The Fan on FA Sam Williams future as a Cowboy

[jterrell]

Or even one year. Gives him a chance to improve his market value

Forest and trees thing here.

Sam should want a 1-year deal and at most 2 but Dallas should want a 3-year 9M deal if they can get it from him.

That's peasant money for a 26-year old.

You can easily replace Sam in FA but it may cost you twice as much to get 10% better.
I am not looking for Sam as a starter but a cheap vet for depth.

All that said; he does make some really dumb plays and played at a replacement level last year. Scored with likes of Brandon Graham and DeMarvion Leal.

A guy signed at 3 years 9M can easily be cut if he sucks. And you need basic depth and camp fodder.

 

[jterrell]

Good guy but time to move on.

I'd rather go after Jaelen Phillips if he's healthy (as a good price)

This is why we cannot have adult discussions "on here".

This entire thread is about Sam at 3 years for 9M and the thread has broken down into people not smart enough to realize 3 years at 9M is better for the team than 1 or 2 years at the same AAV and others clamoring for FAR more expensive players who would surely start.

• 3 years, $52,015,059 --thats the market estimation for Jaelan Philips.

 

[phildadon86]

This is why we cannot have adult discussions "on here".

This entire thread is about Sam at 3 years for 9M and the thread has broken down into people not smart enough to realize 3 years at 9M is better for the team than 1 or 2 years at the same AAV and others clamoring for FAR more expensive players who would surely start.

• 3 years, $52,015,059 --thats the market estimation for Jaelan Philips.

Not to mention Phillips is a concussion away from never playing again.

I also don’t want to keep Williams. I want all of the dumb players off of this team. Sam is the top of that list.

 

[Floatyworm]

You defer to someone who has no track record whatsoever in evaluating talent. He was an assistant who coached talent, he didn't acquire it.

And he didn't even coach Sam's position.

Go Cowboys, bro.

I'll trust what I've seen for 4 years and I really don't care what Christian Parker thinks about it. Sam Williams is a waste of time.

I wouldn't even know where to play SW in this 3-4. He can't rush...he can't cover as a LB. Move him inside to DT? Don't think so....Too small to hold up in run. He's just a bad fit now. Move on.

 

[conner01]

Forest and trees thing here.

Sam should want a 1-year deal and at most 2 but Dallas should want a 3-year 9M deal if they can get it from him.

That's peasant money for a 26-year old.

You can easily replace Sam in FA but it may cost you twice as much to get 10% better.
I am not looking for Sam as a starter but a cheap vet for depth.

All that said; he does make some really dumb plays and played at a replacement level last year. Scored with likes of Brandon Graham and DeMarvion Leal.

A guy signed at 3 years 9M can easily be cut if he sucks. And you need basic depth and camp fodder.

Good point on replacement. So many fans think you can just go out and get a guy for a couple million. That’s my thinking on Steele too. Steele sux as a pass blocker, really good run blocker. He’s over paid but a replacement plus the dead cap from cutting him would cost more. 3 for 3 wouldn’t be bad for Williams.that price in FA gets you probably less talent than he has

 

[pitt33]

I have never understood the philosophy of giving a “project” player who needs “time to develop” four full years to develop….then after they do not develop, say, “let’s re-sign this guy”.

To me this is exactly the kind of thinking that has given us the last 30 years.

Landry would give a player 3 years. If he didn’t produce he let him go.

 

[MikeT22]

Low IQ dud. Maybe Washington will overpay for him.

 

[NeonNinja]

This is very easy. Pass.

 

[RonWashington]

James Houston ex Lion 27 yrs old gave Dallas 5.5 sacks in 26 . Bring Clowney back as well plus Ez and a draft pick

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What did Jimmy say about a hammer and dumb players?

 

[Londonboy]

All sizzle, no sausage.

Time to move on.

 

[jterrell]

Not to mention Phillips is a concussion away from never playing again.

I also don’t want to keep Williams. I want all of the dumb players off of this team. Sam is the top of that list.

That is a very fair take. Sam makes a ton of bonehead plays.

But you are not getting anything resembling a solid Edge at 3 years for 9M.
Sam being goofy is the only reason you get an athlete of his caliber at that rate.
And the one thing guys tend to do as they age is learn.

Recall Chauncey Gholston got 3 years and 19.5M and I do not think he made a single play in his Cowboys career.

He also did not just randomly jump offsides though so there is that.

 

[Coogiguy03]

You can’t fix stupid.

my mother may she rest in peace always said this!!! lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is why we cannot have adult discussions "on here".

