Dak Prescott deserves more respect

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steve, i never see you get out of line. you are a model contributor.

but these warnings you speak of. how are they dispatched? personal message on here or is it a knock on the door?
Warning come to you through messaging system. It's a private message.

I did break the rule...I intentionally mispelled a few...er..bad words. It was very kind of the staff to issue the warning rather than benched. o_O:rolleyes::)

I really shouldn't let this person get to me like that. But every now and then...:mad:
 
That's leaguewide. Nothing to see here.
But the previous post showed that Brady had higher percentage than Dak's 50% vs rest of the league one. So there is something to see there, as in it shows why you shouldn't be comparing Dak to Brady, because Brady was over .500 vs the rest of the league.
 
steve, i never see you get out of line. you are a model contributor.

but these warnings you speak of. how are they dispatched? personal message on here or is it a knock on the door?
In my case I had two guys sitting at the end of my driveway in a blacked out Lincoln Navigator when I went out to get the paper one morning. They pulled out as I approached the mailbox and drove by real slow. I can't be sure but I think my Dak jammies saved me from getting roughed up.

Been on my best behavior here since.
 
In my case I had two guys sitting at the end of my driveway in a blacked out Lincoln Navigator when I went out to get the paper one morning. They pulled out as I approached the mailbox and drove by real slow. I can't be sure but I think my Dak jammies saved me from getting roughed up.

Been on my best behavior here since.
good info my friend.

sounds like it mighta been @Coogiguy03
 
good info my friend.

sounds like it mighta been @Coogiguy03
Could have been. Although usually the hangarounds trying to get in the club aren't coming back without a trophy to prove themselves. I'd probably be missing a typing finger or two if it was Coogs.
 
These are team accolades, it's important to understand the difference.

I keep telling people this but they want to pretend that there aren't 52 other players/21 other starters who have a hand in these victories as well.

This isn't boxing or golf.
 
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I’m not really in favor of naming anyone greatest of all time. Greatest of an era is better suited. And in most cases who you grew up with or first made impression is difficult to surpass.

My grandfather swore Sammy Baugh was greatest he ever saw, my dad Johnny Unitas. Did they think the next eras QB’s were great, yes but no one made the lasting impressions of those. Much like I was impressed as a kid in 60’s with Namath before Dandy, Roger and others caught my imagination.

I’d agree that Montana was greatest of his era and one of the all time greatest. And in a Cap era when we haven’t really had dynasties what Brady accomplished with Bill and Pats was truly great. And the fact he did it with Tampa too punctuates his greatness. You just can’t take away those 7 Rings. And Mahomes is on the verge of reaching immortality as well.

Problem with Dak regardless whatever personal stats he puts up will never be placed into those categories. Instead he’ll be in that next group of QB’s without winning Rings which isn’t all bad.

And why drawing these type of comparisons the OP is attempting is more about the frustration from the criticisms. But that’s the nature of the business. Ask Dandy, Morton, Danny and Romo.

That’s just Cowboys . There’s a long list of NFL QB’s that fall into this next group cause weren’t on teams with Rings. It is what it is. Winning leaves no doubt. The rest will always be argued. That’s the nature of the QB position. Fans always have their favs and will go to bat for them.
Depends on perception. I've watched several QBs now get extremely favorable calls. Mahomes is the latest. BUFF got FUBARed last season, and badly. JAX got FUBARed so Brady would be in the super bowl. It really takes very little evaluation to see what's happening, the NFL wants certain QBs in, and they want close games. It's not an accident that blowouts are much less frequent than they used to be, and comebacks now rule the day.

So, I do take away some of those 7 rings, sorry.
 
But the previous post showed that Brady had higher percentage than Dak's 50% vs rest of the league one. So there is something to see there, as in it shows why you shouldn't be comparing Dak to Brady, because Brady was over .500 vs the rest of the league.
Wins & losses are a team statistic.
 
I keep telling people this but they want to pretend that there aren't 52 other players/21 other starters who have a hand in these victories as well.

This isn't boxing or golf.
Right. I mean, if you even want to compare QBs, you really should stick with the same era using individual statistics. Some inject one with the other to make a "point."
 
That's leaguewide. Nothing to see here.
And strong divisions come and go. A division might have 3 playoff teams, and then 4-5 yrs later they might be lucky to have 1.

Look at the NFC South, for instance. Picking out a random year, 2017. Division records:

11-5
11-5
10-6
5-11

3 teams from that division made the playoffs that season.

Fast forward. Now, the division winner is getting in w/ a record around .500.

Things change. Using a poor/great division for any sort of argument is rather silly.
 
Funny TB 7-3 in 10 SBs, 10-4 in CCGs, but Dak is king 0 SB, 0 CCGs but he beat a 8-9 Brady led team, what world do you live in. This is really embarrassing for you

Again, Trent Dilfer is 1-0 in Superbowl wins.

