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[blueblood70]

So, did I read this right that the Cowboys are 12th on the list for waivers? Meaning 11 other teams have dibs on waived players before they do?

Yes correct

 

[conner01]

With seven picks in the first four rounds, the team had a chance to build a strong foundation, like the 1975 and 2005 drafts. Instead, only two remain. Too many busts.

1	Micah Parsons	12	LB												0				0			0	Penn St.
2	Kelvin Joseph	44	DB												0				0			0	Kentucky
3	Osa Odighizuwa	75	DL												0				0			0	UCLA
3	Chauncey Golston	84	DL												0				0			0	Iowa
3	Nahshon Wright	99	DB												0				0			0	Oregon St.
4	Jabril Cox	115	LB												0				0			0	LSU
4	Josh Ball	138	OL												0				0			0	Marshall
5	Simi Fehoko	179	WR												0				0	10	139	1	Stanford
6	Quinton Bohanna	192	DT												0				0			0	Kentucky
6	Israel Mukuamu	227	DB												0				0			0	South Carolina
7	Matt Farniok	238	G												0				0			0	Nebraska

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Can’t judge a draft by how many are still here. How many are still in the league.just because you don’t extend a guy doesn’t make him a bad pick

 

[Mr_437]

If you want a Raven, this is the guy



Considering anyone taken on waivers has to make your 53, this is a player that could actually play for us

I agree Dallas could use a young CB over a DT right now because Booth is the 60th best player on the roster.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Will McClay is worse than Mike Tannenbaum.

Based on what exactly?

He doesn't make the picks so I'm really interested in your logic.

 

[CCBoy]

Not sure what thats supposed to mean, but ok

Know what Military Service is? I retired from it.
Know what Postal Servfice is? I retired from it also,

You were jumping on a descriptive rat and tattletale.

Hell yes I do what is ethical and legal. What you were enjoying was defamation of character and insult of myself.

You aren't that dignity.

You didn't even enjoy the cartoon depicting what you JUST did.

Talk football and lay off insult instead.

You understood...

 

[Mr_437]

When will waiver wire pickups be made public?

 

[maryquality]

That is correct, yes.

Well, that lessens our chances of picking up a decent waived player. Phooey!!

 

[conner01]

Outside of Gholston, I don't think any of those mid round guys still are in the league/were consistently on 53s after leaving here.

Bohana and semi were both on roster last year. Not sure about this year

 

[conner01]

And the other way to look at this is show us the other thirty 1 teams 2021 draft and find out where the Cowboys fall with actual data to support what this really means..

And if the picks are still playing in the league. Can’t judge drafts by how many you extend. It’s really about how many made it in the nfl because you can’t extend every pick every year

 

[big dog cowboy]

I agree with what you guys are saying but don't you also believe that it would be better if the oline improves? They were pretty bad last year.

That would make a big difference. And don't discount coaching. The chance in coaching, plus Guyton being better, plus the addition of Booker, plus another year removed from his surgery for Steele should make for a much better OL this year.

 

[gimmesix]

With seven picks in the first four rounds, the team had a chance to build a strong foundation, like the 1975 and 2005 drafts. Instead, only two remain. Too many busts.

1	Micah Parsons	12	LB												0				0			0	Penn St.
2	Kelvin Joseph	44	DB												0				0			0	Kentucky
3	Osa Odighizuwa	75	DL												0				0			0	UCLA
3	Chauncey Golston	84	DL												0				0			0	Iowa
3	Nahshon Wright	99	DB												0				0			0	Oregon St.
4	Jabril Cox	115	LB												0				0			0	LSU
4	Josh Ball	138	OL												0				0			0	Marshall
5	Simi Fehoko	179	WR												0				0	10	139	1	Stanford
6	Quinton Bohanna	192	DT												0				0			0	Kentucky
6	Israel Mukuamu	227	DB												0				0			0	South Carolina
7	Matt Farniok	238	G												0				0			0	Nebraska

​

Isn't this fairly typical, though? Owners who think their teams can build through the draft alone are delusional because there are just too many misses and too many players who don't get a second contract.

