Signed by Cowboys Cowboys & Von Miller have agreed to terms - 1-year, $5.5M deal

[LouBrown]

I didn’t forget. I also didn’t forget that 3 of Clowney’s sacks came in a meaningless game.

Miller was consistently productive throughout the entire season. Clowney padded his sack numbers with 3 in a meaningless game at the end of the season.

And Miller’s numbers have always been good against the run. Record-setting in fact.

Define meaningless.

Washington's games were all meaningless after October. Miller had 4 sacks in the last 5 games playing for nothing.

 

[Stash]

I'm guessing some people just have to be the dissenting voice.

Just do a tiny bit of research before you make such totally inaccurate claims.

 

[zrinkill]

Pretty Good deal ....... if he hits double digit sacks it will be a steal.

 

[Stash]

Define meaningless.

Washington's games were all meaningless after October. Miller had 4 sacks in the last 5 games playing for nothing.

One game.

One meaningless game.

Clowney’s sack numbers look good because of 3 sacks in one meaningless game.

 

[LouBrown]

One game.

One meaningless game.

Clowney’s sack numbers look good because of 3 sacks in one meaningless game.

...define meaningless

What's the difference if sack totals come in one meaningless game or a handful of them?

Your point is basically that half of Clowney's sacks came in meaningless games. You can say the same thing about Miller.

 

[Jarntt]

I didn’t forget. I also didn’t forget that 3 of Clowney’s sacks came in a meaningless game.

Miller was consistently productive throughout the entire season. Clowney padded his sack numbers with 3 in a meaningless game at the end of the season.

And Miller’s numbers have always been good against the run. Record-setting in fact.

No, you are using one stat and using it incorrectly because of the difference in snaps. Clowney was much better last year. Clowney had 40 pressures to Miller's 36 in 47 less snaps and was much better against the run last year. Why are you bringing up career against the run? The discussion was just last year. You are completely overblowing the 3 sack game as if that's all that matters and also acting as if it was a bad thing for some reason. Clowney consistently rushed the passer last year which as a Cowboy fan you should know. He also had two sacks in what at the time was our biggest game and win of the year against KC

Forced Fumbles: Clowney 1; Miller 0
Fumble recoveries: Clowney 2; Miller 0
Tackles: Clowney 41; Miller 26
TFL: Clowney 12; Miller 6
Passes Defensed (remember we are moving to a 3-4 which makes this more important): Clowney 4; Miller 0

There is no world in which Miller outplayed Clowney last year. Come on now

 

[erod]

Clowney is literally every team's backup backup plan.

 

[Stash]

...define meaningless

What's the difference if sack totals come in one meaningless game or a handful of them?

Your point is basically that half of Clowney's sacks came in meaningless games. You can say the same thing about Miller.

No.

My point is that Clowney got to decent sack numbers because of one game.

While Miller had consistent production throughout.

 

[Jarntt]

Uh, my point was that Miller's deal is fine because a bunch of crappy players got paid more.

I know. I was saying that isn't a way to say a deal is fine. It's no better than saying it isn't fine because some got paid less

Forget it. It's not that important and I don't even disagree with you, just the premise

 

[Stash]

No, you are using one stat and using it incorrectly because of the difference in snaps. Clowney was much better last year. Clowney had 40 pressures to Miller's 36 in 47 less snaps and was much better against the run last year. Why are you bringing up career against the run? The discussion was just last year.

Because some posters are trying to claim that Miller isn’t good against the run, which is patently false.

You are completely overblowing the 3 sack game as if that's all that matters and also acting as if it was a bad thing for some reason.

It undeniably skews his overall numbers.

Clowney consistently rushed the passer last year which as a Cowboy fan you should know. He also had two sacks in what at the time was our biggest game and win of the year against KC

Forced Fumbles: Clowney 1; Miller 0
Fumble recoveries: Clowney 2; Miller 0
Tackles: Clowney 41; Miller 26
TFL: Clowney 12; Miller 6
Passes Defensed (remember we are moving to a 3-4 which makes this more important): Clowney 4; Miller 0

There is no world in which Miller outplayed Clowney last year. Come on now

Where are the total sacks?

Accidentally omitted or intentionally missing?

 

[LouBrown]

No.

My point is that Clowney got to decent sack numbers because of one game.

While Miller had consistent production throughout.

Fine. But that's different than saying Clowney's are meaningless but Miller's aren't.

