Why isn't Joseph Randle starter material?

Has any of the three backs you listed done anything in the NFL? No, they haven't. Yes, McFadden is not on the same level as Gurley. Let's be honest, until he signed with Dallas, there wasn't a poster here that would say McFadden has been anything other than a first round bust. This oline is good, but not good enough to make any RB look great. The great line of the 1990's was one of the best of all time, but It took E. Smith to get the most out of them. Why are you so anxious to take the biggest strength of the team and weaken it? The rushing game got this team to the playoffs and a blown call is what stopped this team. The defense is getting upgraded. There is no need to panic if they decide to maintain a great running game while they do it. Drafting the 5th best DT or DE at 27 is not going to get Dallas to the Super Bowl. If the running game collapses and the defense is on the field too much, it won't matter if they spend the entire draft on defense. They will not hold up.

My issue is that I've spent a lot of time reviewing the RB in this draft and I also went back and reviewed McFadden from 2014 on the All-22.

When I see a guy like Coleman, I envision what would the 2014 version of McFadden have done if he replaced Coleman as Indiana's RB in 2014. My conclusion is that McFadden would have been as good or possibly better than Coleman.

I think McFadden would also have thrived playing for Wisconsin where they had better blocking than in Indiana.
 
again, if you really read my responses, you would get the point that I don't disagree with the fact that a good RB makes a difference in the running game. I have never not say that. My point is we don't need a first round RB to be a superbowl contender. our issue last year wasn't the running game. it was the defense. I don't think running game is precursor to winning a superbowl, nor a great RB. new England is a great example. giants won it without a great RB. Ray Rice as good as he was, wasn't great RB. all those teams had good OL, good QB play and good defense. seattle had a great suffocating defense. Indy made it to the AFC championship without bottom of the heap RBs. in the end they could score but couldnt' stop NE from scoring. and NE did the scoring with average RBs. Ravens took NE to the edge with Foster a 30 year old Rb who had a ho-hum career.

I totally disagree that we can't get a defensive player that will only take 25% of the snaps. I think you can get a player that will contribute a lot more. we have Hayden as starting DT in one spot. you want to tell me a first round DT is not going to be better than him? Carr is at the end of his useful cycle. Claiborne is a bust. you want to tell me we can't get a CB that can start by mid season or earlier?

and what's the difference between a first round RB and a 3rd round RB? murray was a third rounder. foster was a mid round pick. morris was a 6th round pick. productive Rbs are much easier to find in mid rounds compared to finding Cbs and DTs. fact is that despite your comparison of emmitt smith, this is a different NFL, with RBs devalued. passing game emphasized. and its not a surprise to see Murray's output increase and his productivity increase as we addressed the OL.

again, at the end of the day, we had an 1800 yard RB watching the defense from the sideline because they couldn't get off the field. if you are OK with that, then great, lets draft a RB, lets trade for AP. and we can watch the same thing happen. NFL games aren't won or lost on total yards like fantasy football leage.

I don't care about ROY or any fantasy points a RB might get. Frankly I am really sruprised you mention that as an incentive to get a RB? really? those are not the trophies that I would like the cowboys put on the mantle. if we don't address the defense we are not going to win anything.


we can still be a productive offense without an all world, ROY RB. and to your point. a RB might make us competitive and into the playoffs. delaying on drafting and adding defensive talent, specially as you indicate it takes longer for htem to become productive, then it delays our opportunity and chance to win a superbowl. I don't care about making it to the playoffs. I want to win superbowls. to win superbowls you need a defense. no ifs buts or thens about it. its been proven over and over that you don't need a top notch RB to win a superbowl. can't deny facts.

I think drafting defense in the first round is going to help us more. 100%. ability to get off the field on 3rd downs will directly lead to more offensive possessions and to more scoring opportunities. I disagree that you can't find a productive defensive player at #27 spot. if anything, recent history of drafting RBs in the first round has been nothing but bust after bust. history of draft tells us good, great RBs are found in mid rounds all the time.

We just disagree. You would settle for a good running game , but I want s great running game. You can't judge any other offense compared to the Cowboys. The Cowboys are now a running team. They will live and die by the run. Remember the 8-8 seasons depending on Romo passing 75% of the time? It didn't produce wins.
 
