***The Second Call/NonCall good/bad conspiracy etc thread***merged**

[Plankton]

Let's say, for discussion purposes, that the Dez play isn't overturned and the Cowboys score on the next play (highly likely).

I assume the Cowboys go for 2 at that point to make it a 3 point game. Anybody know the average conversion rate on 2 pt conversions. How about the Cowboys conversion percentage for the season.

At that point the Packers have the ball with 3:30 - 4:00 minutes left and 0 time-outs.

What scenarios play out?

The one I think is most likely is the Packers drive down and end up kicking a field goal with maybe 1 minute left and the Cowboys have maybe a minute or so to try to the same.

I suspect the game goes into overtime.

Has anybody used the game outcome calculator to see what the odds of the Cowboys and/or Packers win is based on the outcome of the over-turned call. I ready somewhere that either way the Packers had a greater likelihood of winning, however, that seems odd to me since the Cowboys would have the lead in the scenario where Dez is given that catch.

My opinion?

The Packers go down and score. I think they end up tying the game with a FG (yes, I think the Cowboys convert the 2 point conversion on a pass to Dez), and it goes to OT.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

And that has what to do with what ?

I get that you are trash talking...I am not however. It is very obvious when I go down that road.

The teams I root for have their own problems for sure, but it is a rarity that I come here to bash your team or players.
But yeah, the Commanders sucked like it was their job this season.

Why not just say leave that Organization as a fan? I mean really....your hanging out here all the time....

Just start buying Cowboys gear. Rooting for them.

 

[ringmaster]

But you were entertained on Sunday, right? The NFL has openly admitted that they are in the entertainment business. Entertainment means that the outcome can be influenced by the league. The rules are written by lawyers who realize how much gray area exists. Then they shove Pereira on TV to convince the public that the rules are fair.

Well Pereira can kiss my you know what and his explanation of what happened is total bs and he knows he and the entire NFL can take that "Calvin Johnson rule" and shove it and for those troll fans here and other fans of other teams who agreed with this garbage can shove it too.

 

[Rack]

Or it could be that they're human, try their best to be impartial and try to interpret the rules of the game as best they can.

Not likely. I think they're morons.

 

[Staubacher]

Wow. you are really out there.

See, this is what happens when you have no point. You start creating arguments and attributing them to another. I think they call that a "straw man argument" in the literary world.
Where did I say a fan can't question a future bad call against their team? Moreover, how do you question a "future bad call"? Do you have a crystal ball?

See, you're now becoming illogical.



Nope. I'm using my free speech to respond to posters who quote my post. Some would consider it rude NOT to respond to those who respond to you. But these are desperation tactics. You are stubborn so you want your point to go unchallenged. I am stubborn because I seek to respond to those who respond to me. You don't like that I'm stubborn so instead of letting it die, you offer a response that was given, oh, pages ago and then try to call me out for making the same point over and over again when I've been quoted by various posters over and over again.



I don't choose to do that. I choose to discuss here and respond to those who respond to my post. But thank you for giving me the permission to do so.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Wow. you are really out there.

I like tyke1doe. He really brings some great insight and contemplation and literary sense, to the forum. Hey tyke, don't forget to fill the water bottles.....


Im joking!! I joke....

 

[visionary]

Mike Pereira and Gene Steratore are the types when explaining their affairs to say, "It barely went in." Dez didn't "make enough of a football move" my heiny.

But this argument falls flat when you consider that the call on the field was a completed pass
Now, by the NFL s own rules you need "indisputable evidence" of if not being a catch to overturn the ruling on the field

They did not have that so the original ruling on the field should have stood as called

 

[Hook'em#11]

I still haven't got over them flagging Benny Barnes for PI in SB 8, so I doubt I'll let this go any time soon. I hope it sticks in everyone's craw, eats at us and makes us angry, especially the team. I want it to motivate them. I want the team to come back angry and mean next season, and ready to kick some behind. The fans too, be loud and rowdy for the Boys next year.

You raise a good point.. I am still pissed about many calls. Calls that seemed more legit. Especially how Dallas got a call their way last week.

