Rookie HCs in the Super Bowl era

[Bobhaze]

Brian Schottenheimer is the 10th head coach in the Cowboys 65 year history and the 6th Cowboys head coach of the 21st century. He’s the 9th HC Jerry has hired in 36 years as owner of the Cowboys.

Schottenheimer is only the 3rd Cowboys HC who has never been at a HC at any level before becoming an NFL head coach. The two others were Dave Campo and Jason Garrett. (Chan Gailey had been a HC in college before becoming an NFL HC)

In the 57 years of the modern Super Bowl era, there are only two rookie HCs who have ever won a SB:

• Don McAffrey, Baltimore Colts, 1971 won SB V against the Cowboys.
• George Seifert, SF 49ers, 1989 won SB XXIV against the broncos.

There have been 12 rookie HCs in the 57 year modern SB era who have led their teams to a conference championship game. (If I missed someone, let me know) They are:

• 1971 Don McCafferty Baltimore Colts (won Superbowl V over the Cowboys)
• 1977 Red Miller Broncos (lost Superbowl XII to the Cowboys)
• 1989 George Seifert 49ers (won Superbowl XXIV over the Broncos)
• 1994 Barry Switzer Cowboys (lost NFC Championship to 49ers)
• 1997 Steve Mariucci 49ers (Lost NFC Championship to the Packers)
• 2002 Bill Callahan Raiders (Lost Superbowl XXXVII to the Buccaneers)
• 2006 Sean Payton Saints (Lost NFC Championship Game to bears)
• 2008 John Harbaugh Ravens (lost AFC Championship game to Steelers)
• 2009 Rex Ryan Jets (Lost AFC Championship Game to colts)
• 2009 Jim Caldwell Colts (Lost Superbowl XLIV to the Saints)
• 2011 Jim Harbaugh 49ers (lost to giants in NFC Championship Game)
• 2019 Matt Lafleur Packers (lost to niners in NFC Championship Game)

NFL History shows: It’s hard for a rookie HC to have immediate deep playoff success unless they inherit a team with recent playoff success. Brian Schottenheimer will inherit a team that has had recent regular season success but has won two wild card games in the last 7 seasons 2018 and 2021)

I mostly like what we have done this off-season so far. Schotty will have a better hand to work with than Big Mac had in 2024. But history shows being a rookie HC in the NFL has a learning curve.

 

[jazzcat22]

Not expecting miracles this season. Nor a deep playoff run.
They are in year 2 of a soft build. And even Jerry said it, they are looking and a few years down the road.

I just want to see improvement all across the board from the last few years draft picks, and what they have this year.
Make a playoff push and even make the playoffs.
I know many do not want that, for their own reasons. To get the FO to make some drastic changes, or to get better draft picks.

I just want signs of improvement and be competitive.
I think as all teams, stay healthy. They do have enough talent to get to the playoffs. once all the players are healthy and playing. Like Overshown, Diggs, Williams. Can Revel be at his best and contribute as well.

Seems they put together a nice coaching staff. And overall fans seems to accept what they have done. OTA's start in a few days. So we will get the first glimpse at how they handle things.

 

[Bobhaze]

Seems they put together a nice coaching staff. And overall fans seems to accept what they have done. OTA's start in a few days. So we will get the first glimpse at how they handle things.

I like most of what’s happened this off-season. Sure beats the kamikaze off-season our GM orchestrated last year. No question it has been a feel good off-season for Cowboys fans compared to recent years.

In the end, all coaches and teams will be measured by the results they get. (I wish that were true about our front office too!) Looking forward to seeing how fast Schotty can learn and how the team will respond to the new staff.

 

[maryquality]

I just want to see improvement all across the board from the last few years draft picks, and what they have this year.
Make a playoff push and even make the playoffs.
I know many do not want that, for their own reasons. To get the FO to make some drastic changes, or to get better draft picks.

I just want signs of improvement and be competitive.
I think as all teams, stay healthy. They do have enough talent to get to the playoffs. once all the players are healthy and playing. Like Overshown, Diggs, Williams. Can Revel be at his best and contribute as well.

Seems they put together a nice coaching staff. And overall fans seems to accept what they have done. OTA's start in a few days. So we will get the first glimpse at how they handle things.

