Michael Irvin is beyond excited about Pickens trade says Cowboys are playoff-bound

blueblood70 said:
No that's not true but you can keep pushing it if you want is that where you want to go I mean I literally also have 30,000 likes you know reactions good bad or indifferent somebody'd reading it and apparently I've got you on the hook you're triggered and you won't let it go OK dad I got better things to do than talk to you today so I'll be seeing you around some other day or not probably not...
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That’s funny…I’m not triggered at all. I actually find you quite fascinating.

You suggest I am triggered, yet every post you make sounds like you large running around with your hair on fire. You started this conversation, not me. I don’t respond to your rants not directed at me and in my perfect world, I would earn your ignore button.

Again, self awareness…look it up. It can even be more valuable for your mental well being than the ignore button.

I’m also going to give you a like since that seems important to you and I’m all about helping others with their mental wellbeing.
 
Jipper said:
I'm actually more worried about the health of the cbs and having to start the season with a bunch of backups, in addition to the challenge of the interior dline. Hopefully overshown comes back healthy too.

On paper st least offense looks mich more formidable than defense but a lot can happen in TC - just for once I'd love to see the team blessed with health...but hearing what the players say about the lack of training staff i am going to surmise we continue to have soft tissue issues
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They aren’t starting the season with a bunch of backups. Did you forget about Bland? Also, they drafted a 1st rd talent in Revel Jr. Also, the best medicine for a good secondary is a good pass rush. They drafted another pass rushing DE with 1st rd talent in Ezeiruaku, Him, Parsons, Fowler and Williams.

I’d like to see a team by team breakdown on soft tissue injuries. Does Dallas have more than every other team?
 
Spottswoode said:
So are you saying you were exaggerating or was he one of the worst teammates in their history. Your post didn’t say anything about Tomlin other than he likes WR’s which is odd. And everything I have read said he was liked by his teammates.
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Well, you must not read much. I'll just start this for you since you seem to have taken an interest.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/new...-steelers-george-pickens-massive-fine-week-18

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/amid-ugly-receiver-history-steelers-193853058.html
 
DandyDon52 said:
You ever think maybe pickens wanted out of pittsburgh ?? so he did stuff so they would want to trade him, and gee look where he landed !
A player like him would love to play for cowboys, as opposed to pittsburgh, or even worse cleveland.
They also have to live in those citys, which makes a big difference to some guys.

He is saying all the right things now, so I will wait and judge him after this season.

Tomlin is IMO overrated, he hasnt done anything since rothelisburger (sp) who made him look better than he actually is.
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Pickens is a moron. He was a moron at UGA. He was a moron in Pittsburgh. But, I'm sure he was just playing everybody so he could land in Dallas on a 1 year deal.
 
atlantacowboy said:
Well, you must not read much. I'll just start this for you since you seem to have taken an interest.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/new...-steelers-george-pickens-massive-fine-week-18

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/amid-ugly-receiver-history-steelers-193853058.html
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No, I am well aware of his transgressions (mostly on the field). I was replying to your comment that Pickens is one of the worst teammates in the Steelers history. I haven’t seen much to suggest he was an issue with his teammates. Quite the contrary, most of what I have heard was that he was liked by his teammates.

I agree he has much to prove. I also believe that Tomlin doesn’t suffer fools gladly and likely has little patience with a lack of discipline or self control, which is what I think is the problem with Pickens. This isn’t the first time he has had an issue with a WR and likely not the last.
 
Spottswoode said:
No, I am well aware of his transgressions (mostly on the field). I was replying to your comment that Pickens is one of the worst teammates in the Steelers history. I haven’t seen much to suggest he was an issue with his teammates. Quite the contrary, most of what I have heard was that he was liked by his teammates.

I agree he has much to prove. I also believe that Tomlin doesn’t suffer fools gladly and likely has little patience with a lack of discipline or self control, which is what I think is the problem with Pickens. This isn’t the first time he has had an issue with a WR and likely not the last.
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Pickens was constantly late to meetings and was even late to the Christmas Day game against KC. He had all the red flags at UGA that he had in Pittsburgh. Thats why he fell to round 2. Tomlin thought he could set this kid right and develop him. He gave up. This is a one year rental. I'm more pissed that we gave up the 3rd round pick. As a Cowboy fan, about all I have to look forward to every year in regard to hope is the NFL draft. Now, I feel less hopeful.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
Pickens was constantly late to meetings and was even late to the Christmas Day game against KC. He had all the red flags at UGA that he had in Pittsburgh. Thats why he fell to round 2. Tomlin thought he could set this kid right and develop him. He gave up. This is a one year rental. I'm more pissed that we gave up the 3rd round pick. As a Cowboy fan, about all I have to look forward to every year in regard to hope is the NFL draft. Now, I feel less hopeful.
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I’m aware of all of that. It’s been posted before and it sounds like we both agree that he has much to prove. But I’m not sure how one would even qualify where he ranks as a teammate in the Steelers 90 year history.

