Attention Jerry and Stephen: THIS is what All in really means

[Diehardblues]

Agreed. It's been a looooong time since there's been legit excitement before a season.

Fans around here were pretty excited during 12 win seasons .

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Fans around here were pretty excited during 12 win seasons .

Yeah not me unfortunately. Those teams were paper tigers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What is your solution??

Well I’ll be honest…they are on the right path. Fire the GM for starters….follow what Eagles and Ravens do.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah not me unfortunately. Those teams were paper tigers.

You are right but did you think that at the time? Felt like we won in spite of Jerry and Mike. So I get that.

 

[MarcusRock]

I would too but like I said I think highly enough of McVay that I’m not entirely sure if trading all those picks for Stafford was why they won. They made a SB with Goff. Stafford gets all the credit when they also had Von Miller, Ramsay and Donald. If they don’t draft Donald they may not win. I get why Rams do it. That’s the only team that should do it. Thinking if Cowboys did this they’d have more success is silly to me.

We're not one massive trade away, it's true. But our lack of foresight doesn't get us in position to where a massive trade makes us a bonafide contender for the Super Bowl. We could still luck into position as a result of our last ditch Parsons trade but will Jerry have the stones to pull off one of these Rams trades when his feelings haven't been hurt first? That's what fans question.

 

[Pentagruel]

The LA rams have once again thumbed their nose at the draft and the old school ways that NFL executives traditionally have chosen to build the key elements of their team.

The aggressive and highly successful rams GM Les Snead has become the supreme river boat gambler of NFL executives by making a huge “all in” move to acquire two time Defensive player of the year and 5 time first team All Pro Myles Garrett from Cleveland. In exchange the rams gave up their talented young LB Jared Verse, a 2027 first-rounder, and a conditional 2029 3rd round pick.

Attention JJ and SJ: THIS is what you call “All in”.

What is admirable about this move is not just that Les Snead and the rams made this move. It was WHEN and WHY they did it.

• By making the move in the spring, both the rams and the browns have those players in place for all remaining OTAs, mini-camps, training camp, etc. (Unlike a week before the season…if you know what I mean)
• The rams have shown they are willing to take a big risk WHEN THEY ARE CLOSE TO WINNING IT ALL. Last year the rams were really close to making the SB, losing to the eventual champs, the Seahawks 31-27 in the NFC championship. It was clear they needed a better pass rush. And they got it.
• Now the rams have to be considered the NFC favorite going into 2026. They are (on paper) what appears to be a much better football team.

In short, the rams GM saw last year that if they didn’t “go for it” and make a big move, they would likely not be better in 2026.

And for everyone saying the rams are “mortgaging their future” by doing this - they have already done this in 2021, and have a Lombardi to show for it. No guarantees this trade will translate to a SB win, but it is a lot more likely now than it was last year.

When the Cowboys say they are not willing to take risks like this with draft capital to “go for it”, then they might as well say, “We’re just hoping we’re going to catch lightening in a bottle”. Les Snead is saying, “Hold my beer while we GRAB that bottle”.

Low risk, low reward.

And here’s the rams playoff record under Les Snead since he took over in 2017:

• 10-6, 2 NFC championships in 3 appearnces, and 1 Lombardi.
• Cowboys in that same period: 2-4 with a ton more draft picks and “financial responsibility”.

Who’s ALL IN?

I think overall it’s a risk worth taking for them but it is a risk. Despite the perception that the Rams don’t care about draft picks, they draft extremely well and it’s the only reason they are in a position to make an all in move like this. They addressed their biggest issue from last year, the secondary, and now have made a move to bolster an already very strong pass rush from last year. There is a lot of diminishing returns on getting Garrett since they were already a good pass rushing team and they traded Verse but they were so close last year that I think it’s worth it to maximize their chances the next few years.

 

[pitt33]

No NFL team ever “lasts” at the top these days anyway. When have the Cowboys been at the top the last three decades?