That's about all we can hope for this season.

 

[blueblood70]

Not expecting miracles this season. Nor a deep playoff run.
They are in year 2 of a soft build. And even Jerry said it, they are looking and a few years down the road.

I just want to see improvement all across the board from the last few years draft picks, and what they have this year.
Make a playoff push and even make the playoffs.
I know many do not want that, for their own reasons. To get the FO to make some drastic changes, or to get better draft picks.

I just want signs of improvement and be competitive.
I think as all teams, stay healthy. They do have enough talent to get to the playoffs. once all the players are healthy and playing. Like Overshown, Diggs, Williams. Can Revel be at his best and contribute as well.

Seems they put together a nice coaching staff. And overall fans seems to accept what they have done. OTA's start in a few days. So we will get the first glimpse at how they handle things.

agree.. I literally feel the same zero expectations but I believe they could easily be a wild card team and make the playoffs from there you never know but yeah anybody expecting a deep playoff run are put an undo expectations on the new coach but we are better than the 7 wins we are closer to the 12 win team look at 2020 and look at the jump in 2021 and I don't care if he's not a rookie head coach very similar situation lots and lots of injuries bad offseason led to a lot of bad things in 2020 and 2024 and I believe in 2021 things looked a lot different and I believe in 2025 will be better than people think..

It's not just about the head coach it's about the staff and I believe we have the staff to get it done we have some coaches on this team that were head coaches I mean our defensive coordinator was....

But I do look at it that way I don't know people think Mark Sanchez and Rex Ryan went to back to back AFC Championship games with a very stagnant offense.. Was mostly defense if they can do something like that I mean I can expect a wild card if we have relatively healthy season this year....

min 9 wins max 12 with WC shot..

 

[blueblood70]

Brian Schottenheimer is the 10th head coach in the Cowboys 65 year history and the 6th Cowboys head coach of the 21st century. He’s the 9th HC Jerry has hired in 36 years as owner of the Cowboys.

Schottenheimer is only the 3rd Cowboys HC who has never been at a HC at any level before becoming an NFL head coach. The two others were Dave Campo and Jason Garrett. (Chan Gailey had been a HC in college before becoming an NFL HC)

In the 57 years of the modern Super Bowl era, there are only two rookie HCs who have ever won a SB:

• Don McAffrey, Baltimore Colts, 1971 won SB V against the Cowboys.
• George Seifert, SF 49ers, 1989 won SB XXIV against the broncos.

There have been 12 rookie HCs in the 57 year modern SB era who have led their teams to a conference championship game. (If I missed someone, let me know) They are:

• 1971 Don McCafferty Baltimore Colts (won Superbowl V over the Cowboys)
• 1977 Red Miller Broncos (lost Superbowl XII to the Cowboys)
• 1989 George Seifert 49ers (won Superbowl XXIV over the Broncos)
• 1994 Barry Switzer Cowboys (lost NFC Championship to 49ers)
• 1997 Steve Mariucci 49ers (Lost NFC Championship to the Packers)
• 2002 Bill Callahan Raiders (Lost Superbowl XXXVII to the Buccaneers)
• 2006 Sean Payton Saints (Lost NFC Championship Game to bears)
• 2008 John Harbaugh Ravens (lost AFC Championship game to Steelers)
• 2009 Rex Ryan Jets (Lost AFC Championship Game to colts)
• 2009 Jim Caldwell Colts (Lost Superbowl XLIV to the Saints)
• 2011 Jim Harbaugh 49ers (lost to giants in NFC Championship Game)
• 2019 Matt Lafleur Packers (lost to niners in NFC Championship Game)

NFL History shows: It’s hard for a rookie HC to have immediate deep playoff success unless they inherit a team with recent playoff success. Brian Schottenheimer will inherit a team that has had recent regular season success but has won two wild card games in the last 7 seasons 2018 and 2021)

I mostly like what we have done this off-season so far. Schotty will have a better hand to work with than Big Mac had in 2024. But history shows being a rookie HC in the NFL has a learning curve.

