Disturbing statistic

[xwalker]

This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.

What are the NFL averages for those 2 stats?

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.

Let's not overanalyze this.

When you're behind in the 4th quarter and you need to catch up, you need by our QB to take over and make a whole bunch of plays to put points on the board quick.

We have Dak.

4-33

Highest paid player in the league.

 

[acr731]

Let's not overanalyze this.

When you're behind in the 4th quarter and you need to catch up, you need by our QB to take over and make a whole bunch of plays to put points on the board quick.

We have Dak.

4-33

Highest paid player in the league.

If you read over the past couple pages Dak gets a pass if the defense sucks. If the defense can't toss shutouts every week Dak and the offense isn't required to put any points on the board.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No I'm not........... Jesus. I'm saying that both sides of the ball have to do their jobs. That doesn't lay blame on either side. Am I not being clear enough for you to understand?

Let me ask you this in a game scenario - Dallas offense gets the ball first, runs 6 plays for 30 yards then punts. Defense comes on the field and ends up giving up a TD. Offense gets the ball back and goes 3 and out. Defense comes back on and gives up a FG, score is now 0-10. Offense is back out there and has a decent drive going, but it ends in a redzone interception. Defense gives up another TD afterwards and now the offense is in a hole 0-17.

Who the hell gets the blame for this? BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL GET THE BLAME, not just one side or the other like you keep insinuating I am saying.

Now you tell me who is looking for an argument? I'm not, but you clearly are.

Offense needs to be better and more consistent in critical situation.

Both sides at fault which I lay the blame on th GM for the team he put together, the bad culture, the lack of focus, average coaches.

 

[Kwyn]

If you read over the past couple pages Dak gets a pass if the defense sucks. If the defense can't toss shutouts every week Dak and the offense isn't required to put any points on the board.

All I asked was do the stats in the argument have any consideration for defensive failure, not “the defense has to toss a shutout every week” and I provided an example from last year.

Nice straw man though.

Your reply about *the same game*, was “did the offense not get the ball”.

So, here’s my straw man right back

“Did you not read the last few pages when people were saying the offense has to score a touchdown every possession of the fourth quarter week in and week out?”

 

[morat1959]

Lots of this falls on the deer in the headlights QB.

 

[morat1959]

Let's not overanalyze this.

When you're behind in the 4th quarter and you need to catch up, you need by our QB to take over and make a whole bunch of plays to put points on the board quick.

We have Dak.

4-33

Highest paid player in the league.

It’s just this simple!

 

[kskboys]

For years this team has been built to be a front runner. One of the best in the league when playing with a lead. One of the worst when playing catch up. I don’t think many will be that surprised by the numbers.

Which means they're no built to be a super bowl team

 

[Gameover]

Dak tends to be more panicky when we trail and it never works out well.

Nonsense

 

[Gameover]

This was 5 years of data. I would normally agree with you, but the stats were so lopsided I couldn't ignore it. Yes, this is a different year. But we started off 0-1 going into the 4th down. I don't see how it's a meaningless stat until it is..

Average deficit would be helpful.

Most of their losses have been lopsided affairs

 

[acr731]

All I asked was do the stats in the argument have any consideration for defensive failure, not “the defense has to toss a shutout every week” and I provided an example from last year.

Nice straw man though.

Your reply about *the same game*, was “did the offense not get the ball”.

So, here’s my straw man right back

“Did you not read the last few pages when people were saying the offense has to score a touchdown every possession of the fourth quarter week in and week out?”

I was being extremely sarcastic......

 

[Kwyn]

I was being extremely sarcastic......

Your post didn’t indicate sarcasm in any way, but I’ll chalk it up to the interwebs

 

[blueblood70]

All I asked was do the stats in the argument have any consideration for defensive failure, not “the defense has to toss a shutout every week” and I provided an example from last year.

Nice straw man though.

Your reply about *the same game*, was “did the offense not get the ball”.

So, here’s my straw man right back

“Did you not read the last few pages when people were saying the offense has to score a touchdown every possession of the fourth quarter week in and week out?”

That is the narrative around here the offense needs to score on every possession If they don't and they make any mistakes they blame it on the offense it has nothing to do with the defense at all I mean it's the same thing in the first half against the Eagles game one They scored on every possession yes the defense played better in the second half but that doesn't mean you can't get criticized for giving up 21 points and one half... Yes it was a one point game and you can look to the offense and blame them because they're the ones who fumble they're the ones that dropped the passes But that's no flex to say hey we held a team to under 30 points..

