Will the coaches learn from their mistakes vs Detroit and have a solid game plan?

[Captain43Crash]

We are going to play an off man soft zone for 90 percent if not more of the game on defense and we are just going to have to deal with it. Our corners will be 10 yards off the ball and only four will go after the QB.

It doesn’t matter if we give up 40 points. It doesn’t matter what the situation is. That’s going to be the way it is because that’s what it’s been all year come hell or high water. This defensive coordinator doesn’t care about any of that.

I saw it live in Charlotte attending the game and we’ve seen it every week no matter what is going on.

That’s the only thing I know for certain we will get from the coaching staff.

Doesn’t Shotty see this too?

 

[Rayman70]

I like Shotty so far, but I’m definitely not sold on him. To often we start slow on offense. Specifically there are things that can be done to protect struggling players. He needs to make sure our OT’s get help either by play design or chipping etc.
What happened in the Arizona game? Nobody did their job, including the coaches!

Also, Shotty is the HC. He is ultimately responsible for the offense and defense. He sees the defensive backs playing soft in blitz situations etc. He makes excuses for Kenneth Murray.

The slow starts are on the supporting cast many times. Not so much Shotty or Dak but it seems like the oline has to be smacked in the chops a few times before they wake up. That has to end today. Our line hasn't been as advertised honestly. It's a myth. They aren't even good. They are fair to middling, with moments where they shine. Not often enough though.

 

[Captain43Crash]

So did Detroit. They seemed to rise to the occasion. Especially with their payoff life on the line.

There coaches helped a lot. They put them in positions, so it would be easier for them to make plays.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I also think the receivers were worn out. Pickens is going to have a great game against Minnesota.

I hope you are right!

I also hope Shotty max protects at times. Leaves 7 guys into block, to hopefully, give Dak extra time, to find one of our 3 receivers down field, or our TE/RB after chipping.

 

[blueblood70]

Before the Detroit game, and after our big wins vs Philly and KC, I thought if the coaches had solid game plans, we had a very good chance of beating Detroit.

Well, the game plan vs Detroit was far from solid. It was actually very basic and predictable in a couple areas. If Shotty and Eberflus fix, these fixable, problems we have a good chance of earning a W vs Minnesota.

Eberflus’s problem has been a consistent problem most of the year, especially prior to the trade deadline. It was a problem vs Detroit. His pass defense plays to soft on the back end, in both zone, and man to man. And his defense does not work together. Vs Detroit early in the game when we would blitz and get some pressure the back end was playing soft and giving up easy completions, even though Goff was getting rid of the ball very quickly! When the D blitz’s everyone on the D has to be prepared to make a play on the ball quickly, and play tighter coverage. No soft man( Bland) or soft zone when we blitz!

Shotty pulled a Jason Garrett( Chaz Green game) and didn’t help his OT’s on passing downs. Dak played a very good game considering the pressure he was under due to the OT’s lousy play. We have 3 excellent receivers let them beat the coverage down field and keep our TE and RB in to chip. They still can get into the pattern after chipping. Shotty needs to game plan using plays which make life a little easier on passing downs for the tackles( chipping, screens, max protect with 7guys sometimes and let our 3 receivers do their thing).

Coaching Matters a lot. A solid game plan and we win!!!

Look is less to do about game plans, and the fact that the game plans, are not being carried out because of lack of execution,

I'm not making excuses for them, and I'm talking more about the offense,

because the defense, anything you say negative, it's deserving, the criticism is deserving,


I don't think he has learned his lesson, he may learn it for the first 2 series like he did with Detroit, and then go right back to prevent defense, all game and that's just sickening, I get sick thinking about it..


I mean think about it we've seen games early on like the second half of the Philadelphia game, they only gave up three points, they did a pretty good job, and then they just revert back to crap prevent style Cover 3, whatever you want to call it,

it looks like there's no resistance ,it's like they're trying to protect a lead, they never had ,the same way in the Jets gam,e they had five sacks in the jets game, they brought pressure and then reverted back to crap, We've seen it on great display, I believe it was the Washington game they were very aggressive, The game plan throughout the game, they just kept the pressure on.

I Find it odd that we can see that one week or like I said in the Lions game the 1st 2 series ,and then he just has a giant brain fart ,and thinks he could just go back to what wasn't working and all of a sudden it would start working?

ON The offense,

it's kind of crazy that people think it's maybe Brian or Prescott whatever not getting early leads or whatever,

but that is not the truth these drop passes ,these fumbles ,these penalties or just bad execution by the tackles not giving the quarterback time to find the better option or worse the balls are bouncing off people's hands turning into interceptions Or you're in 3rd and long and behind a change because of the penalties these are why our offense hasn't got off to a Quaker start or got leads and kept them because along with a bad defense you just have too many mistakes that the execution isn't there for the offense because the guys are open I mean when you look at the Detroit game how many of those balls hit a guy in the hand or the stomach that turned into an interception or turned into a fumble those were successful play calls Almost everybody did it right except for the player that decided to have a bad game or the player decided to not give maximum effort in the game....