My issue is that I've spent a lot of time reviewing the RB in this draft and I also went back and reviewed McFadden from 2014 on the All-22.

When I see a guy like Coleman, I envision what would the 2014 version of McFadden have done if he replaced Coleman as Indiana's RB in 2014. My conclusion is that McFadden would have been as good or possibly better than Coleman.

I think McFadden would also have thrived playing for Wisconsin where they had better blocking than in Indiana.

That could be true, but the reality is that he is a bust now and I don't trust him to produce or stay healthy. There is no evidence to suggest that he will do either.
 
You would settle for a good running game , but I want s great running game. You can't judge any other offense compared to the Cowboys. The Cowboys are now a running team. They will live and die by the run.
We don't have to go RB at 27 to still have a great running game. The problem is on the other side of the ball. It's far from being championship worthy.
 
We don't have to go RB at 27 to still have a great running game. The problem is on the other side of the ball. It's far from being championship worthy.

I don't disagree with the defense needing upgrades. The one thing that will keep the team competitive while it is being upgraded is by keeping the defense off the field. The running game does that. I still find it hard to believe the thd 4th or 5th ranked defensive player at their position is going to be a difference maker this next season. I do think you are under the impression that there are several RBs that will do fine due to the line play. That is just not the case. The lower the talent at RB, the worse the running game will be. In turn, the defense will be on the field more and it will be exposed. I still would like to know the defensive prospects that could gave an a equal impact as a top RB if drafted at 27. Another point you are missing is that there is no such thing as having a top defense and offense under the salary cap. No team can afford it. This team is much closer to having s top offense thAn defense. I get the feeling that you would be willing to see the offense take a big step back if it meant improving the defense. I don't believe that is a wise decision at all. The top defense in the league does not automatically put a team in the Super Bowl. The problem with the defense has been pass rush. Hardy has been signed to help with that. You mentioned CBs I an earlier post. At 27, you are not getting a shut down CB. Marinelli has never used top picks on corners and that is supposed to be a positive thing that his defensive scheme doesn't need high dollar CBs. Has also had went on the record as saying the one tech is not s high valued position that requires a first round pick. As I said, there are upgrades that are needed, but not at the expense of weakening to running game and getting a less talented RB that is good enough. We just disagree. I think you are so set on drafting defense that you would rather draft a Ayer that is not as highly ranked just to go defense at 27. That is reaching and it will hurt the team. The running game carried this team last year and now you are willing to downgrade it it fit your agenda. Five picks could go to defense and you would still not be satisfied unless the first pick is defense even if it is a lesser rated player that will not contribute as much as a RB. We just will not ever agree.
 
We just disagree. You would settle for a good running game , but I want s great running game. You can't judge any other offense compared to the Cowboys. The Cowboys are now a running team. They will live and die by the run. Remember the 8-8 seasons depending on Romo passing 75% of the time? It didn't produce wins.

nahh, you are right ....the 32nd ranked defense didn't have anything to do with the 8-8 record? or the crappy defenses before that, which got shredded. nah...its all about the running game. that's how you win superbowls. lets put Jets in contention since they are top 5 running team.
 
I don't disagree with the defense needing upgrades. The one thing that will keep the team competitive while it is being upgraded is by keeping the defense off the field. The running game does that.

and how far did an 1800 yard rusher take us last year?

I still find it hard to believe the thd 4th or 5th ranked defensive player at their position is going to be a difference maker this next season.[ /quote]
so you don't think the 4th or 5th best DT is not better than Hayden? or the 4th or 5th best CB not better than Claiborne or Carr?

while good to great RBs are easily found in middle rounds, most good starting DTs are in the first couple of rounds.

I do think you are under the impression that there are several RBs that will do fine due to the line play. That is just not the case. The lower the talent at RB, the worse the running game will be.
so doesn't the same apply. the lower the defensive talent, the worse the defense? !!!!

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In turn, the defense will be on the field more and it will be exposed.
and improve the defense and the offense can get more opportunities. or did you forget the Chicago game a couple of years ago we we made exactly zero stops or the GB game when a one legged QB just mached down the field while our 1800 yard back watched from the sideline!!! a stop would have been very nice,.
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I still would like to know the defensive prospects that could gave an a equal impact as a top RB if drafted at 27.


