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Exactly the point I made. And I'd be pissed because the impaired person had way more time to decide not to do what they did, knowing it was wrong, but did it anyway. But you needed those hamburger buns! Right.
Sorry dude I didn’t see your original post or point - but I think we’re saying the same thing
 
The problem with alcohol is it impairs judgment. People say it reveals who you really are, but that’s not entirely true. What it does is it biologically takes away your inhibitions and your moral restraint, so anything whether conscious or subconscious is more easily let go, meaning in the case of the latter, things you might even find repulsive when in your senses that have been banished to the depths of the cells of your mind, can be released as if they are something you actually sanction. That’s why people are often recommended to have someone to be a designated driver because all of this wouldn’t and shouldn’t apply to him.
 
Yeah of course, I guess it’s more so for the surviving loved ones…:I would be devastated anyway to lose a loved one to an accident, but there would be so much more anger if it was due to a drunk or impaired situation
I'd still like to know the difference between say....on cell phone, and say .10 BAC.

They are BOTH completely careless, completely unnecessary, and completely dead.

The stigma on drinking and driving is well deserved. The excuses for careless/distracted driving is not deserved.

It is a massive responsibility that both ignore.
 
The problem with alcohol is it impairs judgment. People say it reveals who you really are, but that’s not entirely true. What it does is it biologically takes away your inhibitions and your moral restraint, so anything whether conscious or subconscious is more easily let go, meaning in the case of the latter, things you might even find repulsive when in your senses that have been banished to the depths of the cells of your mind, can be released as if they are something you actually sanction. That’s why people are often recommended to have someone to be a designated driver because all of this wouldn’t and shouldn’t apply to him.
WHo said it was alcohol?
 
The problem with alcohol is it impairs judgment. People say it reveals who you really are, but that’s not entirely true. What it does is it biologically takes away your inhibitions and your moral restraint, so anything whether conscious or subconscious is more easily let go, meaning in the case of the latter, things you might even find repulsive when in your senses that have been banished to the depths of the cells of your mind, can be released as if they are something you actually sanction. That’s why people are often recommended to have someone to be a designated driver because all of this wouldn’t and shouldn’t apply to him.
So are you saying there are people drunk-posting here? You might be right! Lol.
 
Seriously though, it's one of the most selfish things you can do. Once you've decided to drink, you should figure out a plan to get to your next destination with someone else driving. All it takes is a split second of poor driving to end up killing or hurting yourself, someone else, or both.
I can never understand this. It baffles me. I drink like a fish. The second I have more than one, driving is not an option. Get what you need beforehand. It's not hard. I know I drink more than most people, and this isn't hard for me. I'm not dealing with a DWI, DUI, or OWI. That would be a nightmare for me. No reason for it.
 
I'd still like to know the difference between say....on cell phone, and say .10 BAC.

They are BOTH completely careless, completely unnecessary, and completely dead.

The stigma on drinking and driving is well deserved. The excuses for careless/distracted driving is not deserved.

It is a massive responsibility that both ignore.
i dont know that there is a lot to debate on it honestly, both suck and i don't know that trying to quantify one as worse than the other does much.

I dont have the stats to prove it but id wager on any given day there are countless more people that drive carelessly on a cellphone than drive under a substance impairment - i would also wager there are more accidents caused by distracted driving but more fatalies caused by impaired driving.

I think another interesting wrinkle is the question on how ride share fits in - you would order a ride share for being drunk and not wanting to drive, but would you ever order a ride share bc you had to take a phone call?

i dont think any of this really answers and makes any points, just interesting is all
 
i dont know that there is a lot to debate on it honestly, both suck and i don't know that trying to quantify one as worse than the other does much.

I dont have the stats to prove it but id wager on any given day there are countless more people that drive carelessly on a cellphone than drive under a substance impairment - i would also wager there are more accidents caused by distracted driving but more fatalies caused by impaired driving.

I think another interesting wrinkle is the question on how ride share fits in - you would order a ride share for being drunk and not wanting to drive, but would you ever order a ride share bc you had to take a phone call?

i dont think any of this really answers and makes any points, just interesting is all
I appreciate your input. That's what I was saying...when you're left with the aftermath...it doesn't matter. Careless or dangerous driving...could still be prevented. The solution to the problem is leave the phone alone. Concentrate on your death machine until you're done.

A little deep dive into the stats would certainly be interesting. Why does it seem the drunk drivers always hurt someone else and rarely themselves?

Some time ago...I had the idea to do a study and a book....on what happens to people's brains when they operate a motor vehicle. Even good smart people can lose their minds about it. It was suggested to me that an invincibiltiy factor might occur. The daily reminders...at least around these parts....say otherwise. Too many people just don't take it seriously.

My friend MarcusRock helped make the point...30% of fatalities occur by "impaired" drivers....leaving 70% by completely sober drivers? That's crazy.

The 30% is down from over 40% in the late 90's. Let's hope the trend continues.
 
My friend MarcusRock helped make the point...30% of fatalities occur by "impaired" drivers....leaving 70% by completely sober drivers? That's crazy.

The 30% is down from over 40% in the late 90's. Let's hope the trend continues.
No, what I showed was that when you account for drug impairment beyond just alcohol (which is in the ~30% range), the number could be higher than 55%. Lack of standardization probably wouldn't have numbers that high right now but at the same time, driving while drugged is on the increase but drug testing is lagging behind. So those numbers could be possible but just not measured.
 
No, what I showed was that when you account for drug impairment beyond just alcohol (which is in the ~30% range), the number could be higher than 55%. Lack of standardization probably wouldn't have numbers that high right now but at the same time, driving while drugged is on the increase but drug testing is lagging behind. So those numbers could be possible but just not measured.
Well why did you challenge my 50% from the verty beginning? You could have asked me if I meant alcohol or impaired and I could have clarified it for you.

And really does it matter THAT much? Just quibbling over the same thing.
 
Well why did you challenge my 50% from the verty beginning? You could have asked me if I meant alcohol or impaired and I could have clarified it for you.

And really does it matter THAT much? Just quibbling over the same thing.
Because you responded to my post saying "impaired" to someone else. I didn't specify just alcohol at first.
 

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