No excuses for this offense!

[Cowboys5217]

The defense gave up 10 points in the last 5 minutes of the game. Let’s not pretend like they came through with some magical clutch performance.

The offense gave this team a chance to win…by putting up 31 points. The defense made it extremely difficult to win by allowing 34. It just gets spun because the defense is so bad we’ve lowered the bar.

It doesn't matter what happened in the game up to the 1st & goal at the 2. The facts are the highly paid QB and offense had the ball in an ideal situation to win the game, and failed to do so. That doesn't mean the defense is great, it just means that the offense shouldn't get a pass for failing when they are the strength and the money of the team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It doesn't matter what happened in the game up to the 1st & goal at the 2. The facts are the highly paid QB and offense had the ball in an ideal situation to win the game, and failed to do so. That doesn't mean the defense is great, it just means that the offense shouldn't get a pass for failing when they are the strength and the money of the team.

That's what "they" say. "The offense has to cover for the defense".

When the defense did hand them an opportunity (several...really), they failed.

And they still blame defense.

Defense didn't play perfect of course. But this vaunted top offense flubbed it. No two ways about it.

 

[thunderpimp91]

So I just watnt to make sure I know what I am seeing.

Did you agree the defense gave the offense a chance to win or didn't?

Vtwin said:
The defense ended Raven's possessions forcing a punt or turnover on downs 5 times.

The Ravens defense ended Cowboy's possessions forcing a punt or turnover on downs 3 times. They killed themselves on 2 other drives with a fumble and a blocked FG on a 59 yard attempt.

The Cowboys offense went 5-13 on 3rd down conversions.

Blaming the defense entirely on this loss is madness. I can't say terminal because it will never stop. lol

Prescott had five chances with the ball in his hands on two drives inside the ten yard line, and he didn't get it done. That was as big a reason for the loss as any of the other reasons for the loss.

I would disagree completely. The offense gave the offense a chance to win by keeping pace with Baltimore. Plus I wouldnt say the offense really failed….they still drove the field and forced a tie game with 7 seconds. Yea a TD is better but they kept us in a tie game.

You can find some things to tighten up with the offense but it’s still at least 90% a defensive failure that resulted in the loss.

 

[blueblood70]

Again take the names off the jerseys and ask yourself, if you offense is averaging 29 points a game in 3 games how many wins should the team have if the defense isn't a problem?

3-0 babay!!

 

[thunderpimp91]

So you are now down playing "clutch".....when it's an historic descriptor thoughtout all of sports.

You're downplaying it because Dak couldn't do it. If he HAD..you'd be saying "look how CLUTCH Dak is".

Don't lie.

You're also acting like people are saying you can just move points around the board and it all adds up the same anyway. That's not what people are saying.
They are saying that Dak can move the ball and score points at certain times and situations of the game. But does SEEM to have trouble in those moments ...those TIMES....when we need him the most.

TBH....that is just an opinion. I'm in the process of trying to find THE STATS of it...since that seems to be the end game for most people. Just stats...and specific ones at that. Not even sure it will matter if I do find it. All heels dug in HARD.

Completely false…I’ve downplayed clutch pretty consistently. You try to make me out to be a Dak apologist and it’s simply not true.

I hope you do find the stats you’re looking for. For the most part “clutch” stats tend to be in line with a players career norms. There are exceptions to every rule, but this is true for a heavy majority of players aside from super small sample size.

 

[ratkinson]

I think we put too much into clutch performance when really it’s a matter of this team just playing to their abilities.

The 4th quarter of the Baltimore game is a perfect example. The cowboys “failed in the clutch” but overall they had 3 offensive drives…1 punt, 1 FG, 1 TD. This is completely consistent with their overall performance for the year. They scored over 50% of the time, and score TDs around 35% of all drives. Defensively we had 4 drives and gave up 1 TD and 1 FG out of those 4…allowing scores on 50% of drives is also completely consistent with their overall performance.

We focus on the when, but really it’s been the law of averages playing out.

I'm talking about being better at Situational Football as it relates to winning games.

I don't really care about averages or probabilities as to why the Cowboys are who they are.

Being "clutch" in the Crucials (game deciding situations) separates the winners from the losers.

Again, im not strictly talking about individual performance, which is probably unsustainable. Team execution, discipline and other variables are just as important.

Like I stated in my post, until the team figures this out they will continue to disappoint.

