Austin Police Officer Involved in Shooting

[CowboyMcCoy]

Man killed after struggle with APD officer
Happened near 34th Street and Shoal Creek
Updated: Friday, 26 Jul 2013, 8:48 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 26 Jul 2013, 4:33 PM CDT

AUSTIN (KXAN) - A man was shot and killed by an Austin Police Department detective after a foot chase and struggle underneath a Central Austin bridge Friday afternoon.

Police say around 4 p.m., a man tried to get into the Benchmark Bank at 1508 W. 35th Street but wasn't able to enter since the bank's doors were locked due to an ongoing robbery investigation that stemmed from earlier in the day.

The man tried to enter the locked bank twice before getting the attention of a bank manager inside who came outside to speak to the man.

"In speaking with the individual, he identified himself in a manner in which the bank manager recognized was not an accurate identification," said Assistant Chief Brian Manley. The bank manager went back inside and notified the detective of the suspicious activity.

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http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/austin-police-officer-involved-in-shooting-72613

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

UPDATE: At a press conference Monday afternoon,Austin Police Assistant Chief Brian Manleyacknowledged that the fatal shooting Friday of Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr. by an APD detective was more complicated than initially described, and that it involved not simply a “foot chase” but a search in a private car commandeered by the APD detective.

Manley said police are "confident" that Jackson – shot and killed by APD Detective Charles Kleinert on Friday afternoon – had come to the Benchmark Bank where the detective was investigating an earlier (unrelated) robbery to "commit a fraud" and was not there to conduct any legitimate business.

Jackson misidentified himself when he was questioned by the bank manager that afternoon outside the bank on West 35th Street. Jackson had previously tried to enter the bank, police said, but the door was locked because of the ongoing robbery investigation. Jackson briefly left, police say, then returned and tried again to enter the bank before he was confronted by the manager, who in turn told Kleinert, who was inside the bank conducting a follow-up investigation of the morning robbery, about the exchange. Kleinert went outside to talk with Jackson and after a two- or three-minute conversation – captured by surveillance cameras – Jackson fled, police say.

Although police say they've ruled out any connection between Jackson and the robber who struck the facility that morning (a robber who police believe is connected to at least three other bank robberies, including two in Austin and one in San Antonio), Manley told reporters at a Monday press briefing that they are nonetheless certain that Jackson was up to no good.

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http://www.austinchronicle.com/blog...r-witness-to-fatal-officer-involved-shooting/

 

[Zordon]

Wow I live a few blocks north from there in Hyde Park. Didn't even know about this.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wow I live a few blocks north from there in Hyde Park. Didn't even know about this.

This was last Thursday. It has been all over the news. What I can't believe is that the guy trying to walk in to the locked bank and was later shot, had nothing to do with the robbery and had obviously committed no crime.

This has been a circus show so far.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How is it not illegal to run from the police? Either way, if you run from a cop and put up a struggle against their orders, i don't really feel sorry for you.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

How is it not illegal to run from the police? Either way, if you run from a cop and put up a struggle against their orders, i don't really feel sorry for you.

It's not illegal to run from anyone if you haven't committed a crime. Larry Eugene Jackson had not committed any crime before he was shot to death. And a struggle... that's not exactly what happened if you look at the physical evidence. He was shot in the back of the neck. And the witness whose car he commandeered says he had really lost it. This was a detective. I'm told he didn't have a taser. But if that's the case, he should have called for the police who did. This detective really made several mistakes here, from the beginning to the tragic end.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It's not illegal to run from anyone if you haven't committed a crime. Larry Eugene Jackson had not committed any crime before he was shot to death. And a struggle... that's not exactly what happened if you look at the physical evidence. He was shot in the back of the neck. And the witness whose car he commandeered says he had really lost it. This was a detective. I'm told he didn't have a taser. But if that's the case, he should have called for the police who did. This detective really made several mistakes here, from the beginning to the tragic end.

He disobeyed a police officer.. that's enough reason for me. Like i said, don't have much sympathy for someone like that. Not only are you wasting the detective's time making him chase you when he could be doing other more important things to help the keep the taxpayers safe.. but you also are putting his life in danger. He doesn't know if you have a gun or what you're going to do, so if he tells you to stop and you run, you deserve whatever you get, imo.

Clearly, the guy wasn't there to make a friendly little transaction.

 

[TheCount]

He disobeyed a police officer.. that's enough reason for me.

Enough reason for what, getting killed?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Enough reason for what, getting killed?

If you end up getting shot because you decided to disobey a police officer and try to run away and escape when he told you to stop.. and he has to chase you across town, is it really that suprising that he ended up getting shot? How many times did he tell him to stop? Why was he trying to fight the detective when he caught up to him?