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Potential candidates at 27
Alvin Dupree
Byron Jones
Kevin Johnson
Arik Armstead
Marcus Peters
Malcolm Brown
Owamagbe Odighizuwa
Eddie Goldman

all of whom could be great contributors in 2015. you know a lot of defensive players come to the league and contribute right away. its been done before!!!!

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Another point you are missing is that there is no such thing as having a top defense and offense under the salary cap No team can afford it. This team is much closer to having s top offense thAn defense
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so which top offense has won the championship lately? I can give you a list of teams with top defenses with Lombardi trophy, but I am sure you can google it.

. I get the feeling that you would be willing to see the offense take a big step back if it meant improving the defense.
one thing you haven't answered is what's the difference between the top rated RBs and the 4th and 5th one. how many more yards do you expect to get from the #1 RB vs. the #5 rated RB.

and in case you forgot we have top 10 offense for a few years. bottom rated defense and ended up 8-8. the one year we improved the defense, still posted a top offense we went 12-4. so will another 300 yards get you a superbowl? 1800 yard back didn't. do you expect a rookie to come in and get 2000? you automatically assume that the #5 rated RB is going to suck and there goes the offense. you completely dismissed the impact of the OL. Murray rushing yards increased every year as we improved and invested in the OL. coincidence?

the undisputed fact is without an improved defense, there is no superbowl.


I don't believe that is a wise decision at all. The top defense in the league does not automatically put a team in the Super Bowl. The problem with the defense has been pass rush. Hardy has been signed to help with that. You mentioned CBs I an earlier post. At 27, you are not getting a shut down CB. Marinelli has never used top picks on corners and that is supposed to be a positive thing that his defensive scheme doesn't need high dollar CBs. Has also had went on the record as saying the one tech is not s high valued position that requires a first round pick. As I said, there are upgrades that are needed, but not at the expense of weakening to running game and getting a less talented RB that is good enough. We just disagree. I think you are so set on drafting defense that you would rather draft a Ayer that is not as highly ranked just to go defense at 27. That is reaching and it will hurt the team. The running game carried this team last year and now you are willing to downgrade it it fit your agenda. Five picks could go to defense and you would still not be satisfied unless the first pick is defense even if it is a lesser rated player that will not contribute as much as a RB. We just will not ever agree.

the top defense in the league last year was Seattle. so yes, they did play in the superbowl. the undisputed fact is that a top notch running back is not a necessity to make it to the superbowl or make run in the playoffs. all you have to do is look at NE, Indy, Ravens, GB. none of them had a 1st round RB except for indy who has a complete bust who jus got cut. which further proves you don't need a top notch running game to make a superbowl run.

indy lost because they couldn't stop the NE offense with a bunch of average skilled position players. and in the end the superbowl came down to making a defensive play.

if we don't fix the defense. we will be having another good regular season and fizzle in the playoffs.

and the list of mid rated RBs that are great in the NFL is long. just take a look at the top rushing list. Murray is a great example. he was 5th or 6 rated back. if anything recent history tells us first round RBs are nothing but busts. RBs are much easier to find.




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nahh, you are right ....the 32nd ranked defense didn't have anything to do with the 8-8 record? or the crappy defenses before that, which got shredded. nah...its all about the running game. that's how you win superbowls. lets put Jets in contention since they are top 5 running team.

You are missing the whole point. The running game got the team outbox the 8-8 seasons. That was the big change in the team that caused the improvement. Depending on Romo and passing 50 times a game didn't produce nothing but average teams. The same defense was part of a 12-4 record. Oh, just s reminder, but the great Ssahawks defense didn't win the Shper Bowl and I haven't looked it up, but the top defense in the league rarely insures a a Super Bowl win. Do you have the stats to back up your claim that only a top defense can win Super Bowls, but please share the stats if you do. We can always get rid of Dez, Romo and Witten to have the cap room to pay for a top defense if that is the only way to win. I understand the need to upgrade defense, but I don't understand why you think weakening the running game to improve the defense is the answer.
 
