Did the Refs Rob the Commanders of a Gutsy Road Win?

[MarcusRock]

Can you admit that there is a significant degree of subjectivity involved in interpreting this replay?

First, I would argue that a clearly attempted lunge is equal to a lunge as it still shows the ability and wherewithal to attempt it and the failure to complete it has nothing to do with possessing the ball. Somewhat like murder vs attempted murder.

Second, I would say that there is clear evidence that Dez did in fact execute a lunge. He took a couple steps and clearly managed to get some pushoff, indicated by the clod of dirt kicked up in the air (i.e physics) and his body clearly gained a bit of forward momentum, (more physics).

I have no interest in arguing with you over lunge vs no lunge or catch vs no catch. Can you at least admit that there is at least a reasonably reasonable argument to be made that there was a lunge, a football move and a catch?

The point you make is the same one Howie Long made on the post-game show in asking Pereira about a lunge or a reporter to Steratore in the ref pool after the game. Don't know about "significant" but there is clearly subjectivity, same as a hold or PI. But something is either a proper lunge or it isn't. I'm crystal clear sure it was Dez' intention to lunge. He just didn't execute. And that's why everyone who commented said "they're not going to count that" in so many words, including Pereira during the broadcast before the overturn.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

No. Even if they were robbed, you can't let one play before the half dictate the outcome. They had adequate time to mount a comeback, but Dak and the Dallas offense tore them to shreds.

 

[Amarth]

Settle down Kmart.....I don't care about those calls...thread was did it cost Washington the game, others started crying about the call. Who cares??? We won, it's a done deal. You pissed off???? You're scary when you talk so tough....

What’s scary is that you claim to be an adult and may have actually had some sort of influence (probably negative) over naive kids. On the other hand, by the way you “act” and “talk” I think it may have been the other way around, I don’t know which is worse.

Why don’t you post some more pictures of yourself as your avatar and tell us how great you were as a HIGH SCHOOL football coach. Depending on what you believe, there are at least 8 types of narcissism and you fit the definition of all 8, I’ll give you credit for that, very impressive!

 

[nathanlt]

It was 100% a catch, taken away by the referees. It gives ammo to Washington fans, so that they can say the officiating was clearly unfair. They are right that call also affects the playcalling from that point forward. Don’t be mistaken the referees will be under pressure to confiscate a Dallas Cowboys touchdown at some point down the road. And that will probably be in the playoffs.

 

[Runwildboys]

Don’t think so
But if we are gonna play that game how about all the holds on Washington before the half that weren’t called or the phantom hold they called on Pickens in the forth ?

Refs make bad calls on both sides
Didn’t know the knee rule , thought he had to get two inbounds and control which he didn’t have
They reviewed it and call stood

Are you referring to when Pickens was grasping the shoulder pad of someone who might have tackled the RB going by? If so, yeah, that was a legit hold.

 

[gimmesix]

The official who signaled it as a catch isn't going to indicate that to anyone except the crew chief Steratore before the review. It's Steratore that speaks on behalf of the crew. Here's the angle taken from right behind the ref that people use to claim the ball never hit the ground. If you see this, it totally looks like Dez' hand kept the ball off the ground and he just pinned it to his shoulder pad before the ball rode up even more. However, the reverse angle clearly shows it did touch. I mean, right? And when GTTG is applied, switching hands (or more accurately here, deciding to take one hand off) is irrelevant. The ONLY thing that gets you out of going to the ground is a lunge (because that shows you aren't just falling, you're actually under control). Not an attempted lunge where your foot slips like here, but an actual one.

There is no reason to discuss the play with you any longer as you've made your view of it perfectly clear. The official knows the rule and he is right there to see the ball come out and rule it incomplete if he had seen it that way. He did not do so. The officiating crew should have stuck with the call on the field because there has to be irrefutable evidence that he did not make a football move (the rule at that time). I believe he clearly lunged for the goal line, which is a football move. The official obviously believed he lunged for the goal line because he did not rule it incomplete immediately.

 

[Ranching]

What’s scary is that you claim to be an adult and may have actually had some sort of influence (probably negative) over naive kids. On the other hand, by the way you “act” and “talk” I think it may have been the other way around, I don’t know which is worse.

Why don’t you post some more pictures of yourself as your avatar and tell us how great you were as a HIGH SCHOOL football coach. Depending on what you believe, there are at least 8 types of narcissism and you fit the definition of all 8, I’ll give you credit for that, very impressive!

That's right...I don't hide behind an avatar. You don't like it put me on ignore. Apparently you don't have a life if you're worried about mine.

 

[Ranching]

What’s scary is that you claim to be an adult and may have actually had some sort of influence (probably negative) over naive kids. On the other hand, by the way you “act” and “talk” I think it may have been the other way around, I don’t know which is worse.

Why don’t you post some more pictures of yourself as your avatar and tell us how great you were as a HIGH SCHOOL football coach. Depending on what you believe, there are at least 8 types of narcissism and you fit the definition of all 8, I’ll give you credit for that, very impressive!

You call me and my career out and you expect me roll over? Typical of your type....get a life of your own and be proud of it. A dweeb calls you a narcissist now and then, screw.them

 

[MarcusRock]

There is no reason to discuss the play with you any longer as you've made your view of it perfectly clear. The official knows the rule and he is right there to see the ball come out and rule it incomplete if he had seen it that way. He did not do so. The officiating crew should have stuck with the call on the field because there has to be irrefutable evidence that he did not make a football move (the rule at that time). I believe he clearly lunged for the goal line, which is a football move. The official obviously believed he lunged for the goal line because he did not rule it incomplete immediately.

