Dak on his legacy - I want to win a championship

[GINeric]

So you're are going to order other people to search YOUR history to "get the facts". But won't do the same yourself.

I do not need to prove to the likes of you what I have clearly stated many times.

Probably should go easy on the personal insults.

I didn't start the personal insults with you. You started with me. I guess you forgot that too....

And I didn't order anyone to do anything. I just told them I already posted the real life facts. Go research it. But I'll play the game one more time for the people who act like I never stated facts in previous posts. I'll do so in my next post.

 

[GINeric]

For the people who claimed i never posted any real life facts, here ya go.

This whole weak *** argument started over the statements some around here made about "quarterbacks elevate the play of the players around them" or comparing post season success or lack of success between quarterbacks.

So i said, ok I'll have to respect those guidelines. According to the guidelines pre-set by some here, they're absolutely right!! Dak did not elevate the play of the players around him when it counted the most in the biggest games.

Again according to those guidelines of what a "QUARTERBACK" is supposed to do... not the entire team, but what the "QUARTERBACK" is supposed to do...

According to those guidelines, that means Foles and Dilfer should be more respected than Marino and Kelly because they were the quarterbacks of Superbowl champion teams. Marino and Kelly obviously never won a Superbowl as a QUARTERBACK, under those quarterback guidelines, correct?

I also mentioned, according to those quarterback guidelines, until something changes, Colin Kaepernick has to be more respected than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen FOR RIGHT NOW.... because Kaepernick apparently was able to do something Jackson and Allen weren't able to do.... Kaepernick elevated the play of the players around him to reach a Superbowl , Jackson and Allen have not.

AGAIN.... im just going by the quarterback guidelines placed on Romo and Dak when it comes to winning the games that count the most. These are the expectations and judgements that were placed on Romo and Dak, so obviously these same guidelines will be placed on every other quarterback.

These are real life facts.

I made all of these comparisons originally to show how stupid it is to hold one player out of 52 responsible for the lack of success in a TEAM game. If other quarterbacks get to lean on team wide injuries, bad coaching, etc.... then so do ours.

If we hold our quarterbacks fully responsible for the lack of success in a team game.... then everything i posted above about those other quarterbacks are legit.

Can't pull out excuses for other quarterbacks claiming "it's a team game" when they don't have post season success, then say our quarterbacks have to "elevate the play of the players around him" in order for a team to succeed.

 

[Vtwin]

For the people who claimed i never posted any real life facts, here ya go.

Again. Not one single relevant fact. Not one.

if you feel I am mistaken please copy and paste the specific words you used to state the facts you are referencing.

 

[GINeric]

Again. Not one single relevant fact. Not one.

if you feel I am mistaken please copy and paste the specific words you used to state the facts you are referencing.

Its a fact that people here said quarterbacks elevate the play of the players around them when it counts the most.

Its a fact that Dak hasn't done so. Its a fact that other quarterbacks who haven't done so have been given excuses as to why they haven't elevated the play of the players around them and failed to have post season success.

If Dak is expected blamed for team losses than it's a fact that other quarterbacks will have to be measured by the same standards and exclude any and all team related excuses.

Its a fact that Foles and Dilfer won Superbowls and Dan Marino and Jim Kelly didn't win Superbowls. So according to the standards and expectations solely placed on the quarterback position, we have to put more respect on Foles and Dilfer's name more than Marino and Kelly.

All of this again.... is according to the standards and expectations placed by a few here who judge team success on Romo and Dak solely. I have no problem with holding Cowboys quarterbacks responsible for lack of deep playoff success.....

As long as that same judgment is placed on every other NFL quarterback. Then im good with it.

Now tell me which quarterback that I said something about didn't happen in real life. Didn't Foles and Dilfer win a superbowl and Marino and Kelly couldn't???

Prove to me that it isn't a fact. Its literally recorded on film and stat sheets everywhere.

 

[Johannes44]

If Dak is expected blamed for team losses than it's a fact that other quarterbacks will have to be measured by the same standards

They are. I don't think the W/L state only applies to Dak Prescott. It literally applies to all QB's.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I didn't start the personal insults with you. You started with me. I guess you forgot that too....

And I didn't order anyone to do anything. I just told them I already posted the real life facts. Go research it. But I'll play the game one more time for the people who act like I never stated facts in previous posts. I'll do so in my next post.

Oh so now *I* started eh? Playing the victim card. YOU? Dude...come on. YOU are one of the MOST controversial and insulting people here. Nothing wrong with that IF you own up to it.

At least I am man enough to admit my part in this nonsense. I'm guilty!

You DID order people to go search your history...if they care about "facts". Yet YOU refuse to do the same.

"Character is not built, it is revealed".

Again...since you are such a manly successful happy person in life...how about we agree to drop this nonsense...and get back to Dallas Cowboys Football.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

They are. I don't think the W/L state only applies to Dak Prescott. It literally applies to all QB's.

It does. Everyone knows AND says it...like you just did.

Gin won't admit it because it crushes his lying schtick.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Sam Darnold

Foles is an interesting case. He was excellent in the Superbowl and played well in the NFC Championship game.