This entire thread is about Sam at 3 years for 9M and the thread has broken down into people not smart enough to realize 3 years at 9M is better for the team than 1 or 2 years at the same AAV and others clamoring for FAR more expensive players who would surely start.

• 3 years, $52,015,059 --thats the market estimation for Jaelan Philips.

I agree. Phillips is a prime example of a guy you shouldn’t pay but fans will clamor for it and then say Jerry is stuoid when it flops.

 

[blueblood70]

Hard pass........
Sam had 4 years ........... he's replaceable

If you want him replaced with someone almost exact ,why not keep him,

we don't know if we're going to improve for that kind of money, why not just keep the guy who possibly would be a good fit for CP's new defense..

I don't really care either way I'd let CP decide this He will have his hand just like Schottenheimer and all these decisions on who to keep and who to get rid of,

but she just can't scrap the whole team, just because he's replaceable doesn't mean the guy you're replacing him with is going to be any better.

So, I don't know I don't know where they're going to go with it there's so many guys to replace on defense you just can't cut them all.. There's going to be some role players that are going to be holdovers from the last year's defense whether we like it or not they just can't get rid of everyone.

Although sitting here thinking about this before I hit reply, if I had a choice, I think I'd rather keep James Houston over him, if I had to make the choice,

I think he'd make a better strong side in a 34..

 

[blueblood70]

Forest and trees thing here.

Sam should want a 1-year deal and at most 2 but Dallas should want a 3-year 9M deal if they can get it from him.

That's peasant money for a 26-year old.

You can easily replace Sam in FA but it may cost you twice as much to get 10% better.
I am not looking for Sam as a starter but a cheap vet for depth.

All that said; he does make some really dumb plays and played at a replacement level last year. Scored with likes of Brandon Graham and DeMarvion Leal.

A guy signed at 3 years 9M can easily be cut if he sucks. And you need basic depth and camp fodder.

 

[blueblood70]

I have never understood the philosophy of giving a “project” player who needs “time to develop” four full years to develop….then after they do not develop, say, “let’s re-sign this guy”.

To me this is exactly the kind of thinking that has given us the last 30 years.

First of all, let me preface this by saying I can carry less whether he's on our team or not,

but that's chump change they're talking about paying him, mostly non-guaranteed,

This is why,

because they look around, and it's not just Cowboys players, look around the league and see guys, and I know this is just quarterbacks, but there are others,

that take time to develop; How is it that Geno Smith became a starter in this league, and now Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield took the long way around to get back where he is, And now the next two are Mac Jones and Willis, I believe his name is with the Green Bay,

these guys were thrown away, the fan bases watch their players get cut and go somewhere else and become really good or maybe even better than good, one now has a ring, that everybody around here thought was trash,

Sam Darnold is a Super Bowl winning quarterback after the teams cut him saying he wasn't good enough to remain on their team.

even us, we have that feel good story here, I mean JWilliams just got paid, but he was on the trash heap, nobody wanted him, he got cut our own fan base thought it was a bad signing, that we were going to have the worst run game in the league, and look what happened.

I'm not saying that's going to happen with Sam Williams,

i'm just saying that's the reason why you give players time to develop because when you get rid of them too long and by the way last example Nashawn Wright ,people now all like we shouldn't have let him go, right, now when he was here he was Sam Williams, and now he's on a really good defense, he learned something, and he's better, he may be getting a payday this year too, even though I still don't think he's great, But that's what happens when you give up on players.

I think some fan bases are worried they're going to go somewhere else, and play better on a competitor or a rival, and they don't want to let it go, but Sam Williams he's a bubble guy for me, he's not a fan favorite...

I think you're mistaking US saying that what that offer would be is chump change in today's NFL it might be worth keep keeping him around another year or two for somehow coveting him, That's not the case.

 

[reddyuta]

we need bodies at DE but some team will overpay for him.

 

[blueblood70]

I agree. Phillips is a prime example of a guy you shouldn’t pay but fans will clamor for it and then say Jerry is stuoid when it flops.

It may be a guy that should be on our radar, but that price, hell no ,straight up pass, hard pass.

I'm not paying that guy more than 15 million per year and there's going to have to be a lot of clauses but if he's so good why do you get traded and why are the Eagles not going to try to keep him,

Why haven't they paid him? you're all that talk Cowboys fans with Jerr

if this dude was that good they should have already paid? why have the eagles not addressed this. LOL

 

[Diehardblues]

Hard pass........
Sam had 4 years ........... he's replaceable

Looks like another early round bust on defense. Let him walk.