FEATURED A tough day in San Diego deserves perspective, not panic

Clove

Shrinkage
Messages
64,667
Reaction score
27,233
People/fans think they can optimistic this team to victory. No matter how loyal you think you are, everyone that's still a fan after 18 years of disaster, not to mention the kids that's never seen winning, are TRUE fans. No matter how much we pull out the stats and the reasons, excuses, this team loses. Have we not learned after all these years? Brady had bums on the field yesterday, dropping passes, etc. Yet he finds a way to win. These excuses game after game is what Jerry does. I don't mind fans, although lame, making excuses, but when I see Jerry acting like fans, then I know the reason we're still in a rut. He's delusional along with a lot of us.
 

Future

Intramural Legend
Messages
27,566
Reaction score
14,714
I didn't see Garrett get outcoached. Is he supposed to catch the ball for Dez, Witten, Harris, and Williams? Was he supposed to ask Ware to bother to show up? Was he supposed to cover Gates for Carter and Lee?
This team has been outcoached 42 games in a row.

They don't show up ready to play, and then they don't make any adjustments. I still think JG can be a good coach, but he just isn't right now.

You can go to X's and O's and schemes and whatever all day and night. What it comes down to is that this team can not consistently play with any energy or fire. You either have to have a Ray Lewis or a head coach who gets that out of his team, and we do not. Romo, Ware, Witten, Lee blah blah blah...its the same "professional" approach that is killing this team. Its boring, and they are boring to watch.

The reason Dez and guys like JJ Wilcox are so fun to watch is that they actually have a passion for the game. They are fiery and emotional. There are maybe only a handful of guys on the team like that. Everyone else tries to win, but in the end, is ok if they don't.
 

CowboyGil

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,551
Reaction score
1,248
At the risk of condescension, I detest browsing the forums the day after a loss because the know-nothings crawl out from under their rocks and lather the board with nonsensical gibberish. I get more insight from my wife, frankly, who'd rather be watching "The Voice". Valid points are harder to find than Heisenberg.

So let's talk about what REALLY happened yesterday, not the sophomoric drivel of the misguided. Yes, I had the Cowboys winning yesterday, comfortably in fact, but there's a reason they play these games, and yesterday showed exactly why. I was wrong about the Chargers, as were many.

1. Phillip Rivers was outstanding. That throw to Peter Dinklage early for the first score was incredible, perfectly dropped over the perfect coverage. Indefensible. The throw to Gates for the backbreaker, the multiple throws on key third downs, the decisions the whole day....the guy showed why he was once considered one of the best in the game. That's four good games in a row for him, and I'm impressed. Give the man his due. He was really good.

2. Demarcus Ware wasn't outstanding. I take a beating for pointing out that Ware simply disappears far too often in big moments. Against backups, then backups of backups, he was non-existent, until late in the game when he jumped offsides on a key third down. Only time his number was called. Out of the four starting linemen, Ware was the worst, and the pass rush was nil because of it. I know he got a stinger or whatever. Hey, everybody got a boo-boo yesterday, so excuses don't fly. Typical of Ware, he was awesome against the Rams, but when you really need him in a tight game, you can't find him.

3. Can we stop the nonsense about moving on from Miles Austin? He would have made a huge difference yesterday. This team looks entirely different when he is on the field, and it's critical that he can get healthy and be a part of this thing. Harris and Beasley are so far from being in Austin's league in the slot, it's not even worth the discussion.

4. Dropsies killed this team. Dez has got to stop dropping the ball in key moments late in games. The TDs were incredible, but they go for naught when you drop a critical 3rd-down ball late. The Cowboys are 1-6 in games he catches multiple touchdowns, which is odd, but yesterday provides a glimpse of why. But this was hardly Dez' fault alone as Witten, Harris, and Williams each contributed ugly drops on third downs that turned the ball over. If I'm Romo, I'm lighting into guys on the flight home.

5. Bruce Carter was taken out of the game by the coaches because he was getting torched. This was most concerning to me (other than the lack of a pass rush) because he and Lee were getting abused by tight ends all day. No doubt Peyton Manning will notice and he's licking his chops. Pass rush is part of that, but who's feeling confident about that today. Marinelli and Kiffen gotta get busy in the woodshed this morning.

6. I'm getting really concerned about Mo Claiborne. Jerry's favorite draft pick, whom he gave a #2 to swap picks for, looks entirely lost. I'm talking Jacques Reeves lost. I don't see any of the ball skills we were told about. That Wonderlik score suddenly looms large. Mo shouldn't start no mo.

7. I know he's a rookie, but really Williams? You needed two scores regardless, so why take that chance there? I swear, players today are just stupid; you didn't see numbskull plays like that 30 years ago. Trainers must have to tie these players shoes for them these days, because you see this brain-dead crap from players all over the league all the time.