I don't think anybody has those expectations of a championship game I mean I did say that it's a possibility this year with health and some luck I did put it out there only because of players like Mark Sanchez combined with Rex Ryan and somehow go back to back AFC Championship appearances.. It is possible we have a good veteran core here they're not starting with a young core you know especially at quarterback and receiver...


Here's the thing for me let's just stay with the Eagles that I realized they have a better general manager and they make more moves and maybe they have a better roster did anybody really hear of Nick Seriani when he came here I believe he's pretty much got the same resume as Brian Schottenheimer hell Brian Schottenheimer released his dad coast in the nfl what couple decades??

Nick Sirianni's coaching journey started with the Mount Union<<<[/nav>> (2004-2005) as a Defensive Backs coach, followed by serving as the Wide Receivers coach at IUP<<[/nav>> (2006-2008). He then transitioned to the NFL, beginning with the Kansas City Chiefs<<[/nav>> (2009-2012) where he held roles including Offensive Quality Control and Wide Receivers Coach. Sirianni later joined the San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers<<[/nav>> (2013-2017), coaching Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers. He then served as the Offensive Coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts<<[/nav>> (2018-2020) before becoming the Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles<<[/nav>> in 2021

That sure looks a whole lot like Brian Schottenheimers resume..

And Nick Seriani was 9 and 8 as a rookie I don't know if his situation is worse or was better that year but didn't they just lose a Super Bowl in 2020 I believe so this team was already solid but who knows I don't remember the whole situation..

The last three years he's been at least a Super Bowl contender, so he was a rookie head coach with hardly anything on his resume that was impressive.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Brian Schottenheimer is the 10th head coach in the Cowboys 65 year history and the 6th Cowboys head coach of the 21st century. He’s the 9th HC Jerry has hired in 36 years as owner of the Cowboys.

Schottenheimer is only the 3rd Cowboys HC who has never been at a HC at any level before becoming an NFL head coach. The two others were Dave Campo and Jason Garrett. (Chan Gailey had been a HC in college before becoming an NFL HC)

In the 57 years of the modern Super Bowl era, there are only two rookie HCs who have ever won a SB:

• Don McAffrey, Baltimore Colts, 1971 won SB V against the Cowboys.
• George Seifert, SF 49ers, 1989 won SB XXIV against the broncos.

There have been 12 rookie HCs in the 57 year modern SB era who have led their teams to a conference championship game. (If I missed someone, let me know) They are:

• 1971 Don McCafferty Baltimore Colts (won Superbowl V over the Cowboys)
• 1977 Red Miller Broncos (lost Superbowl XII to the Cowboys)
• 1989 George Seifert 49ers (won Superbowl XXIV over the Broncos)
• 1994 Barry Switzer Cowboys (lost NFC Championship to 49ers)
• 1997 Steve Mariucci 49ers (Lost NFC Championship to the Packers)
• 2002 Bill Callahan Raiders (Lost Superbowl XXXVII to the Buccaneers)
• 2006 Sean Payton Saints (Lost NFC Championship Game to bears)
• 2008 John Harbaugh Ravens (lost AFC Championship game to Steelers)
• 2009 Rex Ryan Jets (Lost AFC Championship Game to colts)
• 2009 Jim Caldwell Colts (Lost Superbowl XLIV to the Saints)
• 2011 Jim Harbaugh 49ers (lost to giants in NFC Championship Game)
• 2019 Matt Lafleur Packers (lost to niners in NFC Championship Game)

NFL History shows: It’s hard for a rookie HC to have immediate deep playoff success unless they inherit a team with recent playoff success. Brian Schottenheimer will inherit a team that has had recent regular season success but has won two wild card games in the last 7 seasons 2018 and 2021)

I mostly like what we have done this off-season so far. Schotty will have a better hand to work with than Big Mac had in 2024. But history shows being a rookie HC in the NFL has a learning curve.

Good post. It's an uphill battle. Also keep in mind Siefert was coach under Walsh and inherited a loaded team and had a few.super stars. It was easier for him not to have to rebuild.

One of the many reasons I didn't care much for Pickens trade. Unless we resign him and that is even bigger concern

 

[ShortRound]

Jerry himself make it more difficult by hiring these inexperienced coaches.
But I know that's a moot point. Gotta wish for luck.

