News: Marshawn Kneeland Had Stage 1 CTE

DarkVader33 said:
Players salaries aren’t going up purely because they want more. They share close to 50% of the profit the league makes. The league makes more money, so do the players.
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No, the star player salaries are increasing at a much faster rate.
 
erod said:
No, the star player salaries are increasing at a much faster rate.
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What part of my comment was wrong? You said PLAYERS not STAR players. The star players will always command more and they'll be paid first. But the piece of the pie will remain ~50% until they change it through the collective bargaining agreement.
 
This is so heartbreaking.we have to acknowledge that the sport we love is dangerous to the athletes, they need regular checkups and hopefully players will retire if they show symptoms of CTE.
 
I haven’t read through all nine pages of this thread but is there a plan for the newborn child financially as well as child’s mother?

It’s heartbreaking this whole thing happened. I feel terrible the underlying issue was brain trauma.

Just pray for the child and the family.
 
Hawkeye0202 said:
I don't have time to get into it right now but this ticks me off. This should. motivate the league to establish a program that evaluates every player once a year.



Moderator Edit: Clicking the tweet will take the reader to Mike Florio's article.
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Just terrible. Were the numbers always so bad and we just didn't hear about it? Love the game and hate to see players leave the game early, but I don't blame them at all.
 
1. Still a very sad story. Especially with his child being born recently
2. I have to wonder how many people who even played contact sports at an early age, say 10-18 years old, may have level 1 CTE.
Developing brain+hard hits relative to size, have to wonder if CTE can be formed even if your bell wasn't rung but just repeated impacts.
3.Sounded like Kneeland had some mental health issues dating back some time. Was CTE a factor in anyway for his rash actions? Good question.
4. I don't think this hurts the sport, yet. Sure, some middle class families could tell their kids not to play, but there's football factories all around florida where to escape those less than ideal situations sports is your best path to at least college.
Belle Glade, Pahokee, some parts of Ft. Lauderdale, Fort Pierce, etc...
5. The money to be possibly made as well can be generational. I think most will think they won't get it as bad, and if they could make 10-30mil+ in a handful of years it's worth the risk.
 
Havic said:
Its my understanding CTE cannot be diagnosed until the invidual has passed away. 24 years old with Stage 1 CTE, pretty much all these guys have it then imo and im not talking just about football.
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Todays processes (MRT) are not good enough to show the structural changes caused by CRT in the brain.

To diagnose it you need to cut the brain into thin slices and look at it under a microscope.

Football players arent the brightest but they know to have cut their brain into slices wouldnt be good for their next contract negotiation. Well maybe they do not know but at least their agent would tell them i guess.
 
Flamma said:
How many with stage 1 CTE or worse don't do this? Are we checking everyone? How much do we know? Is it 1 in 10, 1 in 1000, do we even know?
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It is unknown because unless asked to or the person donates their body to science when they die or other reasons to do a brain autopsy, brain autopsies are just not a thing when a person dies "unsuspiciously".
 
I'm starting to wonder if this is more than just about football Any contact sport that jars the brain even if you're not getting hit in the head I mean how about boxing MMA all the pugilistic sports or whatever they call them I mean wrestling you get slammed to the ground there has to be reports of CTE in all these other sports.

Did Muhammad Ali have some kind of what they at the time called Parkinson's or something? I'm curious if that was just a bad form of undiagnosed CTE.

Yes, it is sad and the guy didn't even really play in the pros, so he got this high school and college? How many reported concussions did he have I don't have time to read the whole threat at the time but I'm just curious particularly with Marshawn did he have a history of concussions or is this just something that happens again from a lot of banging around?

I know this even in the sports that I do like snowboarding, I've taken a few hard falls on ice or hard packed snow but I don't snowboard as much because I live in Texas so I only go once a year, but particularly Wakeboarding, IM riding around on top of the water at 22-24 miles an hour and with inertia With your board strapped to your feet and nowadays you don't come out so when you catch an edge or a bad fall it's it's like somebody was holding you down by your feet while a Ray Lewis hit you LOL, there's a lot of falls I've taken over the last 20 plus years that feel like car accidents when people say you got whiplash, I mean I don't have any history of major concussions, I've never went to the doctor over concussions, but I've been knocked silly more than a few times got back up and kept riding.

And yes I played high school football but not at a high level but I took more hits playing pickup games all the way from high school into my mid 20s and literally we don't wear protection devices and I can promise you there were some dudes We're a little woozy at times from hits..

Guess my point is how this can just be related to football, it has to be beyond that I guarantee there's a lot of other sports that have collisions that have regular concussions. I mean think about some of the high-speed bike racers how many times have they went over the handlebars or took a hard fall, I know I know I have friends who have broken their collarbones and other things and even wearing a helmet I'm sure there's concussions in that sport as well.
 
blueblood70 said:
I'm starting to wonder if this is more than just about football Any contact sport that jars the brain even if you're not getting hit in the head I mean how about boxing MMA all the pugilistic sports or whatever they call them I mean wrestling you get slammed to the ground there has to be reports of CTE in all these other sports.

Did Muhammad Ali have some kind of what they at the time called Parkinson's or something? I'm curious if that was just a bad form of undiagnosed CTE.

Yes, it is sad and the guy didn't even really play in the pros, so he got this high school and college? How many reported concussions did he have I don't have time to read the whole threat at the time but I'm just curious particularly with Marshawn did he have a history of concussions or is this just something that happens again from a lot of banging around?

