes they had some very good teams. It just didn’t work out well.

Many teams are and we’re in the same position. They build teams but can’t get to the SB either.

Jazz my friend, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. If in your opinion, Jerry is a “football guy” capable of taking us to at least a divisional playoff win…I support your right to have that opinion, although I disagree.

In my opinion, Jerry Jones is the biggest problem this franchise has. He’s not the only one - just the biggest. Because 31 other teams have owners who all hire a GM who has a set amount of time to get their teams to playoff success. If they don’t, they are replaced. Not here. We are stuck with Jerry and/or Stephen, no matter what the results are.