I chose the Baltimore Ravens' 2021 draft class at random for a comparison.

They picked:

1) WR Rashod Bateman — Still with the Ravens, but has totaled less than 2,000 yards over four years
1) DE Odafe Oweh — Still with the Ravens, but has totaled 23 sacks in four years (but did have 10 last year)
3) G Ben Cleveland — Still with the Ravens, but has started just 7 games in his career
3) CB Brandon Stephens — Now with the Jets
4) WR Tylan Wallace — Stlll with the Ravens, but has 18 catches over four years
5) CB Shaun Wade — Now with the Bears
5) DE Daelin Hayes — Waived after one year because couldn't stay healthy
5) TE Ben Mason — Bounced around league after waived by Ravens as rookie, returning to Ravens another season mainly as a practice squad player

So that's eight picks through the first five rounds, with a slightly better success rate (4 of 8) as far as re-signing, but maybe less success overall. Oweh is the only truly successful pick, and that would have been debatable before his 10-sack season last year.

Again, I just picked Baltimore because I know the Ravens are considered a good drafting team. I'm sure other teams' success rate would be similar because that's just how the draft works. You get luckier some years than others, but there's generally more failures than successes long term.

 

[8FOR!3]

I am checking who was cut from the Rams and Ravens

- CJ Okoye
- Jaylin Armour-Davis
- Willie Lampkin
- Brennan Jackson

Lampkin went to CCU he’s a stud. He was pushing our guys around.

 

[Ranching]

Consider this: Last year we kept Trey Lance on the roster, paying him $5.3 million, and he played in ONE regular season game. Derrick Henry cost about $6 mil last year. And SJ said we couldn’t afford him.

Two different markets..in hindsight, yes...Lance was a disappointment, Henry was a stud. But, Henry was an overused RB towards the end of his career...he went to the right kind of team. Heck, Henry couldn't help the Ravens, with all their talent, he would have just sold more jerseys around here. The fact that Lance didn't flourish, is the big loss.

 

[gimmesix]

Now go look at the other 31 teams from that draft and compare....its probably a very similar or worse picture.

The Cowboys have two starters from that class plus a guy in Gholston who has been decent but walked for a comp pick. Thats about all you can ask for out of any draft class.

Philly has DeVonte Smith, Landon Dickerson, plus a good pick that just walked in Milton Williams. Similar draft to the Cowboys. Very few teams will have had stronger 2021 drafts than the Cowboys at this point. Reality is the draft is a very low probability event with most players not making it to a 2nd contract.

I picked Baltimore for my comparison, but Philly (or any other team) is just as good. You don't get rich through the draft. You get a couple of starters (if you're lucky) and some bit players who you cycle through.

 

[blueblood70]

Isn't this fairly typical, though? Owners who think their teams can build through the draft alone are delusional because there are just too many misses and too many players who don't get a second contract.

I chose the Baltimore Ravens' 2021 draft class at random for a comparison.

They picked:

1) WR Rashod Bateman — Still with the Ravens, but has totaled less than 2,000 yards over four years
1) DE Odafe Oweh — Still with the Ravens, but has totaled 23 sacks in four years (but did have 10 last year)
3) G Ben Cleveland — Still with the Ravens, but has started just 7 games in his career
3) CB Brandon Stephens — Now with the Jets
4) WR Tylan Wallace — Stlll with the Ravens, but has 18 catches over four years
5) CB Shaun Wade — Now with the Bears
5) DE Daelin Hayes — Waived after one year because couldn't stay healthy
5) TE Ben Mason — Bounced after league spending two one-year stints with Ravens

So that's eight picks through the first five rounds, with a slightly better success rate (4 of 8) as far as re-signing, but maybe less success overall. Oweh is the only truly successful pick, and that would have been debatable before his 10-sack season last year.

