Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[joseephuss]

He is just telling MINN to "put up or shut up". They keep saying they are bringing him back, but the easiest way to prove it is to guarantee him some money. They clearly haven't done that. To me it says they don't want to keep paying Peterson, but they don't want to give him what he wants either.

Someone will have to blink first. But I do know that Peterson called JJones and told him he would love to play in DAL.

He told Jones he would like to play for Dallas someday. That didn't mean in 2015. Most everything Peterson has done shows he is all about the money. If he does want to play in Dallas in 2015 he will want them to pay and guarantee him a whole lot more than you are proposing. And why wouldn't he? He has lots of fans saying he is still the best back in the game.

 

[Nightman]

He told Jones he would like to play for Dallas someday. That didn't mean in 2015. Most everything Peterson has done shows he is all about the money. If he does want to play in Dallas in 2015 he will want them to pay and guarantee him a whole lot more than you are proposing. And why wouldn't he? He has lots of fans saying he is still the best back in the game.

This is where we agree to disagree

I don't think he ever plays for MINN again

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It is not better at all. But it is with a team he wants to play for.

I don't deny that Adrian wants to play here, but let's not fail to see he wants to play for team Adrian more than us, which is who ever gives him the most $$$

If MINN wants to keep him then Peterson wants to maximize his guaranteed money for the next couple years.

The deal you proposed is so much less, that he wouldn't even consider it

But his first choice is to make a bit less and play for DAL. And the guaranteed money is still the same.

Why does everyone believe he is willing to take a pay cut to play here? What has he said to indicate that? Yes, he said he would rework his contract to facilitate a trade, but news flash, he wants to rework his contract to stay in Minnesota. And reworking does not equal making less.

 

[Nightman]

I don't deny that Adrian wants to play here, but let's not fail to see he wants to play for team Adrian more than us, which is who ever gives him the most $$$



The deal you proposed is so much less, that he wouldn't even consider it



Why does everyone believe he is willing to take a pay cut to play here? What has he said to indicate that? Yes, he said he would rework his contract to facilitate a trade, but news flash, he wants to rework his contract to stay in Minnesota. And reworking does not equal making less.

He is not getting 13m from anyone but MINN and that doesn't look likely.

He doesn't want to play for MINN anymore.

He said he wants to play for DAL. DAL will only pay so much.

Veterans often take less money to go to better teams, especially if it means going "home".

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He is not getting 13m from anyone but MINN and that doesn't look likely.

You're probably right in that no one else will pay him a 13 million dollar salary in 2015, but I disagree that it is unlikey.

He doesn't want to play for MINN anymore. He said he wants to play for DAL. DAL will only pay so much.

You may be right, but I think his desire to make as much as possible over rides

Veterans often take less money to go to better teams, especially if it means going "home".

I don't think Peterson is at that point in his career ad everything he has said, seems to contradict your belief. Now if he rushes for 1100 yards and the Vikes go 6-10, he likely will be released and could take less to come here, but right now, I think he would want more than what Murray and McCoy signed for.

 

[Nightman]

You're probably right in that no one else will pay him a 13 milliodinn dollar salary in 2015, but I disagree that it is unlikey.



You may be right, but I think his desire to make as much as possible over rides



I don't think Peterson is at that point in his career ad everything he has said, seems to contradict your belief. Now if he rushes for 1100 yards and the Vikes go 6-10, he likely will be released and could take less to come here, but right now, I think he would want more than what Murray and McCoy signed for.

Peterson is a dinosaur in the NFL. He is 30, coming off a suspension with one scoped knee.

He doesn't have years to throw away.

 

[Stash]

You're free to think as you wish, and so am I.

 

[Stash]

Why would Peterson want that when his current deal pays him $28 million over the next 2 years? I know that the $28 million is not guaranteed, but he either gets the $28 million or he gets cut and become a UFA (which is really what he wants all along).

Realistically speaking and using your scenario, his choice is between getting $13 million this year then being a UFA, or $16 million over the next 2 years (and still with 1 year left on his deal). Yeah, I gotta think he takes option A.

When Peterson says he wants "guaranteed money" he means something in the $30's, not $12 million. Otherwise the smart move is to just take this year's $13 then either be a UFA or take next year's $15.

I think it's great that you have all of this insider info about exactly what Peterson wants. When was the last time you've spoken directly to him?

 

[joseephuss]

I think it's great that you have all of this insider info about exactly what Peterson wants. When was the last time you've spoken directly to him?

You don't have any inside info on Peterson. Adrian's own statements indicate he isn't looking for a trade and wants guaranteed money on top of his very large current base salary. If Dallas wants him then they are going to have to pay him. There will be no discounts.

 

[Stash]

He is just telling MINN to "put up or shut up". They keep saying they are bringing him back, but the easiest way to prove it is to guarantee him some money. They clearly haven't done that. To me it says they don't want to keep paying Peterson, but they don't want to give him what he wants either.