Let's just hope the offense can play a clean game ,and that the special teams does their job at very minimum and stop giving up short fields, and maybe they can help the defense enough to win this game, because that's what we need we don't need the defense to be perfect, we just need them to put up some resistance...

it's very deflating when your team fights back in a game to get the game within three points with 10 minutes left, and you can think OK now maybe the DC will get aggressive, and go out there and try to take it to the Lions, because our offense now has a chance to win this, game ,it's a 3 point game 10 minutes left ,and what do they do they give up two more touchdowns rather easily, lot of time taking off the clock and now it's over....


We need all three of our phases to work together, like ballet, and try to all have the cleanest game possible,


because the Lions game there were so many warts on all three levels with turnovers and mistakes but the short fields and what not can kill a team more than anything besides turnovers and we saw it all..

 

[blueblood70]

I hope you are right!

I also hope Shotty max protects at times. Leaves 7 guys into block, to hopefully, give Dak extra time, to find one of our 3 receivers down field, or our TE/RB after chipping.

I'm not worried about the offense, it was more mental mistakes, that they two interceptions that hit guys in the hand and the stomach the fumble by Ferguson,

I mean you take those away we might still lose because the defense is the key here, special teams not giving up short fields, over and over all game is insane, I'm not worried about the offense, those were mental mistakes, fatigue whatever, it might have been, it doesn't matter,

it I don't think they're going to do those 2 weeks in a row especially against the Vikings, at home....

Like you pointed out, and I think we need to just deflect everything away from the offense,


the special teams need to play better, but the defense they have to put up resistance, I'm getting tired of them playing like they have a 14 point lead right from the first series, it they need to be aggressive all game, I don't care if we lose I don't care if we give up 44 points again, if you did it being aggressive, and playing full speed, like our coaches used to tell me, if you make your mistakes at full speed, we can live with it ,Just go out and don't give it up so easily!

I Still don't understand how Matt after all this has gone on for 14 weeks or whatever it's been, I can't figure out that you can't play this style of zone, because it looks like a prevent defense ,which are only supposed to play with a big lead at the end of games, And even then typically it don't work, most people think it's a joke now ,the only thing prevent defense does and being passive is prevent you from winning.

How is this man's ego so bad, and so big that he just doesn't understand, you might as well lose going for it being aggressive, going at full speed, that way there is no reason to say you know what we tried our best, and lost,

Matt, you're not trying your best when you're playing that kind of weak **** prevent style defense it's horrible because that's what Cover 3 looks like to me with this roster you're look like you're letting them walk down the field to eat up all that time and then when you're down your offense is getting left series because of it it's not what you're supposed to be playing all game....

 

[Praxit]

Eberjoke went to playing safe way. Didn't get aggressive. Set tone for rest of game

Only good that came from this. People finally got to see how bad Murray is. Going forward will see less of him. Hopefully.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Doesn’t Shotty see this too?

Shotty is the ultimate yes man. He’s nothing different than what we’ve had the last 30 years with the exception of Parcells.

Eberflus has free rein because that’s what Jerry says is going to happen. Shotty is irrelevant in this.

 

[blueblood70]

Shotty is the ultimate yes man. He’s nothing different than what we’ve had the last 30 years with the exception of Parcells.

Eberflus has free rein because that’s what Jerry says is going to happen. Shotty is irrelevant in this.

You guys never failed to entertain, and not in a good way,.
.

you'll act like you live there at the star, that you attend all the meetings, that you're at the close practices, that you know what's being talked abou,t what's said, only because of what you hear..

I don't want to hear about Jerry and 30 years and a yes man blah blah blah..

I'm sure Schottenheimer is very angry about all of this, and he's not taking it lying down, and they've been trying to make Matt do his job better, and guess what, matt has a contract, and once the games start ,what what's shot to do in games?

He's concentrating on the offense ,and he's trying to concentrate on the team, but the reason you delegate is so you can concentrate on your main areas, and let your defensive coordinator just be himself, and that's the problem ,but he can't fix that, it's not because he's a yes man,

I don't know of any front offices any ownership groups that's ever fired a first-year coaching staff in the middle of a season, not one, I don't know any of them that actually fired or threw their coaches under a bus in public to satisfy delusional fans ,who think they know what's really going on behind the scenes...