You are missing the whole point. The running game got the team outbox the 8-8 seasons. That was the big change in the team that caused the improvement. Depending on Romo and passing 50 times a game didn't produce nothing but average teams. The same defense was part of a 12-4 record. Oh, just s reminder, but the great Ssahawks defense didn't win the Shper Bowl and I haven't looked it up, but the top defense in the league rarely insures a a Super Bowl win. Do you have the stats to back up your claim that only a top defense can win Super Bowls, but please share the stats if you do. We can always get rid of Dez, Romo and Witten to have the cap room to pay for a top defense if that is the only way to win. I understand the need to upgrade defense, but I don't understand why you think weakening the running game to improve the defense is the answer.

I disagree. it seems like you want to nicely put everything in one bucket then please do and convince yourself. you want to make it all about the running game as the single source of improvement.

the defense improved, did the running game help? yes. but the defense improved. third down percentage improved. sacks improved. pass rush improved. turnovers improved.

taking some of the play calling away from romo helped. there is plenty of articles out there that talked about that and getting romo not to change to a pass play as much as he did before.

commitment to the running game helped.

so was this all Murray? in your opinion yes, because you want to prove that a RB is the key to success of this team. where the reality is that it was not. many things factored into it.

and I go back to the question I asked before. you dismissed that a4th or 5th rated DT doesn't provide any value. which is far from the truth. you never answered what's the difference between the1st rated and 4th rated RB? and you never answered why so many mid round running backs have found success, yet first rounders have not?

you only accused that I advocate taking a strength and making it a weakness. where what I said is that we can get a good RB in the mid rounds, vs. a Defensive player from the mid rounds.
 
I don't disagree with the defense needing upgrades. The one thing that will keep the team competitive while it is being upgraded is by keeping the defense off the field. The running game does that. I still find it hard to believe the thd 4th or 5th ranked defensive player at their position is going to be a difference maker this next season. I do think you are under the impression that there are several RBs that will do fine due to the line play. That is just not the case. The lower the talent at RB, the worse the running game will be. In turn, the defense will be on the field more and it will be exposed. I still would like to know the defensive prospects that could gave an a equal impact as a top RB if drafted at 27. Another point you are missing is that there is no such thing as having a top defense and offense under the salary cap. No team can afford it. This team is much closer to having s top offense thAn defense. I get the feeling that you would be willing to see the offense take a big step back if it meant improving the defense. I don't believe that is a wise decision at all. The top defense in the league does not automatically put a team in the Super Bowl. The problem with the defense has been pass rush. Hardy has been signed to help with that. You mentioned CBs I an earlier post. At 27, you are not getting a shut down CB. Marinelli has never used top picks on corners and that is supposed to be a positive thing that his defensive scheme doesn't need high dollar CBs. Has also had went on the record as saying the one tech is not s high valued position that requires a first round pick. As I said, there are upgrades that are needed, but not at the expense of weakening to running game and getting a less talented RB that is good enough. We just disagree. I think you are so set on drafting defense that you would rather draft a Ayer that is not as highly ranked just to go defense at 27. That is reaching and it will hurt the team. The running game carried this team last year and now you are willing to downgrade it it fit your agenda. Five picks could go to defense and you would still not be satisfied unless the first pick is defense even if it is a lesser rated player that will not contribute as much as a RB. We just will not ever agree.
Too much to address but I've consistently said all along to take the highest rated player when you are on the clock. If it's a CB then do it. If it's a LB that's fine. Being hell bent on taking a RB come hell or high water at 27 isn't the right approach either. Also, we can't win a Super Bowl with the current defense including the addition of Hardy. We better start adding some talent soon or having a world class offense won't do any good.
 
I understand the need to upgrade defense, but I don't understand why you think weakening the running game to improve the defense is the answer.
We had the best running game in the league last year and didn't make it to the nfc championship game or super bowl. Ask Aaron Rodgers why and he will laugh at you because the reason is obvious. Not saying we don't need a good RB we just don't HAVE to take one at 27.
 