Again, I just picked Baltimore because I know the Ravens are considered a good drafting team. I'm sure other teams' success rate would be similar because that's just how the draft works. You get luckier some years than others, but there's generally more failures than successes long term.

That's why I told it this this is not even valid to judge the Cowboys without judging 31 other teams and I'm betting they fall right into the norm very similar from year to year some you're going to hit on more than others but these posts make me laugh the original post it doesn't make sense unless you're bringing in 31 other teams into the mix show me what theirs look like from 2021....

 

[blueblood70]

Two different markets..in hindsight, yes...Lance was a disappointment, Henry was a stud. But, Henry was an overused RB towards the end of his career...he went to the right kind of team. Heck, Henry couldn't help the Ravens, with all their talent, he would have just sold more jerseys around here. The fact that Lance didn't flourish, is the big loss.

That's what I said you get blowback but I agree with you there's many ways to look at this perspectives are different I mean I look at the yes it's important right the run game.

It's night and day when you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl Yep the Philadelphia Eagles pick Saquan Barkley and he was the missing piece they had one of the best run games in the league last year And you know who was number two that would be Baltimore or they were really close to each other but won won the Super bowl and one didn't go as far as the year before

Now the Kansas City Chiefs were with us they were in the same category as the Dallas Cowboys with their run game was sad they picked up Hunter off the street they didn't go out and look for a better runner and they ended up runner up in the Super bowl with a bottom five run game and I realize it's different but there's a happy middle here people are upset of what we did or didn't do the last two years with the run game and I get it but let's see if this works or not before we say it's a failure.

I saw that Christian Mccaffrey did not help San Francisco get further than they did with their running back by committee which was very good The couple years before they decided to go after Christa Mccaffrey give him $19 million and how did they finish last year that's right very similar to us..

Yes I'm a little disappointed they didn't pick up a better running back the last two years But I also look at the fact that they're gonna improve the run game with the offensive line in the scheme and I do think our running backroom is better this year with a group the group is better there is no bell cow but there is a better group in my opinion with differing skill sets that will help this team..

By the way

I didn't look at Kansas City I can do it now but I gotta get to work

what do they do to improve their run game in the offseason?

who is their running back I mean they didn't have a good running back last year even their starter I can't pronounce his name was good but he's not a bell cow and they had a running back by committee and then they picked up Hunt..... I don't think Hunt was brought back but who is their starting group this year that's what I want to know how did they improve last year from their bottom 5 run game??

We have proof they improved until we see it on the field? that's rhetorical..


nope.. Does that scream Super Bowl Does that scream that one of the better coaching Staffs in the league for two years in a row are rolling with basically the same room that they were Bottom 5 last year they were right there with us go look at the output in production...

Yes, the Kansas City Chiefs had multiple running backs on their 2025 53-man roster, including Isiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, and Elijah Mitchell. However, they recently waived Carson Steele and Michael Wiley to finalize the roster, which now features three running backs. Pacheco and Hunt are expected to be the primary ball carriers.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Perhaps a little high?

More like too low.

Once again you get proven wrong.

Do you adjust your rankings for the most important ability?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Love him all you want….most of us know better.
He’s a good QB who’s the beneficiary of great talent around him.

All QBs are the beneficiary of the talent around them

 

[darthseinfeld]

Know what Military Service is? I retired from it.
Know what Postal Servfice is? I retired from it also,

You were jumping on a descriptive rat and tattletale.

Hell yes I do what is ethical and legal. What you were enjoying was defamation of character and insult of myself.

You aren't that dignity.

You didn't even enjoy the cartoon depicting what you JUST did.

Talk football and lay off insult instead.

You understood...

I was in the military and I dont remember tattling to be a virtue

 

[KingCorcoran]

Do you adjust your rankings for the most important ability?

If winning Super Bowls, or just playoff success mattered, there would be no Cowboys fans.