But there was an indication that he could have that type of performance in him. He went 8-2 with the Eagles in 2013 and had an extraordinary 27 touchdowns with only 2 interceptions and a rating of 119!

He is very much an anomaly than the norm.

It's a study that things DO have to fall just right...you have to get a little luck. Have to have a team. AND...QB ALSO has to make some real plays.

We all know this isn't unique. Everyone knows the improbability of winning super bowls. Around HERE...that is no longer the bar no matter what some internet bully instigators claim.

We just want to play well...and do it against high level competition. It applies to the water boy as much as dak. We ALL know this no matter what some internet bully trolls say.

 

[NotForLong]

For the people who claimed i never posted any real life facts, here ya go.

This whole weak *** argument started over the statements some around here made about "quarterbacks elevate the play of the players around them" or comparing post season success or lack of success between quarterbacks.

So i said, ok I'll have to respect those guidelines. According to the guidelines pre-set by some here, they're absolutely right!! Dak did not elevate the play of the players around him when it counted the most in the biggest games.

Again according to those guidelines of what a "QUARTERBACK" is supposed to do... not the entire team, but what the "QUARTERBACK" is supposed to do...

According to those guidelines, that means Foles and Dilfer should be more respected than Marino and Kelly because they were the quarterbacks of Superbowl champion teams. Marino and Kelly obviously never won a Superbowl as a QUARTERBACK, under those quarterback guidelines, correct?

I also mentioned, according to those quarterback guidelines, until something changes, Colin Kaepernick has to be more respected than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen FOR RIGHT NOW.... because Kaepernick apparently was able to do something Jackson and Allen weren't able to do.... Kaepernick elevated the play of the players around him to reach a Superbowl , Jackson and Allen have not.

AGAIN.... im just going by the quarterback guidelines placed on Romo and Dak when it comes to winning the games that count the most. These are the expectations and judgements that were placed on Romo and Dak, so obviously these same guidelines will be placed on every other quarterback.

These are real life facts.

I made all of these comparisons originally to show how stupid it is to hold one player out of 52 responsible for the lack of success in a TEAM game. If other quarterbacks get to lean on team wide injuries, bad coaching, etc.... then so do ours.

If we hold our quarterbacks fully responsible for the lack of success in a team game.... then everything i posted above about those other quarterbacks are legit.

Can't pull out excuses for other quarterbacks claiming "it's a team game" when they don't have post season success, then say our quarterbacks have to "elevate the play of the players around him" in order for a team to succeed.

You get a gold medal for the Mental "Special" Olympics

 

[eromeopolk]

Dak and every other player knows Jerry Jones is about that bag and that is all they want now. They have the reality that Jerry has ruined the Dallas Cowboys. Arlington Jonesboys will disappoint again.

 

[Hadenough]

The best thing for Dak is to shut his mouth and go away quietly.

 

[Vtwin]

Its a fact that people here said quarterbacks elevate the play of the players around them when it counts the most.

I refer you to post #332 in this thread. That simple fact negates your entire argument. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the term "elevates those around him" is being used by the vast majority.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I refer you to post #332 in this thread. That simple fact negates your entire argument. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the term "elevates those around him" is being used by the vast majority.

He needs to change the narrative in his head...argue it...then claim everyone else is stupid. Whack.

He demands other people research HIS history...but refuses to do the same for anyone else. What does that tell you? It tells you he doesn't want to know the true facts. Has to live in a fantasy world that we all hate dak for non-football reasons. But he is SO happy and successful. Right.

So...I'm out. Nonsense has gone far enough.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Translation: Dak wants the Cowboys to win a Super Bowl for him and in spite of him, and he will be ready to step to the mic and take credit for it.
I'm sure he's upset that they haven't done it already.

 

[GINeric]

You get a gold medal for the Mental "Special" Olympics

And you get a gold medal for watching me not giving two ****s. Enjoy ya weekend lil bro!!

 

[GINeric]

Oh so now *I* started eh? Playing the victim card. YOU? Dude...come on. YOU are one of the MOST controversial and insulting people here. Nothing wrong with that IF you own up to it.

At least I am man enough to admit my part in this nonsense. I'm guilty!

You DID order people to go search your history...if they care about "facts". Yet YOU refuse to do the same.

"Character is not built, it is revealed".

Again...since you are such a manly successful happy person in life...how about we agree to drop this nonsense...and get back to Dallas Cowboys Football.

First of all, a factual response is not playing victim. I just reminded you of what happened since you brought up "insults". If you go back and read the past posts, you PERSONALLY insulted me before I personally insulted you. Yes I was guilty of insults as well but I didn't start off personally insulting anyone.

Any personal insult that I've posted followed a personal insult that came my way first. Is what it is.

That's just what happened my guy.

I didn't order anybody to do anything. As a matter of fact, I was willing to repost all the FACTS that I had posted over the last few days. The same facts that you claimed I ordered them to go research.

But hell yeah, I'd love to just get back to talking Dallas Cowboys football or football in general. That's all i started out doing from the start, but you have some sensitive, soft people here that don't like when narratives and hypocrisy is smashed with real life facts.