I disagree. it seems like you want to nicely put everything in one bucket then please do and convince yourself. you want to make it all about the running game as the single source of improvement.

the defense improved, did the running game help? yes. but the defense improved. third down percentage improved. sacks improved. pass rush improved. turnovers improved.

taking some of the play calling away from romo helped. there is plenty of articles out there that talked about that and getting romo not to change to a pass play as much as he did before.

commitment to the running game helped.

so was this all Murray? in your opinion yes, because you want to prove that a RB is the key to success of this team. where the reality is that it was not. many things factored into it.

and I go back to the question I asked before. you dismissed that a4th or 5th rated DT doesn't provide any value. which is far from the truth. you never answered what's the difference between the1st rated and 4th rated RB? and you never answered why so many mid round running backs have found success, yet first rounders have not?

you only accused that I advocate taking a strength and making it a weakness. where what I said is that we can get a good RB in the mid rounds, vs. a Defensive player from the mid rounds.

I can accurately address your concerns one by one. The defense improved because they wasn't I the field due to the time of possession that controlled by the running game. The stats backs that up. They was also fresh when they was on the field because they wasn't having to play so many snaps. A fresh defense will look better even if the talent is not great. Second point, I sm not a Murray fan. An elite RB could have gained several hundred more yards in combination with this line. Yes , a great running game consist of a great RB and a great line.ni can't beleve that you don't know that the higher rated RBs are rated higher due to talent. If not, they all would be rated in the third round. I hope you are aware they rate players due to talent and ability. The 4th rated RB is simply not as talented and has more holes in his game. C'mon man your agenda is effecting common sense. There are plenty of first round RBs that have turned out to be worth the pick. Me,Smith ting a bell. You are forgetting all the RBs that are mid-round picks that never play a down, but you never hear about them. You hear about the exceptions that make solid players. Getting an elite talent at any position is better than sorting through positions to draft the best talent left to draft. That is reaching to fill a need. You are acting like no moves have been made to improve the defense. Hardy comes to mind. He don't make you feel better? What are you so set on passing up the better talent at RB just do you can reach for a lower rated player ? It is a reach and that is how busts happen. Drafting the 4th or 5th best defensive player and passing up better talent that will have a bigger impact. The other picks can be used on defensive players that are lower rated and are 2nd and 3rd rated players anyway. The biggest point you are missing is that the team is now a running team. That increases the value of the RB in this offense.
 
We had the best running game in the league last year and didn't make it to the nfc championship game or super bowl. Ask Aaron Rodgers why and he will laugh at you because the reason is obvious. Not saying we don't need a good RB we just don't HAVE to take one at 27.

Yeah, let's get an average RB and lose the very reason that they made the playoffs. Looking at last history, defensive players are not going to step in and start their first year anyway, so how is that gonna help. It takes an elite DL to make it as a rookie starter and that is rare. You think that the Cosboys rushing game is so good that they can use less talent at the RB position and play the same. it doesn't work that way . Why weaken the running game? It makes no sense. It is the strength of the team.
 
If a rb is the best player available, by far, when we pick we need to take the rb.

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I can accurately address your concerns one by one.

The defense improved because they wasn't I the field due to the time of possession that controlled by the running game. The stats backs that up. They was also fresh when they was on the field because they wasn't having to play so many snaps. A fresh defense will look better even if the talent is not great.
that is wrong on so many levels. what you just tried to pass off as logic makes no sense. you just said it takes no talent on defense except being fresh. so I guess having McClain, McClain, Mincy, Crawford, spencer had no effect on it. it was all freshness. it takes talent to win. what you just described is an oxymoron. you argue that it takes a talented RB to be a good rushing team. yet only freshness makes a defense better talent be damned. I will let this one go and lets call it a momentary brain fart....

Second point, I sm not a Murray fan. An elite RB could have gained several hundred more yards in combination with this line. Yes , a great running game consist of a great RB and a great line.ni can't beleve that you don't know that the higher rated RBs are rated higher due to talent. If not, they all would be rated in the third round. I hope you are aware they rate players due to talent and ability. The 4th rated RB is simply not as talented and has more holes in his game.
now you just make things up. when I mentioned on multiple responses regarding a higher rated DT or RB vs. lower rated one!!! seriously dude. how old are you?

and your primary point in all of this argument is that a higher rated RB is better than a 4th rated one...yet Murray was the best of his class and he was the fifth rated one. drafted in the 3rd round. Alfred Morris was a 6th round pick. Richardson was the 4th pick of the draft and supposedly a can't miss prospect with so much talent as you are trying to argue. Mark Ingram was suppose to be the second coming of Emmitt. McFadden was the 5th pick and half the cowboys nation wanted to trade up to get him because he was going to take us to the promise land. Isiah Pead was the 3rd rated RB behind Richardson, and Alfred Morris was the 15th rated RB in both of the above.