I do hope it motivates them. Every player in the locker room knows they got jobbed on that. The Packers fans know it too. But, I think it's just too close to the Lions game when many Cowboys fans were telling Lions fans not whine over a call. Now, here are Cowboys fans doing it..

BUT!!! Deion Sanders STILL PI'd Irvin on the go ahead/game winning TD in the 94' Championship game at Candlestick.. That one still stings.

This one will too. But, it's Tuesday. It's over. LOL..

 

[DallasEast]

Two feet. Control. Catch.

Loss of control of the ball after control has been established (i.e. contact with the ground, defender stripping the ball, etc.) should be considered a fumble. Simple scenarios call for simple rules. I would correct this idiotic rule by removing the sections highlighted in red below:

http://static.nfl.com/static/conten.../pdfs/11_2013_ForwardPass_BackPass_Fumble.pdf

COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Note 2: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Item 2: Sideline Catches. If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of making a catch at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or the pass is incomplete.
Item 3: End Zone Catches. The requirements for a catch in the end zone are the same as the requirements for a catch in the field of play.

Note: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, after which contact by a defender causes the ball to become loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
Item 4: Ball Touches Ground. If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided that the player continues to maintain control.
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.

 

[ringmaster]

He did not interfere....holy cow.

He held....the nfl said so....but that was not the call.

I think people need to step away from their tvs...it is corrupting their ability to use their own brains to evaluate what happened.

As the saying goes perception is reality and the perception is related to the Lions game is only Hitchens was the guilty party on that play in which Pettigrew was just as guilty if anything it should've been offsetting penalties but yet the media blinded the haters even with that Detroit was robbed stuff we heard all week and the sheepel allowed the media to brainwash them into thinking the refs were bought by JJ. This week Dez was robbed of what was a great catch Tony was robbed of a great throw then Steratore overturns the call then all you hear is that lesson learned from them robbing the Lions. This infraction is much different than the Detroit situation last week and most knows this and a lot of the Cowboys haters are climaxing in their pants that it went down the way it did if any of them can sit there and say that he didn't catch that ball is a willfully stupid person that couldn't talk to me about anything and even had one of these idiots to tell me that Dez should've went down and he was immature for trying to make a stretching play for the TD and that is what I'm talking about right there so he will not be allowed to even strike a conversation with me from now on if you're that blind then go follow the media induced sheep that you hang around in the end it doesn't matter now and I'm pulling for Seattle to crush the boy wonder Aaron Rodgers.

 

[AsthmaField]

Remember when they were around here every day telling us RG3 and that dumbed down offense was the wave of the future?

Good times.

LOL, sure do.

Kind of telling that Dallas went to the divisional round of the playoffs with a good old fashioned, kick-your-teeth-in, grind it out offense. No tricks, no illusion... just try to stop us if you can.

Green Bay was lucky to get out of that game with a W.

 

[Deep_South]

The Detroit call was a procedural mistake on the part of the officials and in no way compares to the Dez call. If the officials in the Detroit game hashed it out like they were supposed to do before making the announcement, the referee would have just announced, "There is no call for offensive pass interference", and the game would have continued.

 

[FloridaRob]

How many fans looked at the clock when Dez made the catch and before they overturned it and thought OMG, there are still four minutes on the clock and Rodgers has too much time. Just like the call against Detroit, the Lions had a lot of time to be able to do something with it so the call did not affect the final outcome. Rodgers was on fire and I was as confident with him getting four minutes left he would get a score. As it played out, with four minutes left and NOT having to score he moved the team down to the 20.

On the other hand, with four minutes left, the defense had multiple chances to get the ball back and have the ball one last chance. They could not stop them when they had to stop them to get the ball back when GB was just trying to run the clock out. The Dez play was unfortunate but did not lose the ball game for Dallas. Even Garret and Jerry Jones saw that.