Personally, I think his issue was mostly with Tomlin, not his teammates. I also question whether he would have been traded if they hadn’t signed Metcalf to a $150M contract, but I guess we will never know.

And I’m not ready to concede this is a 1 year rental. If he ends up commanding top dollar (which I don’t think he will), we will get a good comp pick back. I agree that’s not ideal but IMO, it’s worth the risk.

However, if he can be had on a reasonable contract for the position, I think the Cowboy’s will attempt to keep him. While Jerry does some confusing things, I can’t imagine he made this trade with the intention of it being a 1 year rental. That doesn’t sound like Jerry.

Finding a way to keep a player, even if they are past their shelf life, which Pickens isn’t, sounds more like Jerry. Keeping a player you spent capital on to avoid acknowledging a mistake sounds more like Jerry. And historically we do seem to have a fairly high tolerance these types players.

But I can see how others might disagree with my opinions.
 
DandyDon52 said:
Well that is something we just have to wait and see what happens.
I think Shotty is a better HC than most think, and I am hoping that he is better at
getting the team prepared for big games, and has better game plans, and can ad lib
during games they are losing.

I think we will see a vastly different cowboys team this Sept !
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Well...okay. I'm a bit weary of "talk"...especially so early. Stop talking and show us.

(not you, Mr. Don...you good. :) )
 
blueblood70 said:
No it's not it's good mental wellness to put people that are nothing but annoying trolls on ignore most of them don't even know they're on ignore so no this is not cowardly why do you think that that's an option I mean did they only put that there for me or when they design these sites say no instead of getting involved with people that annoy you to a point where there's such trolls and haters that you just don't want to deal with them anymore you put them on ignore but hey I'm sure you took a class for sensitivity and maybe I hurt your feelings and you need to talk to your therapist because I'm not your therapist i'm not going to come in here and soft shoe anything for you...

Now you're trying to tell me what's logical for you and how I'm supposed to reply to you i'm supposed to respond in here you're trying to tell me I'm whether I can and can't use the ignore button that's available to me so I think you've got an ego problem you're an ego maniacal know it all and at this point you are a candidate for my ignore button because this is what I'm talking about you're trying to tell me how I should wake up open this site up and how I should follow some kind of etiquette that's not even true there is no rules in social media except for the ones provided us by the mods they tell us what we can and can't say whether it's borderline they give us warnings that's that you do not tell me how to act...

YOU might want to square that up right now social media this is not your home network this isn't your Facebook page i'm not your friend you don't get to tell me how to respond and what kind of etiquette I should follow in here i've been here since 2018 why don't you go take a look at my post count and my light count I I'm not new I don't need your help i'm not the one who's new and green because I don't recognize your name that means you're not in here very often...

So let's get that right now do not respond to me and tell me how I should limit my character count I should structure sentences and where I should start or end my replies no if I see something and I don't like the way it's coming off then I'm going to respond or the opposite if I like something I will respond in kind that's how it works if you don't understand that you're in the wrong place you need to keep private chat rooms and only invite your best friends if you only want to hear what you want to hear you need to have only Facebook interactions with people that you know that are on your friends that's it that's not this place this is a very public place..
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600 words BB !
 
Spottswoode said:
I’m aware of all of that. It’s been posted before and it sounds like we both agree that he has much to prove. But I’m not sure how one would even qualify where he ranks as a teammate in the Steelers 90 year history.

Personally, I think his issue was mostly with Tomlin, not his teammates. I also question whether he would have been traded if they hadn’t signed Metcalf to a $150M contract, but I guess we will never know.

And I’m not ready to concede this is a 1 year rental. If he ends up commanding top dollar (which I don’t think he will), we will get a good comp pick back. I agree that’s not ideal but IMO, it’s worth the risk.

However, if he can be had on a reasonable contract for the position, I think the Cowboy’s will attempt to keep him. While Jerry does some confusing things, I can’t imagine he made this trade with the intention of it being a 1 year rental. That doesn’t sound like Jerry.

Finding a way to keep a player, even if they are past their shelf life, which Pickens isn’t, sounds more like Jerry. Keeping a player you spent capital on to avoid acknowledging a mistake sounds more like Jerry. And historically we do seem to have a fairly high tolerance these types players.

But I can see how others might disagree with my opinions.
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How can you say that his issues were with Tomlin when he had the same issues in college? This is who he is.

