News: Bob Sturm: Why I was so wrong about Cowboys coach Jason Garrett

[DFWJC]

And we missed the playoffs because we couldn't move the ball against the prototypical defensive play that owned us year after year and a RG3 who couldn't run....

2012 was a choke job and the defense was no excuse.

I disagree.
I'd say that defense was putrid and sure had something to do with it.
But that's what a forum is for.

But hey Catch, maybe this year you'll get your dream from last year and we'll get Manziel to replace Romo .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Right........and what his famous line in regards to offense? His master game plan every week?

"Were just going to take what the defense gives us" Do recall Dez being taken out of whole games or complete halves of games?

The defensive coordinator could simply dictate to Garrett where he wanted him to go. Load up the box, you know they will throw. Double Dez and you know its not going to him. He would refuse to move Dez around or anything of the sort. Consistently coming out at half time with ZERO adjustments.

We be down by 10 points nearly every game in the first quarter. One of the lowest scoring teams in the first quarter, always coming out flat on the first drive. He wouldnt even use the hurry up offense until the end of the game or the half, even though it was obvious Romo liked it the most and the offense moved the ball well with it.

In that 2nd round game against the Giants when Wade was the head coach, Barber was tearing it up on the ground in the first half. They couldnt stop him. And not ONCE did clown boy take advantage if the defense creeping up and throw some play action bombs. We dominated the half, but with little to show for it.

do you know how many coaches say that? we will take what the defense gives us.

and the hurry up offense works in the back end of the games mostly because teams that are behind are trying to catch up and teams that are ahead will give up yards in the middle of the field to kill the clock....simple concept really, but try hurry up offense in the first quarter and the results are quite different.

simple football concepts you need to learn son....

 

[CowboyRoy]

ok, then why the focus on running running running s he root cause of everything and the single thing that made garrett failure?. if you need all 4 to win?

also, as the original poster said. you are focusing on one missed draft pick. there are plenty he hit on. but the anti garrett crowd wants to associate every ad choice or play or game on garrett. but every good one to somebody else. lets not forget coach putz drafted mike jenkings and Jason Williams. yet some how that's garrett's fault.

if you also look at draft records of coach billicheat and all other great coaches. they have plenty of misses but generally hit on more good ones than not. if you expect a 100% hit on every first round pick. you will never find a coach in the league who is going to meet that criteria.

and to the original posters point, is you have a process. hired the people to do evaluations (did somebody mention mcclay like 9000 times), yet you decide to move away from your draft? why?

Because that was his biggest failure. With Parcells it was his affinity to be satisfied with "a bus driver" at QB. With Wade, it was his laid back coaching style that eventually seeped into the team. With Garrett, its almost too many things to list, but he was simply way in over his head as a OC and then certainly as an OC/coach. Garrett isnt creative enough. Doesnt have the IT factor. He is a very good student. Of watching what others do and taking a little bit from everyone. But as far as application and creative game planning and in game management, he is aweful. Simply doesnt have it.

And no doubt this is EXACTLY what Jerry finally figured out. So he made the adjustment. He HAD to keep Garrett for his ego. And Garrett has some great leadership and likeability qualities. So keep him ONLY where he can be a benefit to the team. And thats away from personnel, away from game day management, away from the offense, and away from teaching. Get REAL football minds to do that. Strong Coordinator to run the day to day football stuff and on game day.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah, that is a big problem I have with the offense.

We don't have many plays in our passing attack that just simply get the ball in our best players hands.

If a defense wants to take out Dez we'll accept that and just pitch it to Witten over and over.

Meanwhile the best YAC receiver in the NFL is running 25 yards downfield every play and waiting for those 1 or 2 plays a game that are big gainers and pad the stats.





As far as him running the ball.. Anytime we were down in a game that was the end of our run game.

That is why Murray had a stupid stat like we were 14-0 or something crazy everytime he got 20 touches.

We just threw it out the window unless we had a lead.


Garrett can keep a team focused and moving forward and that is a hard thing to do in Dallas but if they ever lose focus and lose the mentality of taking it 1 play at a time then he becomes absolutely worthless.

I have two words.

Just WOW.

not sure I can stoop to this level of intelligence and simplicity.....

 

[CATCH17]

I disagree.
I'd say if you have 32 NFL teams and your defense is ranked 32nd....that just might have something to do with it.
But that's what a forum is for.

But hey Catch, maybe this year you'll get your dream from last year and we'll get Manziel to replace Romo .

If Garrett was coaching the offense last year id bet we'd be towards the bottom of the league in rushing and the defense would've been towards the bottom if not 32nd again. Per usual.

2012 was a choke job and a prime example of a coach that doesn't know how to manage a game with the talent he has.

