Trey Wingo podcast: Did Dallas win the Micah a Parsons trade?

[Robbieac]

Quinnen is arguably the best defensive lineman in the al NFL.

I like Quinnen, but this take is completely insane.

QW hasn’t sniffed an All-Pro team in FOUR YEARS, but you want people to think he is the best defensive lineman in the NFL?

 

[Vtwin]

I would have traded a 1st, 2nd and Mazi to the Jets for Quinnen and kept Parsons, but I'm strange that way. I actually like having a top DT and a top DE on the same team.

That would mean no Clark and possibly no Downs if the 1st was this years. I see Williams/Clark/Downs as better overall than Parsons/Williams/??? Stronger up the middle where we need to be.

 

[gimmesix]

Don’t forget about the 2 - 4th round picks they got from Philly when they traded down and still got Lawrence.
Not sure what picks. But 2 of the 3 4th round picks.
Shelton, Overton, Moore.

Yeah, I forgot to include them when I corrected erod's post.

Dallas — Kenny Clark, Quinnen Williams, Malachi Lawrence, Devin Moore and LT Overton

Green Bay/Jets — Micah Parsons, Mazi Smith, D'Angelo Pounds*, Cade Klubnik** and best of our two 2027 first-round picks

(The Jets traded down with our second-round pick for a second and fourth and took Pounds, then traded up in the fourth with the pick they had received to select Klubnik.)

Since we get the lower of the two firsts next year, that also affects the quality of our compensation. Say we finish 25th in the draft order and Green Bay 12th or vice versa, the Jets get the higher pick and that can be quite a difference.

 

[gimmesix]

That would mean no Clark and possibly no Downs if the 1st was this years. I see Williams/Clark/Downs as better overall than Parsons/Williams/??? Stronger up the middle where we need to be.

Why no Downs? We used our first-rounder on Downs. You saying we would have finished with a better record?

I'd rather have Parsons than Clark. You can find a NT easier than an elite pass rusher.

 

[DallasInDC]

Last year is pretty much irrelevant. They traded him for a futures-based package because they didn’t want to pay him.

Therefore, success for Dallas will be judged based on what they do with those futures along with how well they utilize the cap “savings” from not signing him to a mega-deal.

Success for GB will be judged based on his performance relative to his contract, as well as the opportunity-cost as measured by the guys they are unable to retain as a result.

And the potential players they could have had if they kept their picks.

 

[erod]

I like Quinnen, but this take is completely insane.

QW hasn’t sniffed an All-Pro team in FOUR YEARS, but you want people to think he is the best defensive lineman in the NFL?

Ok, defensive tackles, and he was with the Jets for gawds sake. Watch.

 

[SlammedZero]

It was the right move.

Would trade again.

This is how I feel, too. Whether we “won” the trade can definitely be debated, but I do think it was the correct trade to make.

 

[Vtwin]

Why no Downs? We used our first-rounder on Downs. You saying we would have finished with a better record?

I'd rather have Parsons than Clark. You can find a NT easier than an elite pass rusher.

If this year's 1st was traded for Williams we wouldn't have gotten Downs. If we used next year's first you have to factor in that we'd have no 1st next year. Parsons may be a better DE than Clark a DT but man, we've been watching this team get steamrolled up the middle with an elite DE.

It is definitely debatable, but I see the immediate upgrade in the middle of the defense with two proven guys, one being a potential all pro, while keeping a pick in the 1st, as the better option. If the Downs pick had been part of the Williams trade then it gets much less debatable.

Then there are the intangibles. Does Parson regain his form and stay healthy? Does MLaw prove to be a player? Does that extra pick next year net a top notch DE?

There is risk on both sides but the trade provided immediate benefit, potential future benefit and better options. I see it as a shorter path to a legit contender than paying Parsons, giving up your only 1st round pick and relying on lower draft pics and FA to get there.

 

[Rockport]

Because so far it’s netted them just a 7 win season.

 

[cowboyec]

yes.
and its not like green bay has been stacking super bowl trophies either.

 

[Diehardblues]

Still to be determined. Ultimately the results moving forward will decide.

So far for Cowboys we probably gave up one playoff season .

And for Packers with late season injury couldn’t win a game without him.

 

[irishline]

You got Quinnen with one of the picks we got for Micah. I'm glad his circus is gone anyway.

Right now you don't know that. And it was 2 picks. The 2nd from this year is ours. We do not know if the 1st next year will be ours or the one we got from GB.

 

[Diehardblues]

yes.
and its not like green bay has been stacking super bowl trophies either.

No, but we’re looking like a more serious contender with him. Couldn’t win a game without him.

 

[Whyjerry]

Much better off without Micah.

 

[gimmesix]

If this year's 1st was traded for Williams we wouldn't have gotten Downs. If we used next year's first you have to factor in that we'd have no 1st next year. Parsons may be a better DE than Clark a DT but man, we've been watching this team get steamrolled up the middle with an elite DE.

I would assume it would have been the same as what we traded, this year's second and next year's first. Yes, it would have cost us next year's first, but I'd rather have Quinnen and Micah than next year's first. We would have still needed to find a NT, but a NT Clark's quality is easier to find than an elite end. Who knows, we might could have even traded a lower-round pick for Clark without the Micah trade.

This front office makes us have to pick. If we want an elite end, then we can only have cheap DTs. If we want an elite DT, then we can only have cheap ends. It's not supposed to be that way.

 

[vlad]

You got Quinnen with one of the picks we got for Micah. I'm glad his circus is gone anyway.

I understand that, but we had other picks prior we could have used, now this is all on a wild assumption they would have signed him like a year prior for like 30-35. I dont think paying him what he got was a great idea...Myles Garrett, sure...but thats about it at that level imho.

 

[gimmesix]

There is risk on both sides but the trade provided immediate benefit, potential future benefit and better options. I see it as a shorter path to a legit contender than paying Parsons, giving up your only 1st round pick and relying on lower draft pics and FA to get there.

I believe an elite DT is more valuable than an elite DE, so I'm happy with Quinnen instead of Micah. I'm just saying that it didn't have to be either-or. Our front office has cultured that mindset.

 

[Diehardblues]

We shouldn’t let our emotions drive our evaluations and opinions. We traded arguably our best player , perennial all pro considered a generational talent for the unknown at the time .

Looks like we are cashing in on the trade but the fact we can recover punctuates the value there was for a talent of his caliber .

Generally everyone I trust like former coaches and players say you never trade a talent as such especially in their youth if all possible.

Very rare a player of his caliber is traded before second contract. 1st time in Cowboys history.

 

[Diehardblues]

I believe an elite DT is more valuable than an elite DE, so I'm happy with Quinnen instead of Micah. I'm just saying that it didn't have to be either-or. Our front office has cultured that mindset.

And we actually could have had both .

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

We won that trade from day one.