OK, OK, let's get off the ledge and talk about some good, which there was. This wasn't the complete disaster it's being made out to be. It's hard to win in the NFL, especially on the road, and especially when the other team plays well. The Chargers are 30 seconds from being 4-0, and perhaps we should all bare that in mind. Especially me. I was impressed with them, and I think they make the playoffs this year. Suddenly the AFC West is the best division that conference.

1. Romo was good, the offensive line was pretty good, and overall, the offense still looked very promising. The stupid drops were all that got in Dallas' way because it looked like they could go up and down the field all day. The problem was, the mistakes were magnified because they couldn't get back on the field. The offense spent most of the second half just watching the Chargers march down the field.

2. The defense wasn't lost so much as it was tired. It was hot on the field, and they just got gassed. Yes, they brought much of it on themselves, but the offense put them back on the field with short notice too much, and it got to them. That's football, and that's what ball possession does. This wasn't a huge step backward as much as just a lesson in good football from the Chargers. That is predicated, however, on the return of the pass rush. Marinelli has to re-discover it.

3. In all the ugliness, the Cowboys were inside the five with 4 minutes to go and three time outs and a chance to make it a 30-28 game. This wasn't Denver-Philly or Giants-Chiefs. This was a winnable game until the dumb rookie mistake (which Miles wouldn't have made). Even with all that went horribly wrong, Dallas was right there in the end.

4. Let's take some inventory. The Falcons are 1-3. The Texans look awful and are 2-2. The 49ers, Giants, Packers, Steelers, Commanders, Ravens, Bengals....all off to disappointing starts. Dallas is not alone.


This was not a catastrophe. It was a tough loss, and with Denver looming on the horizon, it certainly dampens the optimism of a week ago. My 11-5 prediction is admittedly more comfortable in the 10-6 or 9-7 range now.

But this team is still in first place, and will be next week no matter what happens. And it be just like this team, and this league for that matter, for the Cowboys to jump up and surprise us against the Broncos. Romo is undefeated against Peyton Manning, for the record. It'll be a white-knuckler come Sunday at the Death Star.

Let's just tip our caps to San Diego, put our big-boy pants on, and march on. A very long way to go, and time to right the ship, especially in this division.

Thanks for being an island of reality in an ocean of diarrhea.
 

erod

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,920
Reaction score
58,589
who is the loser who went for 56 yard FG and basically gave the Chargers three points as a result?

He is supposed to get the team ready but again, on the road they weren't. If that isn't on the coach, who is it on? Other coaches have come out and said that they didn't have the team ready and that is on them, Garrett never does.

I questioned that decision, too, but it was Bailey with the wind, and it had plenty of leg.

So what is wrong with the coaches of the 49ers, Falcons, Texans, Commanders, Giants, Packers, Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens?

I guess John Fox and Pete Carroll are the only really good coaches in the league.
 

slomoxn

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,850
Reaction score
1,051
How does a position like this get 20 "likes."

No insight offered. No analysis. No Perspective.

Only here on Cowboyszone.

The sad thing is that without any of those three things we still know how the story will end, sort of like watching Freddy Kruger 33, we know he is going to kill everyone, die at the end and somehow they will make Freddy Kruger 34. Well Dallas will put up a lot of hype about the changes all through TC, OTA, and preseason, then the season will start and the lipstick will start wearing off of the pig and we'll see its still the same team with the same results. The story isn't changing just the players in game.
 

KJJ

You Have an Axe to Grind
Messages
57,547
Reaction score
35,517
Here's some perspective the Cowboys are 2-2 for a 3rd straight season and for a 3rd straight year face a formidable opponent in game 5. In game 5 of the 2011 season they faced NE the eventual AFC champions that season and got beat. In game 5 of the 2012 season they faced Baltimore the eventual SB champions that season and got beat. In game 5 this season the Cowboys face Denver who may end up in the SB. Every season is like deja vu.
 

erod

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,920
Reaction score
58,589
This team has been outcoached 42 games in a row.

They don't show up ready to play, and then they don't make any adjustments. I still think JG can be a good coach, but he just isn't right now.

You can go to X's and O's and schemes and whatever all day and night. What it comes down to is that this team can not consistently play with any energy or fire. You either have to have a Ray Lewis or a head coach who gets that out of his team, and we do not. Romo, Ware, Witten, Lee blah blah blah...its the same "professional" approach that is killing this team. Its boring, and they are boring to watch.

The reason Dez and guys like JJ Wilcox are so fun to watch is that they actually have a passion for the game. They are fiery and emotional. There are maybe only a handful of guys on the team like that. Everyone else tries to win, but in the end, is ok if they don't.

First off, there are no "adjustments". That's a tired cliche fans use, but as Babe Laugenberg and others say, there's nothing you can "adjust" when your offensive line doesn't block or your secondary can't cover. it's about execution, not adjustments.