 

[gtb1943]

you never know what a person who has always been a subordinate will do when he is in control. The odds are failure is more likely than success but in the end a lot of what will happen lies beyond his control.
Especially with the cowboys.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not winning or making the Super Bowl will have nothing to do with our rookie head coach.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry himself make it more difficult by hiring these inexperienced coaches.
But I know that's a moot point. Gotta wish for luck.

Cause you think that there is a lock and an easier way to do it by bringing in what do people say around here the retreads I mean what else is there you got guys like saving and Meyers and Chip Kelly and Bobby Petrino more recently I mean these were super head coaches they had head coaching experience at big colleges they failed in the nfl but a lot of people out here wish that some of those guys came here I remember the call for Myers and how the Jaguars were smarter than the Cowboys really huh how'd that workout..

I mean the Eagles hired Nick Siriani he has zero experience as a matter of fact he was more green in my opinion then Schottenheimer I looked at his resume recently just now I went to go look at what he did because he's the Super Bowl winner now he wasn't liked by a lot of people..

Did you not see the list that Bob showed you there are examples of them getting to championship games or Super Bowls in their 1st years that doesn't mean Schottenheimer will but don't hack like this lead don't give you much choice you either hiring someone green like oh I don't know the two coordinators that just got hired off of the Lions the coordinator I never heard of that one year is an OC that's now I believe he's the Jags coach he came over from Tampa Bay I mean you have Kelly Moore first time in New Orleans and shot Heimer I mean I betting you think those other guys are better even though they're also first time in coaches they're all so green and they're not owned by the Dallas Cowboys..


That's the irony around here you see Dallas does something different no Dallas made a choice they could have made a run at Bill Belichick but he would have been a retread it has been on the downside of his career or a guy like Pete Carroll..

I wouldn't have had any problem with them doing this but those are what people around here say jerry's is always looking for a retread you know less of a gamble guy no this is what it is around the NFL you either bring somebody that's green or you bring over a retread those retreads make circles around the NFL until they get out of the NFL we did that with Mike McCarthy mike Mccarthy was a pretty good head coach his downfall was trying to be an offensive coordinator and not firing himself around mid season last year...

So you show me this blueprint of can't miss prospects in the head coaching ranks because I could tell you it's be wrong I can go on forever but I won't this has already gotten too long I know they don't like it i'm rambling on but stop acting like Jerry Jones does anything different than anyone else in the NFL... He could have hired Dan Quinn but then he would have been accused of nepotism and being comfortable and liking his guys and getting a retread that had no success truly as a head coach but it's okay when Washington hires a retread...

I don't think Daboll or sirianni Who are the other two head coaches in our division they were green when they were hired and I believe Dan Quinn's a retread mike mccarthy was a retread so now Jerry's did his research and he's OK with BS right now I don't I don't see the difference I mean there is no cheat card there is no blueprint you just hope to get lucky when you make a hire..

Which by the way Jimmy Johnson was a very very green nfl head coach a lot of people criticized Jerry for doing that firing Tom Landry inserting his friend and history is on Jerry's side...

So how about we just see how this works out and then we could debate whether it was a positive or negative thing.....

 

[blueblood70]

Not winning or making the Super Bowl will have nothing to do with our rookie head coach.

I wouldn't say nothing but it has less to do with it than people are making it out to be I believe he's got a very good staff I believe he'll do what he can but don't put this all on Jerry either don't say he didn't give them enough talent because that'll be the next thing out of your mouth is that it's Jerry's fault and everything's Jerry's fault but last time I checked Jerry doesn't play the game jerry wasn't the one dropping passes missing blocks not blocking not running well not getting separation not covering well I mean we could just go through the whole thing jerry wasn't getting 11 penalties I mean there's a lot of reasons we've lost in big games and it really wasn't for the lack of talent..

Jerry may not have the all in nutsack that the Eagles and the Rams had or maybe San Francisco have tried but he's far from bottom in this league when it comes to stockpiling talent he has talent here most of his homegrown but it's here but he has made moves for Mari Cooper he just made moves for Pickens and he's brought in guys like Gilmore and Brandon Cook at the time we're very good moves so yes Jerry can be seen as not so aggressive but don't act like this dudes at the bottom in this league when it comes to trying to get enough talent here the talent itself and some of it had to do with coaching has failed this team more than Jerry in my opinion jerry's responsible sure..

