Commanders after Hatcher and Spencer

[Common Sense]

They should have never franchised him in the first place. 6 sacks being a career high for Spencer earned him $8.5M for the year, while 6 sacks is a career low for Ware and people thought he'd play at like a $6M base salary.

The problem is that this team can't seem to tell the difference between a salary cap that has been stagnant for three years and one that just rose $10 million after teams have already been gearing up for the carryover provision. They have consistently been wrong in predicting salary cap economics year in and year out, and this time it cost them their best defensive player.

 

[Blackspider214]

Fits what Snyder loves to do since he got here. Sign aging vets and overpay. Let them go their for their careers to die. Hatcher had one good season out of his career last year. Spencer outside of a season or so has not lived up to what he was supposed to be.

See ya....

 

[Tabascocat]

When the Skins are after players, that is clue #1 to let them go

 

[Mrdude108]

It fascinates me how we can draft Costa's immediate replacement and Witten's and Austin's future replacements in one draft but can't seem to have a single defensive player waiting in the wings. Sure, part of the Spencer situation was bad luck, but part of it was not taking what we already do on the offensive side of the ball and doing it on defense. We essentially will/have replaced three offensive starters in one draft, but we can't replace one defensive starter in three drafts.

It really is fascinating, kind of sad. Although its hard to predict Spencer, Ratliff, Crawford and Bass all going out for the season. We would have at least gotten to see what Crawford and Bass could do. Not to mention Brent was looking like a potentially pretty good player. Though they did know about Spencer and Hatcher becoming free agents and Ware's cap number, Ratliff's decline and Brent's incident before the last draft and even the one before that minus Brent.

 

[jobberone]

Hard to imagine many are seriously looking at a guy coming off a surgery that pretty much is a last ditch effort.

Looking into who's had it I guess Colston has had both knees done, the most recent being 2011 and the other in 2009.

Guess that just about makes him one of the few success stories I've heard. Reggie Bush is another.

Stephen Bowen had it. Didn't know that.

I'd really be shocked to see anything substantial for him in terms of money.

Be nice of he'd sign for dirt cheap. $1M base salary with $1M extra if he hits 85% of the teams snaps.

That's because it may not be a last ditch effort. You can't lump everyone into the 'you had microfracture surgery therefore you are finished' group. Everyone's surgery goes differently. So does the rehab. And that's not even getting into what did their knee look like pre and post surgery(s) nor why are they having to do the surgery. Everything depends on his symptoms, signs, MRs, CTs, enhanced studies, preop and postop surgical findings, exams, rehab testing, and his ability to perform on the field. Anyone who has had surgery are evaluated this way.

And no one here has all that knowledge. All we have is he had surgery and he's not played since. You can't go by 'well so and so saw him limping' and make any predictive statements beyond the next few days of that.

 

[AsthmaField]

I hope hatcher understands that a big part of his success last year was the scheme he was in.

 

[guag]

At this point, we would have just been better off letting him walk last year and taking the comp pick.

We would still get a compensatory pick now though, isn't that right? And what sort of pick would we get?

 

[Tobal]

Hatcher had some flashes before last yr, but no one was excited they resigned him a couple of years ago. We were all ok good depth signing. Hatcher isn't nearly as good in 3-4 he can do some good when they go nickel, but how much will they give him? Hatcher to skins, just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[visionary]

It fascinates me how we can draft Costa's immediate replacement and Witten's and Austin's future replacements in one draft but can't seem to have a single defensive player waiting in the wings. Sure, part of the Spencer situation was bad luck, but part of it was not taking what we already do on the offensive side of the ball and doing it on defense. We essentially will/have replaced three offensive starters in one draft, but we can't replace one defensive starter in three drafts.

you will change your mind once gavin escobar balls out this year, i can feel it

 

[DanTanna]

Here is how I see it.

Our DL was BAD last year and as a matter of fact it has been bad for a few years. It really puts a lot of pressure on our DBs when there is no pressure on the QB consistently. And it is laughable how BAD our DBs have looked (in part because of the DL) - and we've spent LOTS of resources there. So I don't mind one bit if we jettison every starting DL we have - they were a giant part of the problem. Is it scary to not have proven starters to replace them? Sure. But mark my words, someone will step up that we won't expect. A young guy that will WOW us from either the draft or home grown. When this happens he will be UNDERPAID for a few years and then when we resign him hopefully JJ and Co have learned lessons from the past and don't go cuckoo. I have hope someone will step up and surprise us, and that will help us cap wise and winning wise.

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Which one is being considered as the "blocker Magnet"?

 

[Stash]

I hope hatcher understands that a big part of his success last year was the scheme he was in.

I don't think he much cares at this point.

It's all about the $$$$$

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think he much cares at this point.

It's all about the $$$$$

Well this is his last chance to set himself up for the rest of his life.

 

[Stash]

Well this is his last chance to set himself up for the rest of his life.

Exactly.

And that is his sole priority right now.

He doesn't care about team, scheme, or location.

It's all about the payola.

$traight ca$h Homie!

 

[Idgit]

I hope hatcher understands that a big part of his success last year was the scheme he was in.

I do, too. He's going to make his decision based solely on cash, I think. But playing in a scheme where he's so effective makes it a lot more likely he'd see the end--or at least an extra year--of whatever deal he signs. Taking bigger money to get cut a year sooner at the end of his career is not necessarily in his best interest. You'd hope a tie would otherwise go to Dallas since he likes Marinelli and likes the system here now.

 

[AsthmaField]

Which one is being considered as the "blocker Magnet"?

Ha! That goes back a little ways...

 

[Mookie]

Laugh all you want at me, but I'd take either one back. Spencer was the best defensive player in 2012, and Hatcher in 2013. Both at a good price and healthy could be great for our D in '14

 

[OhSnap]

Spencer won't play a full season and he's prolly gonna be 15-20lbs lighter and outta shape compared to his best year. I hope he gets himself another big contract from Washington. He's the most under rated Cowboy in the last 10 years but that was a serious injury.