I contend it’s better to have 4-5 years of playoff glory followed by 3 years of being down than to have what we have - mediocrity. Not great but usually not terrible.

Besides…The “lean” years are when you rebuild. The Cowboys perceived “relevance” the last 30 years has translated into making the playoffs 40% of the time, and then doing nothing when they do make it.

Agreed Bob.

Someone who makes sense of it all.

The worst thing a professional team can be is average..or around the rim.

 

[Diehardblues]

Agreed Bob.

Someone who makes sense of it all.

The worst thing a professional team can be is average..or around the rim.

 

[pitt33]

That toilet needs some tidy bowl after that mess

 

[stiletto]

Well I’ll be honest…they are on the right path. Fire the GM for starters….follow what Eagles and Ravens do.

 

[stiletto]

He’s been like that since the late 70s. Even when they sucked for so long.

They don't suck anymore. So better prep. LOL

 

[jaythecowboy]

The Cowboys in my opinion don't even operate in a way that makes sense with their supposed strategy of building through the draft. The Quinnen Williams trade completely goes against that. And making such a trade in the midst of a down year makes it even worse. All the Cowboys did is give themselves a worse draft pick. They did the same thing with Amari Cooper. The Cowboys are ok just being relevant. It would make much more sense to bottom out when the team is doing poorly and get better draft capital. A top 5 draft pick is basically worth 2 or 3 late 1sts. The Quinnen trade gave the Cowboys worse draft capital in this past draft and they will be without their best 1st in the upcoming draft class. Not to mention we'll have to worry about his contract pretty soon as well.

 

[plasticman]

I have to say, I am still torn on this subject.

True, the Rams won the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

The Rams had just acquired Stafford. That is also true.

When the season ended they were divisional champions of the NFC West with a 12-5 record, tied with the Cowboys for the 3rd seed..

Two other teams from the NFC West made the playoffs, the Cardinals at 11-6 and the 49ers at 10-7.

The 49ers beat the Rams twice and the Cardinals beat them once during the regular season. The Cardinals beat the 49ers twice.

The Rams ended up at the top during a highly contested season for the division crown. It was determined by the outcome of their final game, against the 49ers. They won.....by 3 points.

The Rams then proceeded to defeat their first three playoff opponents....all by 3 points.

I wouldn't say that the Rams dominated the season. They did everything they had to do and that put them in the mix. That's not where they were before the season according to most analysts.

I would say very few looked at the trade and instantly declared them favorites. There were the Chiefs and Bucs, the previous winners of the last two Super Bowls.

My point is, considering the playing field, i cannot discount the element of luck. There is nothing wrong with luck, i am heavily in favor of it.

However, if that postseason was repeated ten times, how many times would the Rams have come out on top?

Consider that their previous four games before the Super Bowl were all determined by pretty much one play.

Snead is indeed a river boat gambler. People excuse the larger odds that he would lose because, well, he won.....that time.

Will the Rams win the Super Bowl this year? Are they favored with the greatest odds? I really don't know.

What have the Rams accomplished since winning that Super Bowl? They are 40-31through the past four seasons. That is the equivalent to an average 9.5-7.5 season. Their playoff record is 3-3.

With average results and no 1st round picks, the Rams were forced to, once again, reduce their short-term future for a gamble. They not only traded a 1st round pick, they gave up an emerging star.

Will Snead be lucky again?

I agree that this trade will bring them closer but what about the next season and the season after that?

Is this really the template for success in the NFL?

I do realize that the Cowboys management is light years away from discovering a true formula for success in the NFL. I am with everyone else who is impatient for some resemblance of success. The Cowboys need to win a Super Bowl.

However, is this the "Cowboys way"?

In the past, Cowboys success has always been the result of skilled management, excellent coaching and a winning environment.

It has never been about putting everything into one season and hoping to buck the odds. It has always been about building something that is consistently competitive long term.

Consistency, that was always the key.