I'm sure they've been trying to get through to Matt as much as possible, but you can only do so much as a head coach ,

He's not a yes coach, he literally has his own jobs and responsibilities to do, and during the week, I'm sure he's over there telling Matt he needs to get better but outside of that ,he has no control over who's still coaching, or who's still on this roster, No head coach does,

that's a GM and an owner that decides who your roster looks like, and you just got to do your best you can with it,


but Matt will most likely lose his job in the offseason, but right now, no team I've ever seen has fired a first year coach in the middle of the year ,that's what really needed to be done ,but they usually give him time to fix it, they give him more opportunities to fix it, and right now Matt reverting back to his old ways and I'm sure behind the scenes, he's being told it's unacceptable, but there's not a lot you can do about it, right now especially once the kickoff starts in a game, I don't care how the week of practice went, and all the things you try to go over, you can't go over there and make him do anything different once the game is going by way too fast, for you to make changes to that part of the team.....



So as much as you want to feel like you think Schottenheimer is OK with this, and that he's not speaking his mind behind closed doors, you're the delusional one, because you think you're a self-entitled, know it all ,fan that knows everything ,and no you can't make an assumption because what you think is going on the last 30 years, this is not the last 30 years ,this is Brian Schottenheimer and you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in closed door meetings ,and closed practices ,

I LED with it and I'll leave it there, You're wrong...


the big changes in the offseason, if that's what Brian Schottenheimer really wants ,I'm sure he can dictate it ,he's not a yes man, He could just simply do what Parsons did, just do it from a coaching perch, and throw Jerry under the bus and actually put it out there what the real story is, and then what's the worst that can happen?? he gets fired and he can go ahead and steal that money from Jerry, if you think Jerry don't fire guys, then there you go...

I hope that's what happens this offseason I don't care what Jerry or Stephen feels like right now about Matt if Brian truly wants him gone they will change him out they did it with Mike Nolan they can do it again but it has to be in the offseason so we are stuck with this throughout the rest of the year and it has nothing to do with Brian Schottenheimer being weak or anything like that that is just ridiculous...

 

[Captain43Crash]

You guys never failed to entertain, and not in a good way,.
.

you'll act like you live there at the star, that you attend all the meetings, that you're at the close practices, that you know what's being talked abou,t what's said, only because of what you hear..

I don't want to hear about Jerry and 30 years and a yes man blah blah blah..

I'm sure Schottenheimer is very angry about all of this, and he's not taking it lying down, and they've been trying to make Matt do his job better, and guess what, matt has a contract, and once the games start ,what what's shot to do in games?

He's concentrating on the offense ,and he's trying to concentrate on the team, but the reason you delegate is so you can concentrate on your main areas, and let your defensive coordinator just be himself, and that's the problem ,but he can't fix that, it's not because he's a yes man,

I don't know of any front offices any ownership groups that's ever fired a first-year coaching staff in the middle of a season, not one, I don't know any of them that actually fired or threw their coaches under a bus in public to satisfy delusional fans ,who think they know what's really going on behind the scenes...

I'm sure they've been trying to get through to Matt as much as possible, but you can only do so much as a head coach ,

He's not a yes coach, he literally has his own jobs and responsibilities to do, and during the week, I'm sure he's over there telling Matt he needs to get better but outside of that ,he has no control over who's still coaching, or who's still on this roster, No head coach does,

that's a GM and an owner that decides who your roster looks like, and you just got to do your best you can with it,


but Matt will most likely lose his job in the offseason, but right now, no team I've ever seen has fired a first year coach in the middle of the year ,that's what really needed to be done ,but they usually give him time to fix it, they give him more opportunities to fix it, and right now Matt reverting back to his old ways and I'm sure behind the scenes, he's being told it's unacceptable, but there's not a lot you can do about it, right now especially once the kickoff starts in a game, I don't care how the week of practice went, and all the things you try to go over, you can't go over there and make him do anything different once the game is going by way too fast, for you to make changes to that part of the team.....



So as much as you want to feel like you think Schottenheimer is OK with this, and that he's not speaking his mind behind closed doors, you're the delusional one, because you think you're a self-entitled, know it all ,fan that knows everything ,and no you can't make an assumption because what you think is going on the last 30 years, this is not the last 30 years ,this is Brian Schottenheimer and you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in closed door meetings ,and closed practices ,

I LED with it and I'll leave it there, You're wrong...


the big changes in the offseason, if that's what Brian Schottenheimer really wants ,I'm sure he can dictate it ,he's not a yes man, He could just simply do what Parsons did, just do it from a coaching perch, and throw Jerry under the bus and actually put it out there what the real story is, and then what's the worst that can happen?? he gets fired and he can go ahead and steal that money from Jerry, if you think Jerry don't fire guys, then there you go...

I hope that's what happens this offseason I don't care what Jerry or Stephen feels like right now about Matt if Brian truly wants him gone they will change him out they did it with Mike Nolan they can do it again but it has to be in the offseason so we are stuck with this throughout the rest of the year and it has nothing to do with Brian Schottenheimer being weak or anything like that that is just ridiculous...