 

[thunderpimp91]

It doesn't matter what happened in the game up to the 1st & goal at the 2. The facts are the highly paid QB and offense had the ball in an ideal situation to win the game, and failed to do so. That doesn't mean the defense is great, it just means that the offense shouldn't get a pass for failing when they are the strength and the money of the team.

So let’s flip the script here. If we were down 6-0 in this game, we finally punch it in for a TD to go up 6-7 with 7 seconds left this is an excellent game for Dak and the offense?….even though we lose 9-7 on the last second FG?

Sorry but give me the offense putting up 30+ points over the horrible game but clutch performance.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm talking about being better at Situational Football as it relates to winning games.

I don't really care about averages or probabilities as to why the Cowboys are who they are.

Being "clutch" in the Crucials (game deciding situations) separates the winners from the losers.

Again, im not strictly talking about individual performance, which is probably unsustainable. Team execution, discipline and other variables are just as important.

Like I stated in my post, until the team figures this out they will continue to disappoint.

And what I’m suggesting is that clutch is more myth than reality.

Here we are talking about the offense not being able to get the job done, yet Dak has a career 26 game winning drives, which is more than Mahomes. I know you’re talking more than just those types of moments but overall we don’t typically see a difference in a players overall numbers in entirety vs clutch moments.

Really the issue is that we are in too many “clutch” moments due to a high powered offense and horrific defense.

 

[ratkinson]

And what I’m suggesting is that clutch is more myth than reality.

Here we are talking about the offense not being able to get the job done, yet Dak has a career 26 game winning drives, which is more than Mahomes. I know you’re talking more than just those types of moments but overall we don’t typically see a difference in a players overall numbers in entirety vs clutch moments.

Really the issue is that we are in too many “clutch” moments due to a high powered offense and horrific defense.

Why did you feel the need to bring Prescott into this?

In your rush to protect him you totally disregarded my emphasis on team--not the individual.

Com on TP

 

[thunderpimp91]

Why did you feel the need to bring Prescott into this?

In your rush to protect him you totally disregarded my emphasis on team--not the individual.

Com on TP

I'm not here to defend Dak whatsoever, that was just an easy example of how we overrate being clutch.

Dak is considered to be the ultimate good QB who the cant get the job done when the lights are the brightest. The problem with that is that he has 26 game winning drives in his career. That puts him in the same range as Aaron Rodgers (38), Kirk Cousins (34), Joe Flacco (30), and Andy Dalton (29) Josh Allen (27), and Patrick Mahomes (25)....We see a wide variety of players on this list...some that have played 20+ seasons and had extra time to rack up numbers, some that are considered extremely average or even spend the bulk of their career as a backup. We also so guys that are considered elite.

If there is any data out there that suggests being clutch is a real thing in the NFL I'm yet to see it.....maybe with kickers that's true? maybe.

 

[Vtwin]

I'm not here to defend Dak whatsoever, that was just an easy example of how we overrate being clutch.

Dak is considered to be the ultimate good QB who the cant get the job done when the lights are the brightest. The problem with that is that he has 26 game winning drives in his career. That puts him in the same range as Aaron Rodgers (38), Kirk Cousins (34), Joe Flacco (30), and Andy Dalton (29) Josh Allen (27), and Patrick Mahomes (25)....We see a wide variety of players on this list...some that have played 20+ seasons and had extra time to rack up numbers, some that are considered extremely average or even spend the bulk of their career as a backup. We also so guys that are considered elite.

If there is any data out there that suggests being clutch is a real thing in the NFL I'm yet to see it.....maybe with kickers that's true? maybe.

I see "clutch" as more of an attitude than a result. The clutch attitude often but not always results in the tangible clutch play that can be quantified.

Clutch is the attitude that when the situation calls for it, I'm going to make something happen or go down swinging. It provides the chance to actually make something happen. Without the clutch attitude I'm going to just stick entirely with the program and play it safe when the program doesn't go as I expected. That limits the chance of making something happen.

That 26 gwd stat that has been thrown around a lot the last couple days isn't a representation of the clutch attitude as it includes situations that don't contain the do or die element that requires making something happen.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I see "clutch" as more of an attitude than a result. .

And this is the fundamental disagreeance that we will forever have. If we are grading an individual player results aren't everything. If we are grading an entire unit or team the result is really all I care about. The optics of attitude are fun, but it still comes back to talent and historical data. You'll constantly find players who are clutch one year and not so much the next. Clutch and luck are pretty much interchangable terms in sports.