Besides,

If Snead is that successful river boat gambler then Jerry Jones is his personified antonym. As the song goes, if it weren't for bad luck, Jerry would have no luck at all.

If any team was worse equipped for going "all in", it must be an NFL secret.

I'm really not convinced either way. I still wonder how many teams go "all in" in the same season and how many don't win.

However, in the end, whatever the Cowboys are doing, it's not working.

 

[Ranching]

The LA rams have once again thumbed their nose at the draft and the old school ways that NFL executives traditionally have chosen to build the key elements of their team.

The aggressive and highly successful rams GM Les Snead has become the supreme river boat gambler of NFL executives by making a huge “all in” move to acquire two time Defensive player of the year and 5 time first team All Pro Myles Garrett from Cleveland. In exchange the rams gave up their talented young LB Jared Verse, a 2027 first-rounder, and a conditional 2029 3rd round pick.

Attention JJ and SJ: THIS is what you call “All in”.

What is admirable about this move is not just that Les Snead and the rams made this move. It was WHEN and WHY they did it.

• By making the move in the spring, both the rams and the browns have those players in place for all remaining OTAs, mini-camps, training camp, etc. (Unlike a week before the season…if you know what I mean)
• The rams have shown they are willing to take a big risk WHEN THEY ARE CLOSE TO WINNING IT ALL. Last year the rams were really close to making the SB, losing to the eventual champs, the Seahawks 31-27 in the NFC championship. It was clear they needed a better pass rush. And they got it.
• Now the rams have to be considered the NFC favorite going into 2026. They are (on paper) what appears to be a much better football team.

In short, the rams GM saw last year that if they didn’t “go for it” and make a big move, they would likely not be better in 2026.

And for everyone saying the rams are “mortgaging their future” by doing this - they have already done this in 2021, and have a Lombardi to show for it. No guarantees this trade will translate to a SB win, but it is a lot more likely now than it was last year.

When the Cowboys say they are not willing to take risks like this with draft capital to “go for it”, then they might as well say, “We’re just hoping we’re going to catch lightening in a bottle”. Les Snead is saying, “Hold my beer while we GRAB that bottle”.

Low risk, low reward.

And here’s the rams playoff record under Les Snead since he took over in 2017:

• 10-6, 2 NFC championships in 3 appearnces, and 1 Lombardi.
• Cowboys in that same period: 2-4 with a ton more draft picks and “financial responsibility”.

Who’s ALL IN?

All in, had a totally different meaning between the ages of 13 and 23......that would have been 1979 to 1990

 

[Ranching]

I have to say, I am still torn on this subject.

True, the Rams won the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

The Rams had just acquired Stafford. That is also true.

When the season ended they were divisional champions of the NFC West with a 12-5 record, tied with the Cowboys for the 3rd seed..

Two other teams from the NFC West made the playoffs, the Cardinals at 11-6 and the 49ers at 10-7.

The 49ers beat the Rams twice and the Cardinals beat them once during the regular season. The Cardinals beat the 49ers twice.

The Rams ended up at the top during a highly contested season for the division crown. It was determined by the outcome of their final game, against the 49ers. They won.....by 3 points.

The Rams then proceeded to defeat their first three playoff opponents....all by 3 points.

I wouldn't say that the Rams dominated the season. They did everything they had to do and that put them in the mix. That's not where they were before the season according to most analysts.

I would say very few looked at the trade and instantly declared them favorites. There were the Chiefs and Bucs, the previous winners of the last two Super Bowls.

My point is, considering the playing field, i cannot discount the element of luck. There is nothing wrong with luck, i am heavily in favor of it.

However, if that postseason was repeated ten times, how many times would the Rams have come out on top?

Consider that their previous four games before the Super Bowl were all determined by pretty much one play.

Snead is indeed a river boat gambler. People excuse the larger odds that he would lose because, well, he won.....that time.

Will the Rams win the Super Bowl this year? Are they favored with the greatest odds? I really don't know.