I know this even in the sports that I do like snowboarding, I've taken a few hard falls on ice or hard packed snow but I don't snowboard as much because I live in Texas so I only go once a year, but particularly Wakeboarding, IM riding around on top of the water at 22-24 miles an hour and with inertia With your board strapped to your feet and nowadays you don't come out so when you catch an edge or a bad fall it's it's like somebody was holding you down by your feet while a Ray Lewis hit you LOL, there's a lot of falls I've taken over the last 20 plus years that feel like car accidents when people say you got whiplash, I mean I don't have any history of major concussions, I've never went to the doctor over concussions, but I've been knocked silly more than a few times got back up and kept riding.

And yes I played high school football but not at a high level but I took more hits playing pickup games all the way from high school into my mid 20s and literally we don't wear protection devices and I can promise you there were some dudes We're a little woozy at times from hits..

Guess my point is how this can just be related to football, it has to be beyond that I guarantee there's a lot of other sports that have collisions that have regular concussions. I mean think about some of the high-speed bike racers how many times have they went over the handlebars or took a hard fall, I know I know I have friends who have broken their collarbones and other things and even wearing a helmet I'm sure there's concussions in that sport as well.
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What you describe is the issue, yes NFL, NHL, and other contact sports have more occurrences of "head trauma" but with as little that is known about CTE it is impossible to say for sure if you have a higher chance at CTE vs a keyboard warrior vs career football player. I see things batted around continuous trauma. Define trauma, if i hit my head everyday on the headboard of my bed is that continuous trauma? IF I have 3-4 really big hits to the head a year is that enough or am I pretty much safe. Or what if I have "a soft" head and get 3-4 concussions a year. As with all things medical there will never really be a solid incontrovertible scale since everyone's body and overall health and genetics are different. Now I think they could get better data points but it will cost money and a lot of dead people to get that information. Once a solid pattern and common areas to look and you have a living reference to compare a dead reference will they be able to piece together markers that show alive and dead with current imaging technology.
 
jrumann59 said:
What you describe is the issue, yes NFL, NHL, and other contact sports have more occurrences of "head trauma" but with as little that is known about CTE it is impossible to say for sure if you have a higher chance at CTE vs a keyboard warrior vs career football player. I see things batted around continuous trauma. Define trauma, if i hit my head everyday on the headboard of my bed is that continuous trauma? IF I have 3-4 really big hits to the head a year is that enough or am I pretty much safe. Or what if I have "a soft" head and get 3-4 concussions a year. As with all things medical there will never really be a solid incontrovertible scale since everyone's body and overall health and genetics are different. Now I think they could get better data points but it will cost money and a lot of dead people to get that information. Once a solid pattern and common areas to look and you have a living reference to compare a dead reference will they be able to piece together markers that show alive and dead with current imaging technology.
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I don’t think you needed to bring up “keyboard warrior.” If all you do is work on a computer at home, you’re probably safe. I’m talking about extreme sports and other activities beyond the 45 professional sports where concussions are common. I was referencing real experience, if you want to call us weekend warriors, fine, but there are plenty of sports with hard falls, which is why helmets are a must.

Whether it’s motocross, professional bike riding, flipping on bikes or skateboards, or even wakeboarding behind a boat at 75 feet going close to 23 miles an hour, the inertia alone makes crashes brutal enough to make you quit, unless you’re a weekend warrior or just really into these kinds of sports.

I’m wondering if it’s more about direct head impacts or the jostling around, like if someone traveled the world each year visiting every amusement park and riding the most extreme roller coasters with all those sudden starts, stops, and violent movements. I’m curious whether it’s just concussions that cause it or if there’s something deeper going on. Kind of like shaken baby syndrome—though I know it’s different, where severe shaking can be fatal.

It makes me think CTE could come from more than just playing football and getting concussions, maybe from any collisions or rapid deceleration where the brain gets shaken inside the skull.

I'm just saying I'm 56 years old and been playing some kind of sports most of my life, yes at my age I'm still doing flips and taking hard falls Whether you want to try to validate what I do or not I'd like you to come try other LOL

But I'm not sure I feel any effects of any abnormal feelings of depression or with each other whatever the side effects you get that might be telling signs I don't feel like that at my age I have it but you never know.
 
DarkVader33 said:
Did you actually read the article? It cannot be determined what percentage of players have CTE. Most of the brain donations are from people suspected of having it.
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Are you purposely obtuse? Look at what I responded to.

You can make a reasonable assumption that if 90% of brains tested have CTE, then 51% of them have it.
 
LouBrown said:
Are you purposely obtuse? Look at what I responded to.

You can make a reasonable assumption that if 90% of brains tested have CTE, then 51% of them have it.
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No you can’t. You can’t aassume anything from that study. It is even stated it the article, science is assumption trying to get to facts. I’m not trying to minimize CTE but there is very little that we know about it even today.
 
DarkVader33 said:
You can’t only make the NFL responsible. If it’s widely known and you choose to play anyways, you bear much of the responsibility.
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BSContinues….when did I even IMPLY “only the NFL is responsible”? I said…they have a responsibility…which by your lazy language it seems you agree with. So…what was your actual point? A contest of wits?

Stay in your league, lane and level.
 
OGSixshooter said:
BSContinues….when did I even IMPLY “only the NFL is responsible”? I said…they have a responsibility…which by your lazy language it seems you agree with. So…what was your actual point? A contest of wits?

Stay in your league, lane and level.
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Wrong poster genius…..you’re confused on who you are even replying to talking about stay in your lane….ha!
 
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