Seahawks were built the same way we were. my long-winded thoughts

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If the Seahawks could win a Super Bowl, I don't see why we can't. They're not doing too much different things than we are.

They went and got a good a decent free agent signing..... DeMarcus Lawrence, but it wasn't a splash move by any means. Not seeing much of a difference between their acquisition of Lawrence compared to our acquisition of Gary. Gary has 46.5 sacks on 106 games played..... which is .4386 sacks per game. Lawrence has 67.5 sacks on 157 games played which is .4299 sacks per game. They look about the same player to me. Gary has obviously been wasted a bit on an underperforming franchise, just like Lawrence the same on an underperforming franchise.

Seahawks have Leonard Williams..... but despite being in the league for 10 years made his first All-Pro appearance last year at age 31, and it was a 2nd team appearance. Not sure I see too much of a difference between him and Quinnen Williams except their sacks totals are about similar, and Quinnen was first year All-Pro at a much earlier age...... in 2022. Sure, Quinnen's sack totals have gone down since 2022.... but Leonard's sacks total went down since 2020 and picked back up in the last 2 years. So paper tells me these are similar players and Quinnen can rise his sack totals just like Leonard.

They hired a free, energetic young coach with no head coaching experience. We hired a coach with no head coaching experience. You can say Schotty isn't Mike Macdonald, but you can do nothing except hire a new coach and hope his upside is greater than his resume up to that point.

They drafted a receiver that would become the best receiver in the NFL. We drafted one close, and traded for another. We have even more good receivers than they do. Their Tight End also had about the same numbers as ours last year.

Their offensive line was built slowly thru the draft. As was ours. I do not know of anyone on their O-Line except Charles Cross. Their running backs might be superior, but we averaged 4.6 yards per carry last year, they averaged 4.1 yards per carry.

Their Quarterback is cheaper... but at this point that slight difference doesn't even matter.

We drafted the best defensive back in the draft. It's not a crazy thought to think he can be essentially what Devon Witherspoon was to the Seahawks last year. In year 1. I know Downs and Witherspoon don't play the exact same position, but if you ask me, I think safety play is even more important than CB play because safetys eliminate big plays while most cornerbacks are assigned to take out one player. Safety has different assignments depending on the play.

We added some pieces just like they did. We got players like Dee Winters, Cobie Durant, and Jalen Thompson. They did the same thing and got some good players.... but 0 splash players. We added 0 splash players. You're telling me the addition of 3 or 4 good players on their defense elevated them to Super Bowl winners? If that's the case, isn't that what we've just done with one more draft day left to go?

The only great big difference between them and us is their General Management. Everything else held equal, or at least not by a difference big enough to matter..... their general management is not gonna screw up a great opportunity. We've done this repeatedly.

But can anyone really say that we're doing very different things? They have a great defense but you're telling me that adding DeMarcus Lawrence made them elite? Laughable. We've done the same things to get to where we wanna go..... but you just have to be smart enough to not waste a good enough team. Seahawks didn't.
 
If the Seahawks could win a Super Bowl, I don't see why we can't. They're not doing too much different things than we are.

They went and got a good a decent free agent signing..... DeMarcus Lawrence, but it wasn't a splash move by any means. Not seeing much of a difference between their acquisition of Lawrence compared to our acquisition of Gary. Gary has 46.5 sacks on 106 games played..... which is .4386 sacks per game. Lawrence has 67.5 sacks on 157 games played which is .4299 sacks per game. They look about the same player to me. Gary has obviously been wasted a bit on an underperforming franchise, just like Lawrence the same on an underperforming franchise.

Seahawks have Leonard Williams..... but despite being in the league for 10 years made his first All-Pro appearance last year at age 31, and it was a 2nd team appearance. Not sure I see too much of a difference between him and Quinnen Williams except their sacks totals are about similar, and Quinnen was first year All-Pro at a much earlier age...... in 2022. Sure, Quinnen's sack totals have gone down since 2022.... but Leonard's sacks total went down since 2020 and picked back up in the last 2 years. So paper tells me these are similar players and Quinnen can rise his sack totals just like Leonard.