For someone who complains about fans who think they know what is going on behind closed doors, you sure think you know what’s going on behind closed doors.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Shotty is the ultimate yes man. He’s nothing different than what we’ve had the last 30 years with the exception of Parcells.

Eberflus has free rein because that’s what Jerry says is going to happen. Shotty is irrelevant in this.

I think your wrong, but Jerry is our owner.

 

[ghst187]

For one or two games and fool us again, then go back to beinglazy

 

[Whyjerry]

Shottenheimer is capable enough to adjust. He is the same clownish coach he has always been but with a little ego added on now. Guy is not a serious head coach.

 

[CrownCowboy]

You guys never failed to entertain, and not in a good way,.
.

you'll act like you live there at the star, that you attend all the meetings, that you're at the close practices, that you know what's being talked abou,t what's said, only because of what you hear..

I don't want to hear about Jerry and 30 years and a yes man blah blah blah..

I'm sure Schottenheimer is very angry about all of this, and he's not taking it lying down, and they've been trying to make Matt do his job better, and guess what, matt has a contract, and once the games start ,what what's shot to do in games?

He's concentrating on the offense ,and he's trying to concentrate on the team, but the reason you delegate is so you can concentrate on your main areas, and let your defensive coordinator just be himself, and that's the problem ,but he can't fix that, it's not because he's a yes man,

I don't know of any front offices any ownership groups that's ever fired a first-year coaching staff in the middle of a season, not one, I don't know any of them that actually fired or threw their coaches under a bus in public to satisfy delusional fans ,who think they know what's really going on behind the scenes...

I'm sure they've been trying to get through to Matt as much as possible, but you can only do so much as a head coach ,

He's not a yes coach, he literally has his own jobs and responsibilities to do, and during the week, I'm sure he's over there telling Matt he needs to get better but outside of that ,he has no control over who's still coaching, or who's still on this roster, No head coach does,

that's a GM and an owner that decides who your roster looks like, and you just got to do your best you can with it,


but Matt will most likely lose his job in the offseason, but right now, no team I've ever seen has fired a first year coach in the middle of the year ,that's what really needed to be done ,but they usually give him time to fix it, they give him more opportunities to fix it, and right now Matt reverting back to his old ways and I'm sure behind the scenes, he's being told it's unacceptable, but there's not a lot you can do about it, right now especially once the kickoff starts in a game, I don't care how the week of practice went, and all the things you try to go over, you can't go over there and make him do anything different once the game is going by way too fast, for you to make changes to that part of the team.....



So as much as you want to feel like you think Schottenheimer is OK with this, and that he's not speaking his mind behind closed doors, you're the delusional one, because you think you're a self-entitled, know it all ,fan that knows everything ,and no you can't make an assumption because what you think is going on the last 30 years, this is not the last 30 years ,this is Brian Schottenheimer and you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in closed door meetings ,and closed practices ,

I LED with it and I'll leave it there, You're wrong...


the big changes in the offseason, if that's what Brian Schottenheimer really wants ,I'm sure he can dictate it ,he's not a yes man, He could just simply do what Parsons did, just do it from a coaching perch, and throw Jerry under the bus and actually put it out there what the real story is, and then what's the worst that can happen?? he gets fired and he can go ahead and steal that money from Jerry, if you think Jerry don't fire guys, then there you go...

I hope that's what happens this offseason I don't care what Jerry or Stephen feels like right now about Matt if Brian truly wants him gone they will change him out they did it with Mike Nolan they can do it again but it has to be in the offseason so we are stuck with this throughout the rest of the year and it has nothing to do with Brian Schottenheimer being weak or anything like that that is just ridiculous...

And you guys kill me when you don't believe what's in front of your freakin eyes.

Are you telling me that this team hasn't been stocked with head coaches over the 30 years that had any real say? Is that what you are telling me? If you are then you are an idiot. Well that's already a given.

I can make any assumptions I want. Because at the end of the day, you don't know squat for sure either. But the results, the processes, the way this team has been ran all favors what I am saying here, not you.

What has gone on with Diggs has been vague but no matter what happens the ultimate say is Jerry's, not your boy who is the Head Coach. He is irrelevant as I said. And when Jerry makes that decision, your boy will sit there and shake his head up and down and say........yes lol.

Now sit down.

 

[CrownCowboy]

I think your wrong, but Jerry is our owner.

Jerry has already hinted at keeping Eberflus.

So either Schotty is in favor of that or he has really no say in it at all.

Either way, none of it matters. This is Jerry's toy and he'll do what he wants with it.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Doesn’t Shotty see this too?

Of course he does.

What has he done about it all year?