The Dallas Cowboys as a team have been snake bit they've had so many scenarios in which players have done their worst in the big games like Patrick Crayton then you had the greased up WD40 kicking ball with the Seattle playoff game BUT In that same game people tend to forget this but I still believe Witten had a first down and it would have been 1st in goal from the 1 yard line and we probably win that game ,​

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you've had the game where you've had Demarco Murray fumble in a giant hole the same game dan Bailey misses two kicks, I mean you have the overturned call then he catch it or not on Dez Bryant,, I mean we've seen players drop interceptions and miss breaking up plays like Trayvon Diggs, we've had our offensive line just be absolutely horrible in the biggest games ,but there's our big names on all over the place are the ones responsible for the losses..​

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So yes this team has been snake bitten they've been cursed we've had plenty of talent enough to go to the playoffs quite often and then get bounced too early because of some strange instances and where some of our top players just didn't get the job done when they needed to...​

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What needs to happen is our best players our core group along with the coaching staff comes together moving in the same direction and being at their best and the biggest games and we just have been missing that for a long while....​

 

[shabazz]

Antonio Pierce and Jerod Mayo were rookie head coaches last season and replaced this year for good reason

The difference though is that their owners dont mind admitting to mistakes and rectifying it quickly

 

[Praxit]

In the 57 years of the modern Super Bowl era, there are only two rookie HCs who have ever won a SB:

..Bullet, make that 3 now.. ..

 

[Bobhaze]

..Bullet, make that 3 now.. ..

We need Lady Luck to have compassionate mercy on us fans for that to happen.

“So we’re saying there’s chance”….

Good post. It's an uphill battle. Also keep in mind Siefert was coach under Walsh and inherited a loaded team and had a few.super stars. It was easier for him not to have to rebuild.

One of the many reasons I didn't care much for Pickens trade. Unless we resign him and that is even bigger concern

I like the Pickens trade for the upgrade we get in talent this year. But it seems very Un-Stephen Jones-like to just rent a player for a year. I know we did it with Gilmore in ‘23 but it’s very rare around here.

If Pickens has a great year (which we want), his value will probably go higher than the Jones boys want to pay. It certainly makes for an interesting situation.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Kevin O’Connell is a good example of what you’re going for. Inherited an 8 win team in 2022, ended up going 13-4 with a QB frequently compared to Dak Prescott

 

[Pass2Run]

Not winning or making the Super Bowl will have nothing to do with our rookie head coach.

Back in the day, over at Austin 360, you used to be more optimistic. Times have changed, eh?

 

[75boyz]

Antonio Pierce and Jerod Mayo were rookie head coaches last season and replaced this year for good reason

The difference though is that their owners dont mind admitting to mistakes and rectifying it quickly

Outstanding post.

 

[blueblood70]

We need Lady Luck to have compassionate mercy on us fans for that to happen.

“So we’re saying there’s chance”….

I like the Pickens trade for the upgrade we get in talent this year. But it seems very Un-Stephen Jones-like to just rent a player for a year. I know we did it with Gilmore in ‘23 but it’s very rare around here.

If Pickens has a great year (which we want), his value will probably go higher than the Jones boys want to pay. It certainly makes for an interesting situation.

That has a lot to do with age they're a lot more cautious with a guy like Brandon Cooks or Gilmore not gonna give them bigger money and resign them because of Age,

Pickens is still possibly in his golden years in his peak years, It's possible we haven't seen the best of him.

we literally made a trade for Cooper and then signed him to a very big contract.. to say it won't happen is as silly as saying it will happen, we'll find out stay tuned he's first going to have to stay on the straight and narrow not cause trouble put up big numbers or at least significant numbers and then he's going to have to not demand to be paid for more than he's worth..

If it comes together it's not unrealistic to think that he won't get a contract here and that he won't get signed but there's also precedent that they'll have to let him walk franchise tag him, get something in return..

so the better he plays the bigger our return , will be it's a win -win, the man's going to play here for 17 games and we're going to have a better offense because of it there's nothing wrong with that...

 

[bigdnlaca]

This post tells me that there is a chance.