 

[Idgit]

How many fans looked at the clock when Dez made the catch and before they overturned it and thought OMG, there are still four minutes on the clock and Rodgers has too much time. Just like the call against Detroit, the Lions had a lot of time to be able to do something with it so the call did not affect the final outcome. Rodgers was on fire and I was as confident with him getting four minutes left he would get a score. As it played out, with four minutes left and NOT having to score he moved the team down to the 20.

On the other hand, with four minutes left, the defense had multiple chances to get the ball back and have the ball one last chance. They could not stop them when they had to stop them to get the ball back when GB was just trying to run the clock out. The Dez play was unfortunate but did not lose the ball game for Dallas. Even Garret and Jerry Jones saw that.

I went beyond that to trying to figure out how much time would be left for Romo to try to get into position for a FG if we held you to 3. We'd done a pretty good job all season keeping teams from getting into the end zone in those situations. Would have been nice to have the chance to see what would happen, though.

I think everybody in this thread understands that this game did not hinge on one blown call by the officials. At least I hope we do. We had ample opportunity to put you guys away and could not get it done when we needed to.

 

[Doomsday101]

I went beyond that to trying to figure out how much time would be left for Romo to try to get into position for a FG if we held you to 3. We'd done a pretty good job all season keeping teams from getting into the end zone in those situations. Would have been nice to have the chance to see what would happen, though.

I think everybody in this thread understands that this game did not hinge on one blown call by the officials. At least I hope we do. We had ample opportunity to put you guys away and could not get it done when we needed to.

I agree, I would rather get the chance to see what would have happen than to guess on what would have happened.

 

[Idgit]

I agree, I would rather get the chance to see what would have happen than to guess on what would have happened.

It might have been a great ending to a very good game. Even if we'd come out on the losing end of it. It's a shame it didn't happen.

 

[ringmaster]

How many fans looked at the clock when Dez made the catch and before they overturned it and thought OMG, there are still four minutes on the clock and Rodgers has too much time. Just like the call against Detroit, the Lions had a lot of time to be able to do something with it so the call did not affect the final outcome. Rodgers was on fire and I was as confident with him getting four minutes left he would get a score. As it played out, with four minutes left and NOT having to score he moved the team down to the 20.

On the other hand, with four minutes left, the defense had multiple chances to get the ball back and have the ball one last chance. They could not stop them when they had to stop them to get the ball back when GB was just trying to run the clock out. The Dez play was unfortunate but did not lose the ball game for Dallas. Even Garret and Jerry Jones saw that.

That what it all boils down to FloridaRob in the end I had no doubt in my mind that Rodgers wasn't going to allow the Packers to stay out of this game he's to good of a QB for that to happen but consider yourselves lucky that the game did end the way it did and I'm not talking about the bogus non catch either.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I haven't gone back to watch. Was it really 40 seconds?

This is according to Bryan Broadus, Mickey Spagnola, Derek Eagleton, Nick Eatman and Steve Dennis. They should know.

 

[Doomsday101]

It might have been a great ending to a very good game. Even if we'd come out on the losing end of it. It's a shame it didn't happen.

I agree, a competitor just wants the chance. That play right or wrong was a momentum killer. We do not know hell may GB fumbles the kickoff, hell Dallas may sneak an on-side kick(joking) we just do not know and never got the chance to find out.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I went beyond that to trying to figure out how much time would be left for Romo to try to get into position for a FG if we held you to 3. We'd done a pretty good job all season keeping teams from getting into the end zone in those situations. Would have been nice to have the chance to see what would happen, though.

I think everybody in this thread understands that this game did not hinge on one blown call by the officials. At least I hope we do. We had ample opportunity to put you guys away and could not get it done when we needed to.

I agree. We did have ample opportunities to put GB away. We couldn't get it done, until we did get it done ......though;

I mean yeah yeah yeah, we can go through the whole game and check this off or that off, etc etc. I get it...I do;

It was a battle. Back and forth. We punched, then GB punched. And it came down to that JUDGEMENT call by the replay official. Most GB fans I know will say at least that. And they say, "yeah" it was catch,

But it doesn't matter now. They will be playing Seattle next week.

My gut tells me we score with Murray after the Dez play. We win. This was a very young emotional Focused team.....they wanted the SB,.