They hired a free, energetic young coach with no head coaching experience. We hired a coach with no head coaching experience. You can say Schotty isn't Mike Macdonald, but you can do nothing except hire a new coach and hope his upside is greater than his resume up to that point.

They drafted a receiver that would become the best receiver in the NFL. We drafted one close, and traded for another. We have even more good receivers than they do. Their Tight End also had about the same numbers as ours last year.

Their offensive line was built slowly thru the draft. As was ours. I do not know of anyone on their O-Line except Charles Cross. Their running backs might be superior, but we averaged 4.6 yards per carry last year, they averaged 4.1 yards per carry.

Their Quarterback is cheaper... but at this point that slight difference doesn't even matter.

We drafted the best defensive back in the draft. It's not a crazy thought to think he can be essentially what Devon Witherspoon was to the Seahawks last year. In year 1. I know Downs and Witherspoon don't play the exact same position, but if you ask me, I think safety play is even more important than CB play because safetys eliminate big plays while most cornerbacks are assigned to take out one player. Safety has different assignments depending on the play.

We added some pieces just like they did. We got players like Dee Winters, Cobie Durant, and Jalen Thompson. They did the same thing and got some good players.... but 0 splash players. We added 0 splash players. You're telling me the addition of 3 or 4 good players on their defense elevated them to Super Bowl winners? If that's the case, isn't that what we've just done with one more draft day left to go?

The only great big difference between them and us is their General Management. Everything else held equal, or at least not by a difference big enough to matter..... their general management is not gonna screw up a great opportunity. We've done this repeatedly.

But can anyone really say that we're doing very different things? They have a great defense but you're telling me that adding DeMarcus Lawrence made them elite? Laughable. We've done the same things to get to where we wanna go..... but you just have to be smart enough to not waste a good enough team. Seahawks didn't.
It wasn’t until they brought in Darnold.
Darnold doesn’t have the regular season stats your boy Dak has but he sure showed up through the playoffs. Something Dak has continually failed to do. Sure Seahawks run game was there in the SB but Darnold beat the 49ers twice and the Rams twice. End of the season and playoffs. That’s not easy to do! And yes Darnold had help but he played great.
 
We are definitely seeing our defense get transformed in an instant. I agree.
Exactly depth steady role players people who are aggressive that likes to hit and tackle they're not gonna give you 14 sacks but if you look at the group and the depth as team defense it's looking really good I mean it looks like Parker is getting his guys that could run this defense that are gonna know their assignments do their jobs and then you'll have like the front 7 working together like a dance And it should look better as a group..

What happened last year was because of injuries constant changeover mixing it with so many raw and green players at a position that it looks like everybody's playing poorly and really it was just a group messing everything up for everyone else it was just really bad.. A bunch of dancers with two left feet the Olympic breakdancer that was really horrible that's what our defense looked like and now I think he's putting it together to where it's deep they're gonna be three guys that can wear the green dot could be a safety a linebacker It could be one of the outside linebackers they're gonna he's gonna make sure people are gonna be properly put in place.

One saying this is going to be the Seattle defense this year but if it's built similar we could get ourselves into middle of the pack D, That would be a big improvement it's called a big step I don't think you're going to ever fix something that was so bad over the last two years and one offseason but they're on the right track...
 
It wasn’t until they brought in Darnold.
Darnold doesn’t have the regular season stats your boy Dak has but he sure showed up through the playoffs. Something Dak has continually failed to do. Sure Seahawks run game was there in the SB but Darnold beat the 49ers twice and the Rams twice. End of the season and playoffs. That’s not easy to do! And yes Darnold had help but he played great.
lol this guy

Seahawks were destroying the 49ers no matter who's QB. Ever heard of a team being so good they could put someone like Nick Foles in and destroy an inferior opponent? Nick Foles did that in 2017. Darnold..... 13 points in one game, and 124 yards in another. Dak has never had a team that good that he can just sit back and watch the rest of his team dominate a team like that, twice.