T

 

[CowboyRoy]

how do you get a dominant running game? by just running 2 yards at a time? how much success did cowboys have with a crappy defense? but Tom brady won without a dominant defense!!!

LOL.....again Tom Brady. So that's all you got eh? Making points around Tom Brady? You got nothing.

Time to wake up from your dream. Sorry, but we dont have Tom Brady. When you finally figure that out............come on back to the conversation.

But...................how many more superbowls would Tom Brady have won with a dominant run game?

 

[CowboyRoy]

how do you get a dominant running game? by just running 2 yards at a time? how much success did cowboys have with a crappy defense? but Tom brady won without a dominant defense!!!

In order to have a dominant run game there are many factors. But the #1 most important thing you need is commitment. Philosophically, implementing, play calling, attitude. The ONLY think Garrett did was talk about it. Linehan made it happen.

 

[CATCH17]

I have two words.

Just WOW.

not sure I can stoop to this level of intelligence and simplicity.....

This post is as worthless as Jason Garretts advice on how to run the ball more.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He gives input, yes. As do all the position coaches.

Garrett was probably fine with not being OC, how many successful coaches are coordinators as well? I can't think of one. I guess that means Belichek just doesn't know how to call plays.

JG played under Kiffen. Marinelli came with Kiffen, and Kiffen is on record saying he held JG in high regard. You can look it up, it came out of his mouth. Who interviewed him? Jason Garrett.

The difference in record is pretty obvious. Yes the running game helped, but look at the games decided by 7 or less points in 2013. Our defense going from statistically worst in franchise history to "below average", was the big reason why we finished 12-4.

Both defensive improvement and Running game. But the defense doesnt rank high if its on the field more and not as fresh. When you control the clock and control the # of plays an opposing offense has during a game, you are doing the job for your defense. 15 less plays a game is a hug number.

But the point is moot anyway. Does Garrett run the defense?

Ok, so the Run game and Defense were the two biggest reasons for the change. And other then saying for the 5th year in a row that we want to run the ball more, what did Garrett do?

-Pick Linehan?
-Tell him to run the ball?

Ok, thats about it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The defense tanked and the offense become one dimensional, predictable, and desperate under Garrett. He was abandoning the run at a record pace.

Of course it matters about Garrett being an OC or running the offense. Do you think for ONE second that if Garrett was doing a great job running the offense and the team, there would have been a change?

Ok, so Garrett gives him permission to run the ball. So what? Linehan is doing what Garrett couldnt. What he was too inept to do.

So I tell one of my employees to go make me a million dollars. I couldnt do it, but I hope that you can. So he goes and does it. So who gets the credit?

Any fool can tell someone to do something. Its the people that get it done and make it happen that are the difference makers. Garrett is NOT a difference maker.

garrett as an OC produced 3 top 10 offenses in 6 years.... and I have provided you sh!t load of stats on teams that run the ball and accomplish nothing to which you responded every team is different. yet here you are again. pounding on running the ball as the single reason for anything.

there is also plenty of articles that linehan has been quoted as saying garrett told him he wants to run the ball like the 90's. Linehan is the same coach who set a pass attempt record in Detroit.

and if you hired the right employee (as if you could be the ceo of anything). and give him the tools he needs to go earn a million dollars. then you get the credit. the employee just did his job. its called sales. and if the sales targets are realistic, then that employee should be able to meet your target. it happens all the time in the business world. not sure what it is that you do.

 

[CATCH17]

LOL.....again Tom Brady. So that's all you got eh? Making points around Tom Brady? You got nothing.

Time to wake up from your dream. Sorry, but we dont have Tom Brady. When you finally figure that out............come on back to the conversation.

But...................how many more superbowls would Tom Brady have won with a dominant run game?

IMO, the Patriots do effectively run the football.


Also, the Patriots offense is very dynamic.


Our offense was slow and lethargic even when we were passing it 40+ times a game.

We have to let the defense line up and get comfortable so they can tell us where the ball needs to go.

 

[CowboyRoy]

its a shared responsibility between the three. the coach sets the vision for the type of team, players and schemes he wants and its responsibility of the GM for acquisition and responsibility of scouting to evaluate.

garrett was directly involved in hiring OC. and DC. fact.

LOL..........directly involved? Ok, so what. He is the head coach. Why wouldnt he be?

So what is Garretts vision? That he wants to win football games?

Give me a break.

Garrett is a puppet that has a say like anyone else. But in no way does he pick the players or anything close to it. Acquisition of talent is absolutely not his job.

So are you going to tell me that Garrett has as much say as either Joneses or Will Clay when it comes to picking someone in the draft? You must be kidding. What 3 wheeled spoke are you talking about exactly?

