Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[superonyx]

Teams take risk as well when they sign these players to big long term contracts with guaranteed money, if the player retires or injured the team is still on the hook for a lot of money even though the player got his. Ratliff got his money then all of a sudden he is not playing, he wants out and Dallas lost the money that was guaranteed. So don't act as if the players are the only ones take any risk.
He is a 30 year old RB Minn guaranteeing him a good portion of the remaining 47 mill would be beyond stupid.
Minn in my view paid him a king’s ransom and a lot of guaranteed money they did their part

Minnesota got what they paid for. He generated more than they have given him. If a player retires they have to return a portion of the signing bonus in many cases.
They are in a no win situation really.
Can you really see a scenario where they keep him this year and not give in at all? I cant.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agreed...and he has every right to ask them to restructure the contract or force them to trade or cut him.
They are playing a risky game that they cant win. They are underestimating his resolve to make something happen.

This guy may be serious enough to get a case of constant cramps or severe fumbleitis on them.

They have their rights.....but that doesn't mean they are making the right choice.

Yes they can win, he can play or retire and Zimmer has already told him that. If he plays he will get 15 mill this season if he retires he gets nothing. I do agree a player has the right to ask anything they choose of the team and the team has every right to deny it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Minnesota got what they paid for. He generated more than they have given him. If a player retires they have to return a portion of the signing bonus in many cases.
They are in a no win situation really.
Can you really see a scenario where they keep him this year and not give in at all? I cant.

I think a lot will depend on how he performs none the less it would make no sense at all for the team to guarantee a large portion of 47 mill on a 30 year old player. I get why Peterson wants it I also get why a team would be foolish to put their organization on the hook for it.

You seem to see it from a players perspective and that is all well and good but the organization in my view risked big money on him. Did they get any money back when he was injured? did they fail to pay him in full for the season? NO in 2013 when he rushed for 1,266 yards did Minn demand they get some money back he was paid 13 mill for that season. No it is the risk they took.

 

[Rogah]

Agreed...and he has every right to ask them to restructure the contract or force them to trade or cut him.

Uh, no he doesn't have "every right" to do that. There is nothing in the contract (that he signed in good faith) that says if he is unhappy, the Vikings must cut or trade him so he has no right whatsoever to force them to do that.

This guy may be serious enough to get a case of constant cramps or severe fumbleitis on them.

If he decides the wisest course of action is to have a 650 yard season with 9 fumbles, then good luck to him getting the big contract he obviously wants.

 

[superonyx]

Uh, no he doesn't have "every right" to do that. There is nothing in the contract (that he signed in good faith) that says if he is unhappy, the Vikings must cut or trade him so he has no right whatsoever to force them to do that.

If he decides the wisest course of action is to have a 650 yard season with 9 fumbles, then good luck to him getting the big contract he obviously wants.

It doesn't have to be written in a contract for him to have the right to ask for a restructure. doesn't mean they have to grant his request. However they have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of denying his request.

I'm not saying he will play terrible this year if forced to play for the Vikings. However, the possibility exist and the Vikings are foolish to even be in this situation. They may not like that this is how it is going down but they can't win no matter what. If Peterson was doing this to the Cowboys I would want him gone asap. Cancer spreads. The Vikings messed up by asking too much for him before the draft. Now they have a bomb to diffuse or deal with the explosion.

If I were Minnesota I would have already traded him away. They don't plan to pay him 15 million next year anyway. If they were then they would guarantee it. They thought they could use him to help them get to the playoffs this year to get the fan base all excited again and sell more luxury boxes. They miscalculated his resolve and confidence. They knew when they gave him this contract that this could happen and they would be stuck dealing with a superstar without much trade value due to that contract.

 

[superonyx]

Yes they can win, he can play or retire and Zimmer has already told him that. If he plays he will get 15 mill this season if he retires he gets nothing. I do agree a player has the right to ask anything they choose of the team and the team has every right to deny it.

Him playing isn't exactly winning if he is playing half hearted. Him retiring isn't them winning either since they could have gotten something in a trade for him. Of course now his trade value is dropping also.

If he was a Cowboys and he was doing this what would you want Jerry to do? You wouldn't want to see a player stuck playing for us when he doesn't want to play here.....Kyle Orton, jay Ratliff....

Right or wrong doesn't n't matter....the situation is what it is and the Vikings are best served by moving him out and moving past this uglyness.

 

[YosemiteSam]

At this point, if I were him. I would just retire and limit how much more brutality his body has to take. He has made enough money to last him the rest of his life if he has and continues to manage it properly.

 

[Stash]

Agreed...and he has every right to ask them to restructure the contract or force them to trade or cut him.
They are playing a risky game that they cant win. They are underestimating his resolve to make something happen.

This guy may be serious enough to get a case of constant cramps or severe fumbleitis on them.

They have their rights.....but that doesn't mean they are making the right choice.

Exactly right. The Vikings have the 'right' to handle this thing any way they choose to.

And Peterson has the right not to like it, and to voice his opinion on the subject. Now, in public, and once he gets to the Vikings locker room.

If the Vikings think this is a good idea and a good thing, I don't agree with them.

 

[Stash]

Uh, no he doesn't have "every right" to do that. There is nothing in the contract (that he signed in good faith) that says if he is unhappy, the Vikings must cut or trade him so he has no right whatsoever to force them to do that.