Someone will have to blink first. But I do know that Peterson called JJones and told him he would love to play in DAL.

You're on the money here. Minnesota says 'we want Adrian back', but when he says 'prove it', they choose not to. Actions, not words.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Peterson is a dinosaur in the NFL. He is 30, coming off a suspension with one scoped knee.

He doesn't have years to throw away.

true or not, it doesn't mean that he sees himself that way

 

[Stash]

You don't have any inside info on Peterson. Adrian's own statements indicate he isn't looking for a trade and wants guaranteed money on top of his very large current base salary. If Dallas wants him then they are going to have to pay him. There will be no discounts.

If what you're assuming as fact turns out to be fact? Then I'm with you. I'm not interested.

But as I don't consider your assumption to be fact, I think this is Peterson's latest challenge to the Vikings. You say you want me? Prove it. Support your claims that you want him back by giving him financial security and assurances that you don't intend to dump him. Not more money. Not new money. Just a change in when he gets the money that the Vikings contend that they will pay him.

He still wants out, but if he can't get out, he wants to make sure the Vikings honor the same deal they keep stating that they expect him to honor and for them to not be hypocrites.

 

[joseephuss]

You're on the money here. Minnesota says 'we want Adrian back', but when he says 'prove it', they choose not to. Actions, not words.

Their action is they will pay him $12 million this season. That is a lot of cash that means more than words.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Minnesota says 'we want Adrian back', but when he says 'prove it', they choose not to.

And they did the right thing.

 

[Stash]

Their action is they will pay him $12 million this season. That is a lot of cash that means more than words.

They have to. They have no choice! There's no 'action' involved on their part.

It costs Minnesota more to have Adrian Peterson than it would for any other team in the NFL. If he were released, no team in the NFL would assume a cap hit of $13 million for 2015.

 

[Stash]

And they did the right thing.

In your opinion. If and when they cut him and don't honor the same contract they're demanding he honor, will that be "the right thing" as well?

 

[Stash]

And they did the right thing.

So, under your 'rules', the Cowboys did 'the wrong thing' when they gave Scandrick more money?

 

[Doomsday101]

So it's also 'unprofessional' when teams cut players with years remaining on their deals? Or is there some different set of rules?

Teams take risk as well especially on the type of deal that Peterson got, if the player underperforms the team pays, if the player is hurt the team pays. Most felt Minn was crazy to pay out that type of contract on a RB but they did and have honored it. I would be much more sympathetic if AP was under paid compared to other RB around the NFL but fact is he is still the highest paid RB in the NFL by a good margin. This is not a case of a team underpaying it's star player.

 

[Stash]

Teams take risk as well especially on the type of deal that Peterson got, if the player underperforms the team pays, if the player is hurt the team pays.

Isn't that more than a bit over oversimplification? It's not like teams always fully honor deals. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of these contracts are altered in some form or fashion and few seldom stay the same for the full term.

Most felt Minn was crazy to pay out that type of contract on a RB but they did and have honored it. I would be much more sympathetic if AP was under paid compared to other RB around the NFL but fact is he is still the highest paid RB in the NFL by a good margin. This is not a case of a team underpaying it's star player.

I agree, he's way overpaid on this deal. And, to date, they have honored it. But do you expect them to honor the remaining three years? I don't, and neither does Peterson himself obviously.

And again, this isn't about more money as has been repeatedly mentioned to you, it's about guaranteeing what he's currently owed on the deal they are forcing him to honor.

I see him calling them out on the hypocrisy of stating that he must honor the contract when he doesn't expect them to honor it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Isn't that more than a bit over oversimplification? It's not like teams always fully honor deals. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of these contracts are altered in some form or fashion and few seldom stay the same for the full term.



I agree, he's way overpaid on this deal. And, to date, they have honored it. But do you expect them to honor the remaining three years? I don't, and neither does Peterson himself obviously.

And again, this isn't about more money as has been repeatedly mentioned to you, it's about guaranteeing what he's currently owed on the deal they are forcing him to honor.

I see him calling them out on the hypocrisy of stating that he must honor the contract when he doesn't expect them to honor it.

Sorry but we will not see eye to eye on this. Yes Minn honored their end of the deal and the deal was 6 years not 3 so after 3 years the old deal is not worthless and he must now get paid again? Yes the benefit to the vikes by doing the deal as they did paying him upfront money helped them in terms of being able to get out from other the contract at a later date as opposed to back loading the deal but in the end AP got his 36 mill he got his 12 mill signing bonus. He has been paid and if he continues to produce he will continue to get paid. For this season he will get 15.4 mill and Minn has already stated they want him there, once the season starts they are on the hook for 15.4 mill no matter what.

AP has the right to say and demand what he wants but Minn has the right to say NO and fully expect him to honor the deal.