 

[CATCH17]

garrett as an OC produced 3 top 10 offenses in 6 years.... and I have provided you sh!t load of stats on teams that run the ball and accomplish nothing to which you responded every team is different. yet here you are again. pounding on running the ball as the single reason for anything.

there is also plenty of articles that linehan has been quoted as saying garrett told him he wants to run the ball like the 90's. Linehan is the same coach who set a pass attempt record in Detroit.

and if you hired the right employee (as if you could be the ceo of anything). and give him the tools he needs to go earn a million dollars. then you get the credit. the employee just did his job. its called sales. and if the sales targets are realistic, then that employee should be able to meet your target. it happens all the time in the business world. not sure what it is that you do.

That's why you can't look at stats and have to watch the damn game.

If those stats contained any substance at all he would still be the playcaller.

Throwing the ball 40 times a game, relying on Romo to make plays outside of the original playcall, and petering out against defenses that stack the box and press our WR's is not effective and only gets you so far.

 

[CowboyRoy]

do you recall garrett in the press conference, when they asked him the same thing and for the first time he called out his player, that being romo that he had the running plays to call and he changed the play on the line. do you recall that the next season they took that flexibility away from romo. that's a coach making adjustments in his organization.

I am sure garrett is the only coach in history of NFL having made mistakes on game day. no other coach has ever done that. yep you are right.

LOL......yah, it was about time. How many years were wasted on that? Two years of letting Romo do as he wishes? So whos fault was ait that Romo was checking out of run plays? Who tells Romo what to do? Why would you wait till next year to stop him from doing that? Why would you give him all that ability in the first place?

Its pretty simple actually. Jerry Jones told Garrett that Romo was going to be more involved in the play calling. Jerry forced him to do that. Another text book example of how Garrett simply doesnt have say here. He makes suggestions and does what he is told.

Now he is certainly better than Wade as far as convincing Jones.

 

[mattjames2010]

Because that was his biggest failure. With Parcells it was his affinity to be satisfied with "a bus driver" at QB. With Wade, it was his laid back coaching style that eventually seeped into the team. With Garrett, its almost too many things to list, but he was simply way in over his head as a OC and then certainly as an OC/coach. Garrett isnt creative enough. Doesnt have the IT factor. He is a very good student. Of watching what others do and taking a little bit from everyone. But as far as application and creative game planning and in game management, he is aweful. Simply doesnt have it.

And no doubt this is EXACTLY what Jerry finally figured out. So he made the adjustment. He HAD to keep Garrett for his ego. And Garrett has some great leadership and likeability qualities. So keep him ONLY where he can be a benefit to the team. And thats away from personnel, away from game day management, away from the offense, and away from teaching. Get REAL football minds to do that. Strong Coordinator to run the day to day football stuff and on game day.

Jerry had to keep Garrett because of his ego?

Or maybe he kept Garrett because he saw a process and realized there were other factors that kept us from being successful? And seeing as how since Garrett has become our HC, we have rebuilt the trenches, brought in a OC that wants to run the ball (Something Garrett has always wanted, do your research), and led us to a 12-4 season. And despite our lack of talent, Garrett kept us at 8-8 for 3 years with at least a shot at playoffs before making the jump when he rebuilding finished.

The "Jerry kept Garrett for his ego" is tabloid fodder. It should be kept out of this discussion unless you have proof of it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

linehan came in and took directions from garrett. there is plenty of articles on linehan saying that garrett told him he wants to run the ball like they did in the 90's. google it yourself.

and no matter how you cut it. garrett is the head coach. linehan works for him and is on his staff. and the coach made a staffing decision.

Garrett could not do what linehan did. Which was properly run an offense and implement the running game. Jerry and Garrett had to bring someone in to do Garretts job for him.

Where was the balanced well oiled offense when Garrett was in control? Are you implying that telling someone to run the ball, and actually calling the game and implementing the running game are one in the same? Dont you think that Jones was telling Garrett to run the ball? So why didnt he do it properly? He couldnt. He was incapable.

 

[CowboyRoy]

wait, in your other post you said scheme doesn't matter. now you are saying scheme matters?

Play action is a play call buddy, not a scheme. Every SCHEME has play action within it.

Try to keep up here.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Because that was his biggest failure. With Parcells it was his affinity to be satisfied with "a bus driver" at QB. With Wade, it was his laid back coaching style that eventually seeped into the team. With Garrett, its almost too many things to list, but he was simply way in over his head as a OC and then certainly as an OC/coach. Garrett isnt creative enough. Doesnt have the IT factor. He is a very good student. Of watching what others do and taking a little bit from everyone. But as far as application and creative game planning and in game management, he is aweful. Simply doesnt have it.