Im not saying that it's you.... but there are some who are hung up on blaming team failure on one player (Romo/Dak) and make excuses for other quarterbacks in the league when their teams fail.

Then when I used their "quarterback standards/expectations" rule for other quarterbacks, they get emotional and triggered because they realize that they look stupid being exposed with two sets of standards of what a quarterback is held accountable for. One minute it's all on one player, the next minute other quarterbacks had team injuries, bad coaching, bad franchise, etc, etc.

Their feelings got hurt when hypocrisy was exposed. Bottom line. Those who this applies to are just weak.

But yeah, I'd love to get back to talking football. I really enjoy talking football with many many intelligent people here.

 

[GINeric]

It does. Everyone knows AND says it...like you just did.

Gin won't admit it because it crushes his lying schtick.

Oh, first you talk about "let's just get back to talking Dallas Cowboys football" now im accused of lying schtick......

Yeah ok. I tried, but we can continue leaving it where it has been for the last few days. I definitely dont mind. But there are threads after our losses blaming which person predominantly? No matter what the rest of the team were unable to do, who was the blame placed on??

We can go all the way back to the first 49ers playoff game we loss. We had 14, 15 penalties and played against the number one defense. When we loss, who was solely blamed? Dak stunk it up in those games, but if you didn't know any better, you'd have thought he played the game by himself.

I didn't see any threads started about all the horrible penalties we got that game.... guess what.... the person blamed for that loss committed none of those penalties. That's just a small example.

But since you call it my "lying schtick" as if I made it up....

When we lose games this year and just ONE person puts all the blame on the quarterback (Dak or whoever is under center for us) if the whole team stunk it up, you can't post for the rest of the season.

We got a deal? Nobody blames just one person for a team loss, right? So you have nothing to worry about.

But if any of our quarterbacks get blamed for a team loss on this board, you can't post the rest of the season. Deal??

 

[mcmvp]

Oh, first you talk about "let's just get back to talking Dallas Cowboys football" now im accused of lying schtick......

Yeah ok. I tried, but we can continue leaving it where it has been for the last few days. I definitely dont mind. But there are threads after our losses blaming which person predominantly? No matter what the rest of the team were unable to do, who was the blame placed on??

We can go all the way back to the first 49ers playoff game we loss. We had 14, 15 penalties and played against the number one defense. When we loss, who was solely blamed? Dak stunk it up in those games, but if you didn't know any better, you'd have thought he played the game by himself.

I didn't see any threads started about all the horrible penalties we got that game.... guess what.... the person blamed for that loss committed none of those penalties. That's just a small example.

But since you call it my "lying schtick" as if I made it up....

When we lose games this year and just ONE person puts all the blame on the quarterback (Dak or whoever is under center for us) if the whole team stunk it up, you can't post for the rest of the season.

We got a deal? Nobody blames just one person for a team loss, right? So you have nothing to worry about.

But if any of our quarterbacks get blamed for a team loss on this board, you can't post the rest of the season. Deal??

You are posting on a message board that involves anybody in the world who wishes to have access to it. And for some reason, you think you need to be the police officer and judge on how ‘fans’ are being too ‘fan’atical by being a bit too hyperbolic with their criticism.

Do yourself a favor and realize that some people are going to exaggerate in their posts to make a point. Dak is the highest paid player on the team and in the league. If you cannot wrap your head around that simple concept… That people will blame that person, in a salary cap league, more than others… Then I think that’s a you problem.

You would save yourself a lot of stress by just scrolling past the many hyperbolic posts and just mentally think to yourself … “They know better, they’re just exaggerating to prove a point”

 

[GINeric]

You are posting on a message board that involves anybody in the world who wishes to have access to it. And for some reason, you think you need to be the police officer and judge on how ‘fans’ are being too ‘fan’atical by being a bit too hyperbolic with their criticism.

Do yourself a favor and realize that some people are going to exaggerate in their posts to make a point. Dak is the highest paid player on the team and in the league. If you cannot wrap your head around that simple concept… That people will blame that person, in a salary cap league, more than others… Then I think that’s a you problem.

You would save yourself a lot of stress by just scrolling past the many hyperbolic posts and just mentally think to yourself … “They know better, they’re just exaggerating to prove a point”

Actually im not policing and judging anything. Im just trying to figure out which method we're sticking to while talking about quarterbacks.

When my fellow posters told me that quarterbacks elevate the play of the players around him and are held accountable for the lack of success, I didn't fight it. I was cool with it.

But then I started blaming some other quarterback on another team for having a bad winning record vs winning teams and a bad playoff record, then I was corrected and told that he played for a bad organization, then another quarterback had the excuse of too many teams injuries, etc.

I was confused!! I thought one set of quarterback standards had been set, then all of a sudden it was the standards of the team those quarterbacks played for. Im just trying to respectfully stick to what I was told was the standard and expectations of a quarterback on this forum.

I didn't make the rules, im just trying to abide by them. But for some reason they tend to switch around. Im confused....