Flex is what the ravens and the Bears of the past and some great defenses we seen when you can hold teams under 17 every week or let's just even say 20 that's when you give your offense a chance to win games...

But you can't blame the offense if you're down 17 points going into the 4th quarter and not being able to win the game...

The offense has been at fault at times but mostly it lays at the feet of bad defense that we've been behind in these games hell look at the games Was it 2022 where there was a 14 point and a 17 point lead in the fourth quarter and the defense basically blew the leads went overtime and lost both those games on the road but the narrative is we can never win on the road The offense gave you all those points and you couldn't even win and yes some of it was offense but the defense has been the worst part of our team for years blowing games..

 

[Gameover]

Average deficit would be helpful

2023
Down 28-10 entering 4th at 49ers
Down 24-3 enter 4th at buffalo

2024
Down 35-16 entering 4th vs Saints
Down 37-9 entering 4th vs Lions \
Down 27-10 entering 4th @ 49ers\
Down 28-6 entering 4th vs Eagles
Down 34-7 entering 4th @ Eagles

Concerning part is the deficits entering most of the 4th quarter losses then the losses themselves.

 

[blueblood70]

2023
Down 28-10 entering 4th at 49ers
Down 24-3 enter 4th at buffalo

2024
Down 35-16 entering 4th vs Saints
Down 37-9 entering 4th vs Lions \
Down 27-10 entering 4th @ 49ers\
Down 28-6 entering 4th vs Eagles
Down 34-7 entering 4th @ Eagles

Concerning part is the deficits entering most of the 4th quarter losses then the losses themselves.

That's good data but I'll add to it just off memory I knew it was going to be like that and they're going to blame the offense for not keeping up and I'm going to tell you that some of these things were lopsided out of the gate how the Green Bay Packer 1st round playoff loss at home you know Parsons was there by the way They dominated us from the first snap to the last I mean of course you would like your offense to play better how do you think they feel pressure when they go into a game and they just watch the initial kickoff just get moved down the field like it was practiced And then the next one and the next one they allowed three straight touchdowns right out of the half how was your husband supposed to make a comeback if the defense never stops allowing scores you can't make a comeback unless your defense at some point stops allowing points...

So I guess the Philadelphia game one can be laid at the feet of the offense but I say it's a team loss But they did keep them from only scoring three points in the 2nd half and if it wasn't for a fumble and a bunch of drops we probably would have won that game But that wouldn't have been as big a deficit to overcome but it definitely was achievable and they didn't get it done..

I blame the defense more but I'd just rather call it AA team problem there have been special teams problems like in the Washington game the fumble kick off or hit the guy and he didn't get out of the way or whatever that was last year and we lost to Washington I mean it it we don't know all these what happened in the games but the special teams the fumbles missed opportunities the defense giving up too many points the offense too many scoreless series so yeah this is more of a team issue.

But like some have said I like to see the league wide I mean what expectation do you have if you're going into the 4th quarter down by three scores of actually coming back and winning those games and that's what a lot of those look like up there.....

 

[Johannes44]

2023
Down 28-10 entering 4th at 49ers
Down 24-3 enter 4th at buffalo

2024
Down 35-16 entering 4th vs Saints
Down 37-9 entering 4th vs Lions \
Down 27-10 entering 4th @ 49ers\
Down 28-6 entering 4th vs Eagles
Down 34-7 entering 4th @ Eagles

Concerning part is the deficits entering most of the 4th quarter losses then the losses themselves.

That generally happens when your offense just stops producing for long spells - sometimes entire quarters or even half the game like we saw last week.

 

[Flamma]

0-1 so far. I guess you’re hanging your hat on 0-1.

You said it was meaningless. This is a new season. We'll see. We're not off to a good start. That said, we can't blame Dak for this one.

 

[blueblood70]

That generally happens when your offense just stops producing for long spells - sometimes entire quarters or even half the game like we saw last week.

Ah dude you can try that and yes I'll give you some games that it could affect the defense if they get tired they can break down late in the game but when they come out and give up 20 points in the first half of games and then give up another 14 to 17 in the second half or whatever how these scores are is more on the defense great defenses don't make excuses let me give you an example because I have something going on right now with the Texas Longhorns my college team..