Please.. i wish he had shot him in the leg or somewhere that wouldn't have killed the guy.. but i don't have much sympathy for the guy.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If you end up getting shot because you decided to disobey a police officer and try to run away and escape when he told you to stop.. and he has to chase you across town, is it really that suprising that he ended up getting shot? How many times did he tell him to stop? Why was he trying to fight the detective when he caught up to him?

Please.. i wish he had shot him in the leg or somewhere that wouldn't have killed the guy.. but i don't have much sympathy for the guy.

The guy made a really, really stupid decision and it cost him his life.

It doesn't matter what they turn up and if the officer is found guilty or innocent. Nothing is going to fix being dead.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The guy made a really, really stupid decision and it cost him his life.

It doesn't matter what they turn up and if the officer is found guilty or innocent. Nothing is going to fix being dead.

Moral of the story.. don't run from the police.. especially if you have nothing to hide. (Which i guess, some are claiming this guy didn't.)

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Moral of the story.. don't run from the police.. especially if you have nothing to hide. (Which i guess, some are claiming this guy didn't.)

Moral of the story, change police policy so they can't shoot innocent people and later claim that he was trying to commit bank fraud--on a locked bank. That is their story at this point, but they are still "investigating", plotting their cover up.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Enough reason for what, getting killed?

The guy made a really, really stupid decision and it cost him his life.

It doesn't matter what they turn up and if the officer is found guilty or innocent. Nothing is going to fix being dead.

Research the story. This detective seems to have had a mental breakdown at the time of the event. Shot in the back of the neck? The main issue, to me is, the system by which they'll face punishment is a lot different for them than for the rest of us. No charges are typically filed in these cases because of the thin blue line phenomena.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

He disobeyed a police officer.. that's enough reason for me. Like i said, don't have much sympathy for someone like that. Not only are you wasting the detective's time making him chase you when he could be doing other more important things to help the keep the taxpayers safe.. but you also are putting his life in danger. He doesn't know if you have a gun or what you're going to do, so if he tells you to stop and you run, you deserve whatever you get, imo.

Clearly, the guy wasn't there to make a friendly little transaction.

Reading this is gut-wrenching. People actually do still think like this....

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Research the story. This detective seems to have had a mental breakdown at the time of the event. Shot in the back of the neck? The main issue, to me is, the system by which they'll face punishment is a lot different for them than for the rest of us. No charges are typically filed in these cases because of the thin blue line phenomena.

Like I said, the cop may or may not get charged with something. My concern is that this is not going to bring the guy back to life. In most instances, you simply do not know the person behind the uniform or their frame of mind, but you do know they have a gun and one pull of that trigger can wipe a person completely from existence. Better to not test them.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Like I said, the cop may or may not get charged with something. My concern is that this is not going to bring the guy back to life. In most instances, you simply do not know the person behind the uniform or their frame of mind, but you do know they have a gun and one pull of that trigger can wipe a person completely from existence. Better to not test them.

Or better to get some less testy officers. Right now there is a petition being circulated to fire the chief. And there is a rally going on at 5:30 for firing the chief. I'm not going to say how I feel about that one way or the other, but I understand the people's concern.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Reading this is gut-wrenching. People actually do still think like this....

Civilians assuming they know what happened when they don't have all the facts is what is gut-wrenching to me.. but carry on with your conspiracy theory.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Civilians assuming they know what happened when they don't have all the facts is what is gut-wrenching to me.. but carry on with your conspiracy theory.

There are plenty of facts. The detective commandeered a vehicle and shot Jackson in the back of the neck. No weapon of any sort was ever found on Jackson.

Again, in the back of the neck...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

There are plenty of facts. The detective commandeered a vehicle and shot Jackson in the back of the neck. No weapon of any sort was ever found on Jackson.

Again, in the back of the neck...

You just named 3 facts.. and im not sure how you think they represent a huge violation of police protocol by being put together.

Commandeering a vehicle is completely legal if a member of the police force is pursuing someone who is fleeing.

Also, being shot in the back would indicate to me that the guy was, in fact, running from the officer, no?

Again, if a police officer tells you repeatedly to stop, and you keep running.. what do you think is going to happen?

There was no reason whatsoever for that guy to run, unless he had something to hide.

You keep acting like he was just some completely innocent citizen that this detective just started running after for no reason, and that's hogwash.

We don't have enough facts to know what this guy was really up to, or what was being said in the conversation they had before he decided to flee.

Clearly, the bank manager who spoke to this guy, and then went and got the detective in the first place, thought he was up to no good.

 

[Vtwin]

Clearly, the bank manager thought he was up to no good.

I guess that settles it. Since they thought he was up to no good... fire at will!