It's also not about "fire". Bill Walsh never said a mean word, but he had the talent to win anyway. These are pros, and if you get into them with high school rah-rah stuff, they'll just roll their eyes. They didn't get to this level if they didn't know how to play with high energy. It takes more than Hulk Hogan to lead men. And besides, the Cowboys play with a ton of passion and energy. They have since Garrett took over, but you can't win if your offensive and defensive lines aren't good enough.

Dez and all his passion had two critical drops yesterday. He dropped a touchdown against KC. Did Jerry Rice show "passion"? Wes Welker? Barry Sanders? Throwing up an X when you score and getting in defenders faces means nothing; it's just fodder for the cameras. It's about being prepared and making plays, which Dez is getting better and better at.
 

CanadianCowboysFan

Lightning Rod
Messages
24,466
Reaction score
7,526
I questioned that decision, too, but it was Bailey with the wind, and it had plenty of leg.

So what is wrong with the coaches of the 49ers, Falcons, Texans, Commanders, Giants, Packers, Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens?

I guess John Fox and Pete Carroll are the only really good coaches in the league.


if it really is just about the players, then why do we even have coaches?

why does our staff always seem to be outmatched, why don't we outmatch others personnel wise,
 

CanadianCowboysFan

Lightning Rod
Messages
24,466
Reaction score
7,526
First off, there are no "adjustments". That's a tired cliche fans use, but as Babe Laugenberg and others say, there's nothing you can "adjust" when your offensive line doesn't block or your secondary can't cover. it's about execution, not adjustments.

It's also not about "fire". Bill Walsh never said a mean word, but he had the talent to win anyway. These are pros, and if you get into them with high school rah-rah stuff, they'll just roll their eyes. They didn't get to this level if they didn't know how to play with high energy. It takes more than Hulk Hogan to lead men. And besides, the Cowboys play with a ton of passion and energy. They have since Garrett took over, but you can't win if your offensive and defensive lines aren't good enough.

Dez and all his passion had two critical drops yesterday. He dropped a touchdown against KC. Did Jerry Rice show "passion"? Wes Welker? Barry Sanders? Throwing up an X when you score and getting in defenders faces means nothing; it's just fodder for the cameras. It's about being prepared and making plays, which Dez is getting better and better at.

Barry Sanders got stopped behind the line of scrimmage more than most other runners, the equivalent of a drop I would say.

Sure most of the game is about execution but why does it seem our team cannot execute two weeks in a row? Is that not at least partially the coaches fault?
 

BHendri5

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,957
Reaction score
1,304
I agree with your post 150%. You and I agree about Ware, I have been saying the same thing about Ware for 4yrs now, I say we should trade him now while we can get a high pick or picks for him, Ratliff and Spencer.
 

Doomsay

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,506
Reaction score
6,106
5. Bruce Carter was taken out of the game by the coaches because he was getting torched. This was most concerning to me (other than the lack of a pass rush) because he and Lee were getting abused by tight ends all day. No doubt Peyton Manning will notice and he's licking his chops. Pass rush is part of that, but who's feeling confident about that today. Marinelli and Kiffen gotta get busy in the woodshed this morning.

.
Yes, but firstly, they will have to walk on up to the big house and inquire if young mister Jones is in, and make well sure that they don't contradict anything he is saying about individual players on his weekly wireless show.
 

Doomsay

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,506
Reaction score
6,106
I agree with your post 150%. You and I agree about Ware, I have been saying the same thing about Ware for 4yrs now, I say we should trade him now while we can get a high pick or picks for him, Ratliff and Spencer.

What do you think we can get for Spencer? That would be great.
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,450
Reaction score
48,253
Good post, but I disagree about Austin and about the offense. You can't win in the nfl scoring 14 points.

Fumbled on the one (that is 7 more) and had 3-4 pretty big drops while only punting 5 times. They had few opportunities given San Diego's offensive domination.
Dallas seemed to move the ball fairly well, imo.
 

Tabascocat

Dexternjack
Messages
26,649
Reaction score
36,461
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
The sad thing is that without any of those three things we still know how the story will end, sort of like watching Freddy Kruger 33, we know he is going to kill everyone, die at the end and somehow they will make Freddy Kruger 34. Well Dallas will put up a lot of hype about the changes all through TC, OTA, and preseason, then the season will start and the lipstick will start wearing off of the pig and we'll see its still the same team with the same results. The story isn't changing just the players in game.


C'mon now, this is extremely way off base and is uncalled for
facepalm.gif








At least get the comparison right! Freddy ended after nine shows, the real killer made it to 12 I believe, Jason :eek:
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
I agree with your post 150%. You and I agree about Ware, I have been saying the same thing about Ware for 4yrs now, I say we should trade him now while we can get a high pick or picks for him, Ratliff and Spencer.
at least you are consistent about being wrong.
OP really showed how blind he is by missing the FACT that Ware got injured
 
Top