The Rams Darnold was really good, but one of those games also had a flukey 2 point conversion attempt.... one of the craziest rule interpretations I've ever seen. That put them in position to get that one seed. Altho it was likely gonna be an NFC Championship rematch with the same 2 teams, only was gonna take place in LA.
 
if we are going to build it like Seattle, let me know when we build the RB room!
 
if we are going to build it like Seattle, let me know when we build the RB room!
It's hilarious first of all they even keep Walker who is there what super Bowl MVP their backup is hurt probably not gonna start to eat healthy and because they drafted a running back that somehow better than ours? If you don't think Williams is a good back he's every bit as good as Walker was I know Walker a great back but they even think they keep him did they We kept ours and it's more important than what the offensive line this scheme the big calling is And that is what getting better it was pretty damn good last year..

We were a top 10 running group if not higher I believe William was top five so I'm not sure where you're going with this I think that Phil and Blue and Davis want bigger roles.. That's not a problem last year the problem was on defense we could hang with the saddle offense all day long and twice on Sunday from the offense he had last year I guarantee it was ranked higher than Seattle..

Better flex would have been when we get even close to the same defense we'll have a shot..

Defense was Achilles heel 'cause don't even go special teams you guys had a great kicker so do we be over utilize our kicker just like you did Literally the deepest and special teams were almost equal..

So let's get back to defense you're right Seattle absolutely There isn't even a comparison at all between the Cowboys and Seattle on defense and your head coach is design and master that came from Ravens so yeah the Cowboys have catch up to do there.
 
lol this guy

Seahawks were destroying the 49ers no matter who's QB. Ever heard of a team being so good they could put someone like Nick Foles in and destroy an inferior opponent? Nick Foles did that in 2017. Darnold..... 13 points in one game, and 124 yards in another. Dak has never had a team that good that he can just sit back and watch the rest of his team dominate a team like that, twice.

The Rams Darnold was really good, but one of those games also had a flukey 2 point conversion attempt.... one of the craziest rule interpretations I've ever seen. That put them in position to get that one seed. Altho it was likely gonna be an NFC Championship rematch with the same 2 teams, only was gonna take place in LA.
Right anybody who thinks our offense wasn't as good or better then Seattle hasn't been paying attention special teams pretty equal as well the defense is what carried that team.. Head coach designed the defense called defense and they built that defense to be championship low and Sam Darnold had nothing to do with it How they Kept geno Smith still won the Super Bowl..

It's like they don't watch football dallas had historically the first defense ever built in the history of the NFL and that's why we were losing games because our offense can keep up screen over 40 every game over 30 most games I mean it wasn't just that either just giving time a possession by the other offenses playing deep away I mean it was terrible but people look at it in such a weird day you need to flex correctly the Seattle defense of the best defenses ever assembled they were getting close to each and a boom level doomed a level and that's how you win in the playoffs you don't put pressure on offense and if anybody wants the Super Bowl they weren't very good three quarter on offense they stayed in it and stayed in it their defense kept opening and kept opening and then yes it did just enough same with England..
 
This reads like a cry for help.
He’s basically saying the team-building philosophy was all about depth, not loading up on superstars. The defense worked as a collective unit, without one big-name pass rusher making $40+ million a year with 15-25sacks.

They rotated players, and anyone could wear the green dot, so if someone got injured or needed rest, the next guy could step in without much drop-off. In short, Seattle’s approach didn’t rely on stars, and now it seems the Cowboys are aiming for something similar with Christian Parker’s new defense. They’re not expecting to be a top three defense right away, but if they can climb from the bottom to the middle, that’s progress.
 
I mean, if poster BlindFaith says this year's dee is better than the 2012 Ravens dee...
Well, minus Ray Lewis that is.
And that Downs is "already" Ed Reed, then I guess the Cowboys could also be compared to the Super Bowl winning Seahawks.

I mean...
Right?
 
Too bad our current QB chokes in the playoffs.
.....and Sam Darnold couldn't cut it for the Jets, Panthers, 49ers, and Vikings before winning it all in Seattle.

It takes a team effort to make playoff runs. A year ago if I said Darnold would have a ring I would have been laughed off this forum.
 
.....and Sam Darnold couldn't cut it for the Jets, Panthers, 49ers, and Vikings before winning it all in Seattle.

It takes a team effort to make playoff runs. A year ago if I said Darnold would have a ring I would have been laughed off this forum.
Not being able to get it done ........ and falling apart every first half in the playoffs is not the same thing.
 