RBs are easiest position to fill in the NFL. and stats and history proves that higher rated Defensive players do better and impact more in the NFL than lower rated ones (are there lower rated Defensive players that have been impactful? yes, so don't even try).

you do understand what I just described? you do understand these ratings are just opinions and are not scientific? just want to make sure!!!!!

C'mon man your agenda is effecting common sense. There are plenty of first round RBs that have turned out to be worth the pick. Me,Smith ting a bell. You are forgetting all the RBs that are mid-round picks that never play a down, but you never hear about them. You hear about the exceptions that make solid players. Getting an elite talent at any position is better than sorting through positions to draft the best talent left to draft. That is reaching to fill a need. You are acting like no moves have been made to improve the defense. Hardy comes to mind. He don't make you feel better? What are you so set on passing up the better talent at RB just do you can reach for a lower rated player ? It is a reach and that is how busts happen. Drafting the 4th or 5th best defensive player and passing up better talent that will have a bigger impact. The other picks can be used on defensive players that are lower rated and are 2nd and 3rd rated players anyway. The biggest point you are missing is that the team is now a running team. That increases the value of the RB in this offense.

and yes, lots of RBs are worth the first round pick and produced. lots didn't. but even as you like to do and have been so adamant...lets assume the ratings are bible. absolute truth. nothing but science to its core. I still think the 4th or 5th rated DT or CB + the 4th or 5th rated RB will make us more successful than the 2nd rated RB and the 20th rated DT or CB.....make the defense better....they get off the field. give the ball back to offense more often. and we still control the clock!!! see how it works!!!

and that's the whole premise of this argument. you are taking the opposite view. you have an opinion. you have not produced one iota of evidence to back it up.

you want to push your opinion as fact, trying to back it up with a bunch of player rating that are noting but opinions and base your argument on that!!! RB is the easiest position to fill in the NFL.

and we are rushing team? not because of the RB, its because of the OL and commitment to run. but that's ok. ignore those FACTS because it doesn't suit your argument.

and since you like stats, go look thorough all the superbowl winners and tell me if defense doesn't matter.

which brings us back full circle. you think a top rated RB will make this team's rushing game better. I have addressed that several times. YES IT DOES. but if we don't address the defense, its playoff and done. can't smell the superbowl. you don't address the defense and playoffs is all you can hang your hat on. all the past 10 years superbowl winners back up that stat.....if that makes you happy then great.

and one more thing, I am not saying that I want to weaken the running game. I never said that. I just don't think we should spend our first pick on a RB. I never said don't draft one.

so stop spinning. and lets just agree to disagree. all both of us really have are opinions. you are young. you will learn a lot over your years and how football really works. fantasy football has skewed many a young ones to think about stats as the ultimate reason to superbowl success.
 
Yeah, let's get an average RB and lose the very reason that they made the playoffs. Looking at last history, defensive players are not going to step in and start their first year anyway, so how is that gonna help. It takes an elite DL to make it as a rookie starter and that is rare. You think that the Cosboys rushing game is so good that they can use less talent at the RB position and play the same. it doesn't work that way . Why weaken the running game? It makes no sense. It is the strength of the team.

see, this is how you spin things. who says lets get an average RB? is the 4th rated RB average in your opinion? this is supposed to be a deep RB draft......and looking at history, defensive players do step in ad start in their first year? Shazier, Aaron Donald, Mosley, Calvin Pryor, Ha Ha Dixon (remember him?), Dennard, Buccanon, Ward, Roby all either started and/or logged signinficant reps for their teams and contributed. all drafted in the first round. that's just 2014. so that's a total fallacy that's being put forth by you. and you keep saying weaken the running game. why do you make that assumption?
 