Our defense came out in game one against basically the best team in college football the Ohio State and they only gave up fourteen points all game on the road in game one..

. But the offense only scored seven points you see the problem there our defense held a team all game a better team to fourteen total points for the whole entire game.

Game two Texas Longhorns defense only gave up 7 points and eventually our offense got going and put up 38 points but they didn't need to they could have again only put up 10 points and won that game.....

Game three I'm watching right now we're in the 4th quarter and right now Texas has often struggled all game and finally got to 20 but you know what the defense is giving up three points that means Texas could win this game by scoring one touchdown they are not tired they're not making excuses every game they're playing this exact same way..

If it keeps going like this Texas in three games The average we'll just call it six points.

Know what teams have done this in the past the great teams like the Ravens and the Bears there's been defenses in the NFL that have been given up under 14 points a game the whole entire season that is what great defense looks like great defenses don't say Oh my God our offense isn't scoring enough we're tired and we're giving up no they're not to DeMarcus Lawrence and Tank they're not MR I can't go 100 percent all game..

Making excuses for bad defense we're not talking about horrible defense but if you look back at Mike Nolan's defenses what they were doing on offense before Prescott got hurt in 2020 he was on pace for like a ridiculous amount of yards and points but they still couldn't win the games because the defense never stopped giving up scores....

I just want to be clear on what we're talking about here most of the time our defense has given up a score on every single starting drive I can remember going back for five years if that's where you want to stay they have almost always given up points coming out of halftime almost every game going back five years they're giving up scores in bunches..

I do get it I know where you're coming from there's some games that were close and even though the defense didn't play great if the offense would have scored more we probably win and that would be last week even though the defense did not play great in the first half they played well enough in the 2nd half if the offense could have just scored once or a couple of field goals we win that game..

Overall our failures have been on defense these scores we're talking about were almost all on the defense..

Sometimes we got lucky a couple years back you remember that shootout in Seattle and and we had to almost score on every single possession and we won that game prescott did it but you can't do that that's not fair.

How about the Miami game a couple years back yeah the offense definitely in the first half just didn't really have it going but Prescott in the offense did what they could to give them a 1 point lead with four minutes left and the defense just let them walk down the field and score and we lost that game.. probably in some of these statistics what we're talking about

He did bring them back many times but when it's two to three scores down going into the 4th quarter it's mostly on the defense not all but mostly....

 

[Flamma]

Just think about that for a minute, we had ALL WORLD PARSONS on the team and STILL LOST. Hopefully, the TEAM does better without him.

Yep. As good as he was, he didn't move the needle.

 

[blueblood70]

You said it was meaningless. This is a new season. We'll see. We're not off to a good start. That said, we can't blame Dak for this one.

Yeah, but we can blame the whole team I get what people are trying to say but the deepest didn't do anything in the first half you can't give them all the credit for being better in the 2nd half no you have to say you gave up 21 points in the first half that lost us the game...

So this is also goes back to the team a lot of games you can go back to plays on both sides of the ball and that's even includes the San Francisco games in the playoffs where it looked close or even the Rams game that's on the defense I don't care how close the game look we know the defense 8 up our time of possession by giving up 278 yards on the ground but from a casual who didn't watch the game you think it was our offense just didn't get score enough now we didn't get enough possessions that's the problem and instead of San Francisco game in the first half we gave up 10 yards per carry to Devo Samuels it doesn't matter that it was only a 6 point game we also lost time of possession in those games.

But I get both sides of this argument but most of the time has been squarely on the defense for losing these games they've given up the final drives whether it was a field goal or a touchdown to guys like Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs too many times they have ruined our quarterbacks reputation both Romo and Prescott because you can't stop team when it counts.

I noted up there don't you remember that Miami game yeah the offense wasn't putting up big points but they were able to with be the last drive that they had the ball score put us up by one with 4 minutes left and what happened Yep the defense just let them walk right back down the field and win the game that's what been going on around here for a very long time..

Have been a few occasions you can blame the offense but I don't want to hear about a couple of interceptions in the Green Bay packer lost because all I remember is from the first snap almost to the last the defense never made a stop and they can't blame the offense for being On the field too little and not giving them a rest that's lame i'm I don't want to hear that.....