Mom, Grandmom Arrested After Disciplining Kid on FB

That wasn't discipline, that was a "look at me, I'm tough" video of a simple person. Disciplining your child by going on the same social media to show how "tough" YOU are? Way to get em...I guess:confused: More like a bunch o crackheads who "found" a video camera.
 
That wasn't discipline, it was humiliation, and they deserve the consequences. There are appropriate ways to discipline kids that include corporal punishment, but this was not one of them.
 
discipline can be humiliation. even judges order thieves to wear signs in public for humiliation. this is why towns had stocks you could be locked in during the old days.
 
65fastback2plus2 said:
discipline can be humiliation. even judges order thieves to wear signs in public for humiliation. this is why towns had stocks you could be locked in during the old days.
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They should not of been arrested, but I think you are arguing apples and oranges. A kid vs an adult. Also, take into account, mental health, which is actually being taken seriously, now a days. Personally, I think what they did was acceptable, if he joined a gang or is trying to be a gang banger.
 
65fastback2plus2 said:
discipline can be humiliation. even judges order thieves to wear signs in public for humiliation. this is why towns had stocks you could be locked in during the old days.
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It's also why we don't have stocks in the present day.

Also, he was 6.

Discipline is good. Humiliation might be useful in certain contexts, but it definitely can be harmful in other contexts. Publicly whipping a 6 year old with a tool and then humiliating him with the footage instead of simply parenting him and actually addressing the underlying reasons why he's glorifying bad guys is not a solution. Also, as it turns out, it's illegal.

This is not tough love. It's tough stupidity.
 
Despite what those mediots are saying. I'm sure they were arrested for whipping the kid 60 times with the belt not for shaming/embarrassing the kid.
 
speedkilz88 said:
Despite what those mediots are saying. I'm sure they were arrested for whipping the kid 60 times with the belt not for shaming/embarrassing the kid.
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Ah...I should mention, I only listened to the first minute or so of coverage there where the story was introduced. I have no idea what those idiots were talking about. :)
 
Idgit said:
It's also why we don't have stocks in the present day.

Also, he was 6.

Discipline is good. Humiliation might be useful in certain contexts, but it definitely can be harmful in other contexts. Publicly whipping a 6 year old with a tool and then humiliating him with the footage instead of simply parenting him and actually addressing the underlying reasons why he's glorifying bad guys is not a solution. Also, as it turns out, it's illegal.

This is not tough love. It's tough stupidity.
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you dont know if its a solution or not. its not your kid and you cant see 15 years into the future.

and plenty of bad things are legal and good things illegal, so thats a moot point.
 
65fastback2plus2 said:
you dont know if its a solution or not. its not your kid and you cant see 15 years into the future.

and plenty of bad things are legal and good things illegal, so thats a moot point.
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I *do* know it's not a solution because it's damaging to the child. Actual parenting solutions don't damage children. Also, I can say with certainty that there are also actual solutions to help this kid 15 years into the future that can and should have been used. Your argument is an argument for using arbitrary violence and humiliation and justifying it because the effects of that sort of abuse are in the future and, thus, can't actually be measured. That's just an awful, thoughtless argument.

And the fact that some good things are illegal doesn't make the fact that some bad things are also illegal a 'moot point.'
 
CashMan said:
They should not of been arrested, but I think you are arguing apples and oranges. A kid vs an adult. Also, take into account, mental health, which is actually being taken seriously, now a days. Personally, I think what they did was acceptable, if he joined a gang or is trying to be a gang banger.
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What do young men (boys) do when they are humiliated? They retailiate! In this twisted logic shared @ this household, it wouldn't surprise me if was set on "proving" himself; and not going to school to get good grades "proof."
 
CashMan said:
I don't know what you are referencing. A judge humiliating an 18yr old is different than a 12yr old.
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Yeah I edited that gun reference out because it took away from the point. Basically, they are using justified violence to undermine his attempt to be "tough." As a young male, what do you think is likely to reassert his "toughness" amongst his peers after they witness this humiliation? Nothing positive I'm sure.
 
BigStar said:
Yeah I edited that gun reference out because it took away from the point. Basically, they are using justified violence to undermine his attempt to be "tough." As a young male, what do you think is likely to reassert his "toughness" amongst his peers after they witness this humiliation? Nothing positive I'm sure.
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I said, I do not have a problem with what they did. Who cares, what his peers say, if his peers are gangsters, then he needs to find a better crew to hang out with. That lifestyles endgame is being in jail or early death. Hard lesson for him to learn.
 
CashMan said:
I said, I do not have a problem with what they did. Who cares, what his peers say, if his peers are gangsters, then he needs to find a better crew to hang out with. That lifestyles endgame is being in jail or early death. Hard lesson for him to learn.
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I agree Cash, I just think the results of this type of "punishment" actually pushes him closer to the gangs and dealers. He's not learning anything other than the physical humiliation, not the true reason as to why it is wrong to admire dealers and the lifestyle in the first place. You have to acknowledge the mental maturity of a young boy as well. All I took from that was that I have to be a "true" gangster and not just "tell" it. This may lead him to prove himself on the street when the punishment (I assume) was intended to humiliate him away from that crowd. That type of punishment doesn't work and is counter productive when using it as a tool to discourage young men from becoming dealers/gangsters/stick up kids, etc. It strengthens it.
 
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BigStar said:
I agree Cash, I just think the results of this type of "punishment" actually pushes him closer to the gangs and dealers. He's not learning anything other than the physical humiliation, not the true reason as to why it is wrong to admire dealers and the lifestyle in the first place. You have to acknowledge the mental maturity of a young boy as well. All I took from that was that I have to be a "true" gangster and not just "tell" it. This may lead him to prove himself on the street when the punishment (I assume) was intended to humiliate him away from that crowd. That type of punishment doesn't work and is counter productive when using it as a tool to discourage young men from becoming dealers/gangsters/stick up kids, etc. It strengthens it.
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Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the parents and grandparents didn't know. And now since they know, someone is going to get their *** beat, if he continues.
 
CashMan said:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the parents and grandparents didn't know. And now since they know, someone is going to get their *** beat, if he continues.
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Ironically, I don't have a problem with that (corp punishment) as long as it isn't extensive and sadistic in nature.
 
Idgit said:
I *do* know it's not a solution because it's damaging to the child. Actual parenting solutions don't damage children. Also, I can say with certainty that there are also actual solutions to help this kid 15 years into the future that can and should have been used. Your argument is an argument for using arbitrary violence and humiliation and justifying it because the effects of that sort of abuse are in the future and, thus, can't actually be measured. That's just an awful, thoughtless argument.

And the fact that some good things are illegal doesn't make the fact that some bad things are also illegal a 'moot point.'
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I got my due beatings when I was a kid. Deserved them all. Having to admit your wrong and apologize is always humiliating. Its what makes strong people.
 
6 year olds barely know much of anything. Certainly nothing complex. You have to make them not want to do anything like that again; and each kid is unique in what might work for one will not work for another. That is where idgit is as usual wrong. He thinks there is a one size fits all punishment.
 
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