I mean, if poster BlindFaith says this year's dee is better than the 2012 Ravens dee...
Well, minus Ray Lewis that is.
And that Downs is "already" Ed Reed, then I guess the Cowboys could also be compared to the Super Bowl winning Seahawks.

I mean...
Right?
Reading posts here at CZ the guy has been lifted up onto a very lofty pedestal - and hasn't played a single down in the NFL.

But that's just how the Zone rolls.
 
It wasn’t until they brought in Darnold.
Darnold doesn’t have the regular season stats your boy Dak has but he sure showed up through the playoffs. Something Dak has continually failed to do. Sure Seahawks run game was there in the SB but Darnold beat the 49ers twice and the Rams twice. End of the season and playoffs. That’s not easy to do! And yes Darnold had help but he played great.
he had like 300 combined yards and 1 td in both games vs the 9ers lol
 
If the Seahawks could win a Super Bowl, I don't see why we can't. They're not doing too much different things than we are.

They went and got a good a decent free agent signing..... DeMarcus Lawrence, but it wasn't a splash move by any means. Not seeing much of a difference between their acquisition of Lawrence compared to our acquisition of Gary. Gary has 46.5 sacks on 106 games played..... which is .4386 sacks per game. Lawrence has 67.5 sacks on 157 games played which is .4299 sacks per game. They look about the same player to me. Gary has obviously been wasted a bit on an underperforming franchise, just like Lawrence the same on an underperforming franchise.

Seahawks have Leonard Williams..... but despite being in the league for 10 years made his first All-Pro appearance last year at age 31, and it was a 2nd team appearance. Not sure I see too much of a difference between him and Quinnen Williams except their sacks totals are about similar, and Quinnen was first year All-Pro at a much earlier age...... in 2022. Sure, Quinnen's sack totals have gone down since 2022.... but Leonard's sacks total went down since 2020 and picked back up in the last 2 years. So paper tells me these are similar players and Quinnen can rise his sack totals just like Leonard.

They hired a free, energetic young coach with no head coaching experience. We hired a coach with no head coaching experience. You can say Schotty isn't Mike Macdonald, but you can do nothing except hire a new coach and hope his upside is greater than his resume up to that point.

They drafted a receiver that would become the best receiver in the NFL. We drafted one close, and traded for another. We have even more good receivers than they do. Their Tight End also had about the same numbers as ours last year.

Their offensive line was built slowly thru the draft. As was ours. I do not know of anyone on their O-Line except Charles Cross. Their running backs might be superior, but we averaged 4.6 yards per carry last year, they averaged 4.1 yards per carry.

Their Quarterback is cheaper... but at this point that slight difference doesn't even matter.

We drafted the best defensive back in the draft. It's not a crazy thought to think he can be essentially what Devon Witherspoon was to the Seahawks last year. In year 1. I know Downs and Witherspoon don't play the exact same position, but if you ask me, I think safety play is even more important than CB play because safetys eliminate big plays while most cornerbacks are assigned to take out one player. Safety has different assignments depending on the play.

We added some pieces just like they did. We got players like Dee Winters, Cobie Durant, and Jalen Thompson. They did the same thing and got some good players.... but 0 splash players. We added 0 splash players. You're telling me the addition of 3 or 4 good players on their defense elevated them to Super Bowl winners? If that's the case, isn't that what we've just done with one more draft day left to go?

The only great big difference between them and us is their General Management. Everything else held equal, or at least not by a difference big enough to matter..... their general management is not gonna screw up a great opportunity. We've done this repeatedly.

But can anyone really say that we're doing very different things? They have a great defense but you're telling me that adding DeMarcus Lawrence made them elite? Laughable. We've done the same things to get to where we wanna go..... but you just have to be smart enough to not waste a good enough team. Seahawks didn't.
only those fools that still think the Jones boys know how to build a Championship team ask this question
 
Reading posts here at CZ the guy has been lifted up onto a very lofty pedestal - and hasn't played a single down in the NFL.

But that's just how the Zone rolls.
I know right?
And the Defensive Coordinator is the same and hasn't coached 1 single down as a Defensive Coordinator.

That Dallas hype train just keeps on running...
 

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