If he decides the wisest course of action is to have a 650 yard season with 9 fumbles, then good luck to him getting the big contract he obviously wants.

But he'll get that $13 million guaranteed from the Vikings this year...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At this point, if I were him. I would just retire and limit how much more brutality his body has to take. He has made enough money to last him the rest of his life if he has and continues to manage it properly.

He has a chance to be among the best ever. I think that's important to him. I am not sure retirement is even something he seriously thinks about. What is driving him, I suspect, is something entirely different.

BTW.....

Sweet Avi!

 

[Rogah]

It doesn't have to be written in a contract for him to have the right to ask for a restructure. doesn't mean they have to grant his request. However they have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of denying his request.

Sure, of course he can ask for a restructure, but that isn't what you wrote. You wrote "he has every right to ask them to restructure the contract or force them to trade or cut him." That's where we disagree.

He took all his up front money. He has no right to complain that the team who gave him about $50 million are requiring him to fulfill his end of the bargain.

 

[joseephuss]

It's not about how you or I feel, it's what he feels. He felt abandoned by the Vikings.

But they still have to pay him a crazy sum if he merely shows up. A very low threshold to cross.

And then they are in the exact same situation next year except they owe him 15m.

They should be down on their knees thanking god that he wants out of that deal.

A convicted child abuser that is due 45m over the next 3 years wants out of his deal and you want to make stay for why????

Why? He doesn't truly want out of the deal. He wants all of that same money, but with a large amount of it guaranteed. Heck, he may even want more money. With several kids and several baby mommas he needs more money.

 

[Nightman]

Why? He doesn't truly want out of the deal. He wants all of that same money, but with a large amount of it guaranteed. Heck, he may even want more money. With several kids and several baby mommas he needs more money.

I don't think MINN really wants him back. It is hard to let a HoF caliber back walk for nothing, but they tried to trade him and got no calls.

He has given them the perfect opportunity to walk away and the fans that do want him will understand.

I believe he really wants to play for Dallas and Dallas only. Look at our OL for chrissakes. He would have to take a lot less to come to Dallas, but he has made over 40m the last 4 years. A lot of vets take less money to play for a championship caliber team as they get older.

 

[superonyx]

Sure, of course he can ask for a restructure, but that isn't what you wrote. You wrote "he has every right to ask them to restructure the contract or force them to trade or cut him." That's where we disagree.

He took all his up front money. He has no right to complain that the team who gave him about $50 million are requiring him to fulfill his end of the bargain.

He does have a right to complain that the team will not give him the opportunity to fulfill his end of the bargain. Or the team will not commit to fulfilling their end of the bargain.

 

[Rogah]

He does have a right to complain that the team will not give him the opportunity to fulfill his end of the bargain. Or the team will not commit to fulfilling their end of the bargain.

The team has 100% fulfilled their end of the bargain.

If you make a deal where you are given an escape clause, and you exercise that escape clause, then you have still fulfilled your end of the deal. Similarly, if you choose not to exercise that escape clause, you have still fulfilled your end of the deal.

What part of the bargain is it that you think Minnesota has not fulfilled?

 

[superonyx]

The team has 100% fulfilled their end of the bargain.

If you make a deal where you are given an escape clause, and you exercise that escape clause, then you have still fulfilled your end of the deal. Similarly, if you choose not to exercise that escape clause, you have still fulfilled your end of the deal.

What part of the bargain is it that you think Minnesota has not fulfilled?

To this point they have both fulfilled their ends of the deal. However Minnesota plans to weasel out of the deal before it is up. Otherwise they would guarantee the deal. I'm sure you will say they don't have to fulfill their end since the union failed to force this into the agreements. It's not really even worth the debate since you are only wanting to speak about the legal requirement of the agreement. This only tells a part of the picture though...just ask Jerry Jones and Orlando Scandrick.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly right. The Vikings have the 'right' to handle this thing any way they choose to.

And Peterson has the right not to like it, and to voice his opinion on the subject. Now, in public, and once he gets to the Vikings locker room.

If the Vikings think this is a good idea and a good thing, I don't agree with them.

Then he is not much of a professional. Vike have done him right they paid through the nose for him, his deal was in 2011 and is still the highest paid RB in the NFL by a good margin. He needs to grow up and do his damn job.

 

[Doomsday101]

To this point they have both fulfilled their ends of the deal. However Minnesota plans to weasel out of the deal before it is up. Otherwise they would guarantee the deal. I'm sure you will say they don't have to fulfill their end since the union failed to force this into the agreements. It's not really even worth the debate since you are only wanting to speak about the legal requirement of the agreement. This only tells a part of the picture though...just ask Jerry Jones and Orlando Scandrick.

How is Minn weaseling out? They guaranteed his money already and now they are to guarantee more? BS Only weasel is AD, he got his money and now wants more upfront? Minn would be stupid to do that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How is Minn weaseling out? They guaranteed his money already and now they are to guarantee more? BS Only weasel is AD, he got his money and now wants more upfront? Minn would be stupid to do that.

Any team would be nuts to give the guy a ton of money up front and expect him to come back for a second season where there was an unguaranteed salary.

 

[Stash]

Then he is not much of a professional. Vike have done him right they paid through the nose for him, his deal was in 2011 and is still the highest paid RB in the NFL by a good margin. He needs to grow up and do his damn job.

So it's also 'unprofessional' when teams cut players with years remaining on their deals? Or is there some different set of rules?