Or he believed that Dez kept the ball off the ground, which would have made it a catch even with GTTG applied. Looks like he kept it off the ground from that angle. Same angle the ref had, which is the most logical explanation for his initial call. Reverse angles though ....

 

[TwoDeep3]

I know what a catch is. After explaining it to you all over the years, you know what a catch is. Apparently, this ref crew (and replay crew) don’t know what a catch is. Was the fix in here? This play changed the whole complexion of the game. Dak, who was looking pretty shaky, seemed to settle in once he knew the game was in the bag (wink, wink). I mean, congrats to him on the All-Time Cowboys TD record but will he be able to sleep tonight knowing how he got it? Probably. He has a Sleep Number bed afterall.

Here’s the video. Look at the assuredness of the Commanders fan here, only to be disappointed moments later and watch his innocence go down the drain along with the Commanders' chances. I’m sure he doesn’t believe in anything anymore after this highway robbery.

With what your video shows, I can see how you might think what you think. But continue the video and you will see he does not maintain control to the ground. And the ground dislodges the ball. No fault of yours, Brady got it wrong too.

 

[Amarth]

That's right...I don't hide behind an avatar. You don't like it put me on ignore. Apparently you don't have a life if you're worried about mine.

Lol, however you want to justify it. I personally don’t feel the need to show everyone how big my hands are or how I look with a cowboy hat on or a whistle around my neck. That’s not hiding, that screams of “look at me” because you “retired” and don’t get the attention you once did but still need.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

No. Even if they were robbed, you can't let one play before the half dictate the outcome. They had adequate time to mount a comeback, but Dak and the Dallas offense tore them to shreds.

Soemtimes one play can be devastating. It can be hard to accept...given the number of plays and such but....

Remember when Murray fumbled on his way into the endzone? Packers scored to end the half then scored again to start the half.

Murray didn't by himself...give them those scores. Of course not. But...that was like a 20 point swing within just a handfull of plays.

MAybe some feel we couldn't stop Rodgers anyway..but still. If you don't see the pivot point there then maybe you don't understand life.

It CAN be subtle.

 

[Amarth]

You call me and my career out and you expect me roll over? Typical of your type....get a life of your own and be proud of it. A dweeb calls you a narcissist now and then, screw.them

I never said I expected you to rollover, you do you, I’m just calling how it how I see it and how it is. I don’t know you personally but I know enough about you to know your type. It’s not hard to decipher a personality like yours.

 

[aikemirv]

Loss of control doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a catch, and therein lies the problem with the rules. Too many shades of grey. League is over 100 years old. Should have this figured out by now.

It does if you are out of bounds with the ball moving. If he is in the field of play it is a catch but the moment ball moved out of bounds - incomplete!

 

[Ranching]

Lol, however you want to justify it. I personally don’t feel the need to show everyone how big my hands are or how I look with a cowboy hat on or a whistle around my neck. That’s not hiding, that screams of “look at me” because you “retired” and don’t get the attention you once did but still need.

I don't have to justify it, and you have no idea what I have done and continue to do to help my former.players and staff. So jealous fools like you make me laugh. Apparently, you took the time to see my past avatars and read some.of my posts, where I used my experience to make a point. I appreciate you taking the time. But, there is no need to be jealous or bothered by someone you don't know, unless you have some self esteem issues. It's OK to love yourself, even if no one else does. You'll be alright. You wanna throw stones at me, go ahead....I've had much better people than you do it. It doesn't bother me. Remember it's a different time, no one is gonna judge you. I hope you find peace

 

[Ranching]

Lol, however you want to justify it. I personally don’t feel the need to show everyone how big my hands are or how I look with a cowboy hat on or a whistle around my neck. That’s not hiding, that screams of “look at me” because you “retired” and don’t get the attention you once did but still need.

Actually I retired from coaching, still own a real estate investment company. Kinda slow right now, waiting to see what interest rates do and how the market adjusts. Always looking for a good flip, let me know if things slow down and you're looking for a fair, cash offer. Im my own inspector and banker. We can close in under a week. Depends on your mortgage company. Maybe I should use my business card as my avatar!!! Lol

 

[Ranching]

Lol, however you want to justify it. I personally don’t feel the need to show everyone how big my hands are or how I look with a cowboy hat on or a whistle around my neck. That’s not hiding, that screams of “look at me” because you “retired” and don’t get the attention you once did but still need.

And, yes, I miss the game, especially this time of year. An occasional camp and all star game is fun, but it's not nearly the same. 14 years as HC....damn right I miss it. Excuse me for talking about it. Some enjoy it others, like you find it offensive. Don't get it, but it is what it is.
At the end.of the day, you're right, this is a Cowboys forum.
So, Go Cowboys and screw that narcissist, Ranching!!!

 

[McKDaddy]

The subject of this thread is, did the commanders get robbed of a win....that's why, we won the game is relevant.

I believe the OP clarified that the title was misleading and his intent was whether the play was ruled correctly or an injustice to opponent. If I am correct, that is why the game outcome isn't relevant.

 

[MarcusRock]

It does if you are out of bounds with the ball moving. If he is in the field of play it is a catch but the moment ball moved out of bounds - incomplete!

You guys, man, lol. If he started the process of the catch inbounds on the sideline and spills into out of bounds, he has to complete the catch out of bounds. And, as posted, the ball can move so long as he's controlling it which he appeared to do.

 

[Ranching]

I believe the OP clarified that the title was misleading and his intent was whether the play was ruled correctly or an injustice to opponent. If I am correct, that is why the game outcome isn't relevant.

That's what I'm saying. It's irrelevant, whether right or wrong, we won the game. Many are saying they were robbed and we should have lost, that's who I responded too. I don't recall responding to one of your posts.
I usually don't read the OPs questions, just go by the title. That was the title when I responded.