What have the Rams accomplished since winning that Super Bowl? They are 40-31through the past four seasons. That is the equivalent to an average 9.5-7.5 season. Their playoff record is 3-3.

With average results and no 1st round picks, the Rams were forced to, once again, reduce their short-term future for a gamble. They not only traded a 1st round pick, they gave up an emerging star.

Will Snead be lucky again?

I agree that this trade will bring them closer but what about the next season and the season after that?

Is this really the template for success in the NFL?

I do realize that the Cowboys management is light years away from discovering a true formula for success in the NFL. I am with everyone else who is impatient for some resemblance of success. The Cowboys need to win a Super Bowl.

However, is this the "Cowboys way"?

In the past, Cowboys success has always been the result of skilled management, excellent coaching and a winning environment.

It has never been about putting everything into one season and hoping to buck the odds. It has always been about building something that is consistently competitive long term.

Consistency, that was always the key.

Besides,

If Snead is that successful river boat gambler then Jerry Jones is his personified antonym. As the song goes, if it weren't for bad luck, Jerry would have no luck at all.

If any team was worse equipped for going "all in", it must be an NFL secret.

I'm really not convinced either way. I still wonder how many teams go "all in" in the same season and how many don't win.

However, in the end, whatever the Cowboys are doing, it's not working.

Unlike many, you look at this with a level head and not with an agenda.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah not me unfortunately. Those teams were paper tigers.

Same. Even 2023 when our D was 5th, we were 16th vs the run.

 

[Bobhaze]

I have to say, I am still torn on this subject.

True, the Rams won the Super Bowl after the 2021 season.

The Rams had just acquired Stafford. That is also true.

When the season ended they were divisional champions of the NFC West with a 12-5 record, tied with the Cowboys for the 3rd seed..

Two other teams from the NFC West made the playoffs, the Cardinals at 11-6 and the 49ers at 10-7.

The 49ers beat the Rams twice and the Cardinals beat them once during the regular season. The Cardinals beat the 49ers twice.

The Rams ended up at the top during a highly contested season for the division crown. It was determined by the outcome of their final game, against the 49ers. They won.....by 3 points.

The Rams then proceeded to defeat their first three playoff opponents....all by 3 points.

I wouldn't say that the Rams dominated the season. They did everything they had to do and that put them in the mix. That's not where they were before the season according to most analysts.

I would say very few looked at the trade and instantly declared them favorites. There were the Chiefs and Bucs, the previous winners of the last two Super Bowls.

My point is, considering the playing field, i cannot discount the element of luck. There is nothing wrong with luck, i am heavily in favor of it.

However, if that postseason was repeated ten times, how many times would the Rams have come out on top?

Consider that their previous four games before the Super Bowl were all determined by pretty much one play.

Snead is indeed a river boat gambler. People excuse the larger odds that he would lose because, well, he won.....that time.

Will the Rams win the Super Bowl this year? Are they favored with the greatest odds? I really don't know.

What have the Rams accomplished since winning that Super Bowl? They are 40-31through the past four seasons. That is the equivalent to an average 9.5-7.5 season. Their playoff record is 3-3.

With average results and no 1st round picks, the Rams were forced to, once again, reduce their short-term future for a gamble. They not only traded a 1st round pick, they gave up an emerging star.

Will Snead be lucky again?

I agree that this trade will bring them closer but what about the next season and the season after that?

Is this really the template for success in the NFL?

I do realize that the Cowboys management is light years away from discovering a true formula for success in the NFL. I am with everyone else who is impatient for some resemblance of success. The Cowboys need to win a Super Bowl.

However, is this the "Cowboys way"?

In the past, Cowboys success has always been the result of skilled management, excellent coaching and a winning environment.

It has never been about putting everything into one season and hoping to buck the odds. It has always been about building something that is consistently competitive long term.

Consistency, that was always the key.

Besides,

If Snead is that successful river boat gambler then Jerry Jones is his personified antonym. As the song goes, if it weren't for bad luck, Jerry would have no luck at all.