If he behaves and has a big year, he would be in line for 25M+ per on his next contract based on the numbers he's been putting up his first 3 seasons. He's a #1 WR on half the teams in the league. The knock is his behavior on and off the field. We haven't extended Micah or Tyler Smith yet. I can't imagine where the money to resign him might come from.

I still think this is a one year rental bc most teams don't make this trade without an extension.
 
atlantacowboy said:
How can you say that his issues were with Tomlin when he had the same issues in college? This is who he is.

If he behaves and has a big year, he would be in line for 25M+ per on his next contract based on the numbers he's been putting up his first 3 seasons. He's a #1 WR on half the teams in the league. The knock is his behavior on and off the field. We haven't extended Micah or Tyler Smith yet. I can't imagine where the money to resign him might come from.

I still think this is a one year rental bc most teams don't make this trade without an extension.
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I’m saying his issue with the Steelers was mostly with Tomlin, not with his teammates. Our conversation was never about whether Pickens is a malcontent. It was about your comment that Pickens was one of the worst teammates in the 90 year history of the Steelers.

It may be a 1 year rental, which I have acknowledged. Frankly I have no idea. I’m just saying I’m not willing to concede that it is and shared my thoughts on why.

I do find it ironic that many posters talk about how much of a cancer he is and how the Cowboys got fleeced by competing against themselves because no one else wanted him, yet turn around and suggest that these same teams that didn’t want him for a 3rd are going to line up to give him a 25M+ contract a season later. That seems to me to be somewhat contradictory. Is the suggestion that they just want to see one year of choirboy behavior before backing up the truck? And where were all these teams who needed a #1 receiver when he was available for a 3rd.

Maybe he gets $25M or even $35M as some have suggested. But it seems to me that if it is true that no one else wanted him for a 3rd, it is not a stretch to think that he may not have the market he desires after 1 season of good behavior during a contract year.

But that’s just me.
 
DandyDon52 said:
600 words BB !
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So you think it's a novel I mean are you trying to tell me that the definition of a novel even a short story a book blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah that's what I hear in here and it's apparent that somehow social media and the Internet have made people forget what a book actually looks like definitions of novels book short stories all of it not even close to 600 words but good I have to be limited on Twitter sometimes on Facebook but not here and I will continue to do so by the way I'll start counting yours all of yours even the ones you post that you start new threads and titles they're pretty long.... Have you seen bobs I mean they're pretty long you want to count Bob's words I mean just because I used talk to text and Ramble on doesn't make mine longer than people in here how about CC boy that dude got some long post I mean do I need to list everyone are we now judging people on the length of their post that's what it looks like people can't deal with it just skip over it...
 
KJJ said:
He’s a homer but he didn’t like the hiring of Schotty.
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Everyone's reactions at first where they didn't like the hire it was shocking that he was even on the list of interviews but once he put together his staff everybody changed their mind or most smart people would because your staff are what going to make you successful or not successful and I'd say this is 1 of the deepest and best staffs we've had in a long time in my opinion all the assistance that coordinators I like them all they all seem to have passion and they like to teach their hands on their very player focused...
 
CATCH17 said:
Dallas has a lot of work to do and they have to figure out how to overcome Dak once we do get to the playoffs and he turns into a deer in the headlights.

The Scouts & GM did a great job this offseason.

I think we aren’t a top tier team yet but we should be fighting to be one of the best 5 NFC teams with our offense alone.
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They also have to figure out how to overcome leading the league in penalties and the inability to stop the run during the season and leading into the playoffs once they start.
 
DandyDon52 said:
Well right now all anyone can do is talk lol
Still 3 months to 1st PS game.
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Yes sir. Could be an extra rough giddy-up for me, as there's been enough changes to say "look! See what we are doing...we're in the best shape of our lives!"
 
blueblood70 said:
So you think it's a novel I mean are you trying to tell me that the definition of a novel even a short story a book blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah that's what I hear in here and it's apparent that somehow social media and the Internet have made people forget what a book actually looks like definitions of novels book short stories all of it not even close to 600 words but good I have to be limited on Twitter sometimes on Facebook but not here and I will continue to do so by the way I'll start counting yours all of yours even the ones you post that you start new threads and titles they're pretty long.... Have you seen bobs I mean they're pretty long you want to count Bob's words I mean just because I used talk to text and Ramble on doesn't make mine longer than people in here how about CC boy that dude got some long post I mean do I need to list everyone are we now judging people on the length of their post that's what it looks like people can't deal with it just skip over it...
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Well I just read some of what you and that other guy were saying to each other, and you said
your posts were about 200 words.
As a rule most here dont read long posts, and even 200 is considered long.

I dont personally care how long your posts are. I probably wont read them if they are real long
though.
Bob does do long ones, but his are not one long paragraph either.
 
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