 

[Stash]

Fine. But that's different than saying Clowney's are meaningless but Miller's aren't.

The game was meaningless. I didn’t call the sacks themselves meaningless.

I put more value in consistent production throughout an entire season vs 3 sacks in one game.

 

[Jarntt]

Because some posters are trying to claim that Miller isn’t good against the run, which is patently false.

The discussion is last year only

It undeniably skews his overall numbers.

for one stat and having a 3 sack game is great. You act like its a bad thing for some bizarre reason

Where are the total sacks?

Accidentally omitted or intentionally missing?

Why would I list that when it is the stat discussed over and over in this thread and that you have repeated ad nauseum. You are ignoring everything to point to one stat and you aren't even using it accurately.
Here you go: 9 sacks in 420 snaps and a higher % of passing down snaps to 8.5 sacks in 373 snaps
Miller 1 sack ever 47 snaps
Clowney 1 sack every 44 snaps

You are cherry picking to try and win an argument. There is just no way Miller was a better football player last year over an entire season. Football is 3 downs and even opn 3rd down Clowney was better when taken on a number of snaps basis. But you aren't going to admit that. You are going to just going to keep saying that Clowney had a great game in the game after we were eliminated as if that washes away 12 other games by him. This is the type of arguing I don't understand on here. Especially when in theory as a Cowboy fan you watched Clowney play last year

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Love what the Cowboys are doing here. Von Miller and Rashan Gary are here to bring along the future in Donovan Ezeiruaku and Malachi Lawrence. Add in James Houston and that's a potential super rotation of pass rushers.

 

[mmohican29]

Everyone saying 8 sacks is the expectation?

Take the over. Way over.

He's gonna ball out: he will like the eyes of the football world on him for his career swan song, and wants to be here. He's still a force and won't accept failure.

This is gonna be great

 

[Stash]

The discussion is last year only

Who made you thread monitor?

for one stat and having a 3 sack game is great. You act like its a bad thing for some bizarre reason

It shows that his sack numbers are overly reliant on that one game. If he had 5.5 sacks on the season, nobody is crowing about it.

Why would I list that when it is the stat discussed over and over in this thread and that you have repeated ad nauseum.

Likely because it destroys your argument.

You are ignoring everything to point to one stat and you aren't even using it accurately.
Here you go: 9 sacks in 420 snaps and a higher % of passing down snaps to 8.5 sacks in 373 snaps
Miller 1 sack ever 47 snaps
Clowney 1 sack every 44 snap.
You are cherry picking to try and win an argument.

I am? Seriously, pot meet kettle.

There is just no way Miller was a better football player last year over an entire season. Football is 3 downs and even opn 3rd down Clowney was better when taken on a number of snaps basis. But you aren't going to admit that. You are going to just going to keep saying that Clowney had a great game in the game after we were eliminated as if that washes away 12 other games by him. This is the type of arguing I don't understand on here. Especially when in theory as a Cowboy fan you watched Clowney play last year

I’m not dismissing Clowney. I’m just putting his sack numbers in perspective.

 

[Stash]

Everyone saying 8 sacks is the expectation?

Take the over. Way over.

He's gonna ball out: he will like the eyes of the football world on him for his career swan song, and wants to be here. He's still a force and won't accept failure.

This is gonna be great

I’m not going to put a definite number on his sacks, but I am optimistic that Christian Parker and this staff are going to know how to use the current version of Von Miller to the best of his abilities.

 

[gimmesix]

A bit more than I expected.

Actually, it looks like he came down and we went up. We were paying outside free agents (other than Thompson) a maximum of $4 million plus incentives. Miller got $6.1 million from the Commanders last year and usually prices go up, not down, especially coming off a 9-sack year.

 

[gimmesix]

Ideally. I think they’d love to do that.

But I wonder if Miller might play more frequently while Malachi Lawrence continues to develop and learn the NFL game.

I think because we have Gary and Eze as run-down players that we will try to limit Miller to passing situations (second-and-long, third-and-medium, third-and-long).

I do think he will allow us to bring Lawrence along more slowly.

 

[Stash]

Actually, it looks like he came down and we went up. We were paying outside free agents (other than Thompson) a maximum of $4 million plus incentives.

I don’t think you can make a blanket statement about “outside free agents”. Certainly not when it comes to a Hall of Fame player.

Miller got $6.1 million from the Commanders last year and usually prices go up, not down, especially coming off a 9-sack year.

Prices usually go down for older players. But the 9 sacks certainly helped.