If any team was worse equipped for going "all in", it must be an NFL secret.

I'm really not convinced either way. I still wonder how many teams go "all in" in the same season and how many don't win.

However, in the end, whatever the Cowboys are doing, it's not working.

Nice, well thought out post.

What I’m thinking when I talk of being “all in”, I’m not saying everything has to be done like the rams.

But I am saying to any GM, if you perceive your team is pretty close to competing for a championship, then NOW is the time to make bold moves (plural)

Not “patiently” focusing on building through the draft alone, but getting aggressive in every area that can be utilized. If you perceive your team is close, these questions should be asked:

• Do we have the right HC? If not fire him and get the right one. (Not just waiting until his contract is up because you’re cheap)
• Are we willing to spend money on a great HC? In a league where there is no cap on spending on coaches, go get the best HC you can.
• What do we lack? Try every possible avenue to go get that. Coaches, players, whatever.
• Do we hang onto our drafted players too long instead of recognizing we haven’t accomplished much with that player and move on?
• Are we trying to truly win a championship or just sell tickets and make money? Winning accomplishes both.

This list could go on and on. There is not “one way” to be all in. But…What frustrates me most about the Jones is I cannot believe that they do everything in their power to win a championship.

If they just showed us that they would make some true, risky, meaningful and dedicated “all in” moves that matter, I could tolerate this endless mediocrity a lot better.

 

[kskboys]

Nice, well thought out post.

What I’m thinking when I talk of being “all in”, I’m not saying everything has to be done like the rams.

But I am saying to any GM, if you perceive your team is pretty close to competing for a championship, then NOW is the time to make bold moves (plural)

Not “patiently” focusing on building through the draft alone, but getting aggressive in every area that can be utilized. If you perceive your team is close, these questions should be asked:

• Do we have the right HC? If not fire him and get the right one. (Not just waiting until his contract is up because you’re cheap)
• Are we willing to spend money on a great HC? In a league where there is no cap on spending on coaches, go get the best HC you can.
• What do we lack? Try every possible avenue to go get that. Coaches, players, whatever.
• Do we hang onto our drafted players too long instead of recognizing we haven’t accomplished much with that player and move on?
• Are we trying to truly win a championship or just sell tickets and make money? Winning accomplishes both.

This list could go on and on. There is not “one way” to be all in. But…What frustrates me most about the Jones is I cannot believe that they do everything in their power to win a championship.

If they just showed us that they would make some true, risky, meaningful and dedicated “all in” moves that matter, I could tolerate this endless mediocrity a lot better.

I can't think of the time we were one player away from super bowl contention. 2007 maybe?

W/ Jerry as GM, there are always too many areas of weakness on a team. It's no wonder our D was that bad last season, Jerry systematically let all our decent players walk.

 

[gtb1943]

I can't think of the time we were one player away from super bowl contention. 2007 maybe?

W/ Jerry as GM, there are always too many areas of weakness on a team. It's no wonder our D was that bad last season, Jerry systematically let all our decent players walk.

2007 arguably we were a TOP HC away from Super Bowl contention

 

[gtb1943]

The Squealers are the epitome of being in the conversation but hardly ever getting there. Under both Tomlin and Cowher they were there but in like 30 years they got to the big dance I believe 4 times.

Which of course is FOUR TIME SMORE THAN WE DID

But then Cowher and Tomlin were better then all that we had but BP

Between mediocre coaches and the Jones Boys, we never really had a chance and the few times we might have, the HC was not up to the task.

The Ravens have been consistent contenders pretty much for about as long; but only have 2 appearances with 2 rings

And then of course we have the one off of BB and Tom Brady together


THAT all said, I am much more in favor of the way the Rams and Eagles and Seahawks are doing things in todays NFL

I honestly thing you will in the end do better going for short bursts of going for the ring rather then a decade or two of being close and hoping it all comes together.