Jim Kelly is 0-4
Joe Burrows is 0-1
Dan Marino is 0-1.
Josh Allen never made it to one.
Justin Herbert never made it to one.
Lamar Jackson never made it to one.
Trevor Lawrence never made it to one.

So according to your logic, if we started a draft and all these quarterbacks were in it, Trent Dilfer should be the first one drafted, correct?
 
And strong divisions come and go. A division might have 3 playoff teams, and then 4-5 yrs later they might be lucky to have 1.

Look at the NFC South, for instance. Picking out a random year, 2017. Division records:

11-5
11-5
10-6
5-11

3 teams from that division made the playoffs that season.

Fast forward. Now, the division winner is getting in w/ a record around .500.

Things change. Using a poor/great division for any sort of argument is rather silly.
Beating teams also contributes to their potentially losing record. :)
 
Wins & losses are a team statistic.
Who is talking wins and losses specifically? What we are pointing out, and you guys are purposefully trying to overlook is simple. You are more likely to build up -- pad -- personal statistics when you win games versus when you lose games. So when you play in a division where you win 80% of the time, you statistics are going to look better than if you play in a division where you only win 50% of the time. Your personal statistics are going to greatly benefit from having 4 games to pad your stats on against two bottom feeders teams, Washington and the gnats, versus if your team were located in the NFC West or NFC North which has teams you tend to struggle against. That is why Brady being above .500 outside his division shows that he earned his stats against the league at whole, versus just against a bad division where he got to pad them in.
 
So....Montana and Staubach...NEVER "looked decidedly mortal". Ever.

You sure?
Never said that.. But what I will say is that I saw both of them take 8-9 sack beatings behind poor o-line play and still keep fighting and most of the time winning. Of course they both lost some and got their arses whupped. But I just know that theirs was a more physically demanding era which in turn required a level of mental toughness I can't say I ever saw Brady display. Brady was quick to dirt the ball or throw it into the stands rather than take a hit for much of his career. As you know, that sort of thing was actually illegal for all of Roger's and most of Montana's career. Again not speaking in any absolutes.. I just trust those guys more than I would Brady when faced with a fierce pass rush. Maybe when everything is clean and he can stand back there and make a sammich Brady was better. I can't say.. but I do know that those two handled pressure better. I mean didn't Too Tall and Co sack Montana like 7-8 times and hit him a bunch more in that 1981 NFC Championship game and he still managed to win it anyway? I will go look it up but my recollection is that our defense was all over him that day and he just kept on firing. And I don't think he had much of a running game to speak of. Much as I hated the Niners I respected the hell out him and them after that game.
 
Never said that.. But what I will say is that I saw both of them take 8-9 sack beatings behind poor o-line play and still keep fighting and most of the time winning. Of course they both lost some and got their arses whupped. But I just know that theirs was a more physically demanding era which in turn required a level of mental toughness I can't say I ever saw Brady display. Brady was quick to dirt the ball or throw it into the stands rather than take a hit for much of his career. As you know, that sort of thing was actually illegal for all of Roger's and most of Montana's career. Again not speaking in any absolutes.. I just trust those guys more than I would Brady when faced with a fierce pass rush. Maybe when everything is clean and he can stand back there and make a sammich Brady was better. I can't say.. but I do know that those two handled pressure better. I mean didn't Too Tall and Co sack Montana like 7-8 times and hit him a bunch more in that 1981 NFC Championship game and he still managed to win it anyway? I will go look it up but my recollection is that our defense was all over him that day and he just kept on firing. And I don't think he had much of a running game to speak of. Much as I hated the Niners I respected the hell out him and them after that game.
Marshall Faulk.

And Montana used the short passing game as a running game.
 
No I wasn't. I was saying that his personal statistics benefited from playing against a weak division, with two bottom feeder teams in it, where he won 80% of his games. When playing outside this division he only wins 50% of his games. So obviously, his personal stats wouldn't have been as high if he played in the NFC West or NFC North, against teams the Cowboys don't do as well against and his personal statistics against those teams aren't as good as. Or are you saying that personally statistics don't benefit from wins and aren't negatively impacted by loses? Does not a quarterback, usually, have a better day against a bad team versus a good team? I mean you guys can play dumb all you want, but the rest of us understand the concept of causation.
 
Again, Trent Dilfer is 1-0 in Superbowl wins.

Jim Kelly is 0-4
Joe Burrows is 0-1
Dan Marino is 0-1.
Josh Allen never made it to one.
Justin Herbert never made it to one.
Lamar Jackson never made it to one.
Trevor Lawrence never made it to one.

So according to your logic, if we started a draft and all these quarterbacks were in it, Trent Dilfer should be the first one drafted, correct?
I guess you missed this TB Dak comparison, this is your straw man usual post, and I'd take 0-4 Kelly, 0-1 JB, 0-1 DM or CCG JA and CCG LJ so wouldn't any sane person. what's Dak's record in CCGs, you need to ditch this sad argument because you know it's just sad.
 
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