that is wrong on so many levels. what you just tried to pass off as logic makes no sense. you just said it takes no talent on defense except being fresh. so I guess having McClain, McClain, Mincy, Crawford, spencer had no effect on it. it was all freshness. it takes talent to win. what you just described is an oxymoron. you argue that it takes a talented RB to be a good rushing team. yet only freshness makes a defense better talent be damned. I will let this one go and lets call it a momentary brain fart....


now you just make things up. when I mentioned on multiple responses regarding a higher rated DT or RB vs. lower rated one!!! seriously dude. how old are you?

and your primary point in all of this argument is that a higher rated RB is better than a 4th rated one...yet Murray was the best of his class and he was the fifth rated one. drafted in the 3rd round. Alfred Morris was a 6th round pick. Richardson was the 4th pick of the draft and supposedly a can't miss prospect with so much talent as you are trying to argue. Mark Ingram was suppose to be the second coming of Emmitt. McFadden was the 5th pick and half the cowboys nation wanted to trade up to get him because he was going to take us to the promise land. Isiah Pead was the 3rd rated RB behind Richardson, and Alfred Morris was the 15th rated RB in both of the above.

RBs are easiest position to fill in the NFL. and stats and history proves that higher rated Defensive players do better and impact more in the NFL than lower rated ones (are there lower rated Defensive players that have been impactful? yes, so don't even try).

you do understand what I just described? you do understand these ratings are just opinions and are not scientific? just want to make sure!!!!!



and yes, lots of RBs are worth the first round pick and produced. lots didn't. but even as you like to do and have been so adamant...lets assume the ratings are bible. absolute truth. nothing but science to its core. I still think the 4th or 5th rated DT or CB + the 4th or 5th rated RB will make us more successful than the 2nd rated RB and the 20th rated DT or CB.....make the defense better....they get off the field. give the ball back to offense more often. and we still control the clock!!! see how it works!!!

and that's the whole premise of this argument. you are taking the opposite view. you have an opinion. you have not produced one iota of evidence to back it up.

you want to push your opinion as fact, trying to back it up with a bunch of player rating that are noting but opinions and base your argument on that!!! RB is the easiest position to fill in the NFL.

and we are rushing team? not because of the RB, its because of the OL and commitment to run. but that's ok. ignore those FACTS because it doesn't suit your argument.

and since you like stats, go look thorough all the superbowl winners and tell me if defense doesn't matter.

which brings us back full circle. you think a top rated RB will make this team's rushing game better. I have addressed that several times. YES IT DOES. but if we don't address the defense, its playoff and done. can't smell the superbowl. you don't address the defense and playoffs is all you can hang your hat on. all the past 10 years superbowl winners back up that stat.....if that makes you happy then great.

and one more thing, I am not saying that I want to weaken the running game. I never said that. I just don't think we should spend our first pick on a RB. I never said don't draft one.

so stop spinning. and lets just agree to disagree. all both of us really have are opinions. you are young. you will learn a lot over your years and how football really works. fantasy football has skewed many a young ones to think about stats as the ultimate reason to superbowl success.

I am not going to argue the point any more. I didn't waste time reading this post. The running game produced a great season, but you are willing to let it get weak to draft lower rated defensive players. That is all I have gathered from your post over the last couple of days.
 
see, this is how you spin things. who says lets get an average RB? is the 4th rated RB average in your opinion? this is supposed to be a deep RB draft......and looking at history, defensive players do step in ad start in their first year? Shazier, Aaron Donald, Mosley, Calvin Pryor, Ha Ha Dixon (remember him?), Dennard, Buccanon, Ward, Roby all either started and/or logged signinficant reps for their teams and contributed. all drafted in the first round. that's just 2014. so that's a total fallacy that's being put forth by you. and you keep saying weaken the running game. why do you make that assumption?

I make that assumption because you are willing to draft lower talent at the RB position. I hope you know that elite talent is better than the 4th or 5th Arab on the board. You pretend that there is no difference. By the way, the average defense of Super Bowl winners since 2003 is 11.8. That is a far cry from having to have a top five defense to win a Super Bowl. I know stats are not going to change your mind, but s top defense is not necessary when s good offense is in place. Dallas has that offense.
 
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