And no doubt this is EXACTLY what Jerry finally figured out. So he made the adjustment. He HAD to keep Garrett for his ego. And Garrett has some great leadership and likeability qualities. So keep him ONLY where he can be a benefit to the team. And thats away from personnel, away from game day management, away from the offense, and away from teaching. Get REAL football minds to do that. Strong Coordinator to run the day to day football stuff and on game day.

again his record as an OC stands on its own...as a head coach he has never had a losing season while rebuilding the team and adding talent and staying competitive. now, you and few like you who have dug in because they just don't want to admit think garrett doesn't have the IT factor, yet his coaching staff, joneses and the players buy in to it and that's the important piece that you missed. completely.

in regards to game planning, its all about the results. your opinion and its an opinion is that we should have had more play actions. well how do you produce #2 offense and #3 offense and 5 top 10 offense in the league? without enough play actions as you said.

and to you last point, Jerry didn't have to keep garrett. he had every reason to fire him. you are in the same sentence calling jerry a fool and smart. you call him smart for by passing garrett and doing something to make the team successful, yet he is dumb for not recognizing garrett doesn't have it and yet keeping him on. so is jones and idiot? or smart? if he is smart then why is he keeping garrett? if he is an idiot, then how could he come up with a smart move? it can't be both. and if garrett has likeable leadership qualities, then aren't those the traits you want in a head coach and his leadership has set the vision and staffing and direction for the team? or are you going to now pigeon hole where he has had say with his leadership. you can't pick and choose what fits your argument in every category that you have tried to discredit garrett.

he sucks as an OC, yet he has produced top 10 offenses regularly. he sucks as a HC. yet never a losing season, rebuilt the team.

all I have heard you do is point out a few games here and there. and use those as the basis for your argument.

I can do exactly that with billicheck. carroll. McCarthy. fox. couglin, and every other coach. I can do exactly the same for coaches who haven't accomplished anything. you really want to go through that exercise?

the end result is as OC, we were consistently a top 10 team with limited resources. as HC, we have never had a losing season under him and have totally rebuilt the team and become one of the youngest.

you, yes you and other anti-garrett clan predicted 5-11 and 6-10 seasons yet we ended up 8-8 and in playoff hunt with limited talent on the team. yet you fault him for exceeding your own expectations. you expect 100% perfection in everything. if a play doesn't get yards, you will fault him for that play and that single play becomes your basis for your argument.

you missed the forest because of the trees.

 

[Dodger12]

kiffin came on board to help transition of 3-4 to 4-3 defense and it was with Garrett's input. and garrett preaches the proess. the process is to trust your people and he trusted mcclay who has been mentioned on multiple posts on this very thread and his evaluation of Floyd and that he was the #7 ranked player on our board. if you are picking in the 20s and the #7 player falls to you, you take him. that's why garrett was upset. instead jones did the jones thing. once we got past that, he was back in the draft room focusing on what's coming.

DC, if you're going to form an opinion, then form it on facts that are at least accurate. McClay wasn't involved in the Floyd fiasco. Tom Ciskowski was. I'm not even sure McClay was mentioned in the Floyd discussions. It was Marinelli who was pretty much was against drafting Floyd because he didn't fit into his scheme.

And the input to bring in Kiffin was from Lacewell. This whole thing about Garrett's input in certain situations like the Kiffin hiring are nothing more than pipe dreams and based on nothing other than your fantasy that Garrett is somehow in charge, is the arcitect and visionary for this team. There was reporting back then of DC's Garrett had interest in and Dom Capers came to mind. I'm sure there were others. I actually believe that Garrett is too smart to bring in a retread like Kiffin and that's saying a lot.

you guys really grasp at anything to try and discredit garrett at times. its funny to watch the spins people put around things.

facts are that under garrett we have never had a losing season. we have re-built one of the youngest rosters in the league. changed the culture of hte team and the organization and stayed competitive through it. not many coaches can claim that.

now you can spin your hatred of garrett on one Detroit game, or one draft pick and make mountain out of a mole hill. or you can pony up show leadership and admit that you are wrong.

The part in bold is just too funny and keeps getting repeated as some barometer of success......"hey, he's never had a losing season and we were competitive!!!!" Talk about spin. You know as well as anyone that in today's NFL with the salary cap, roster turnover is a given. The system is made to that all teams can taste some success if they draft well and handle the cap.

I don't like Garrett as the HC of this team. I've admitted as much. My opinion is based on what he's brought to the table and done for the team. He's a horrendous play caller and the owner/GM agree with me. No lead is safe with Garrett as the HC/playcaller. That's a fact and based on results that we've seen. He can stand on the sideline and clap like a seal all day so long as we win. But that's where I base my opinion on...wins.

I'll pony up and admit I was wrong when this mystical rebuild and process leads to consistent winning. If Garrett didn't have a franchise QB, I wouldn't hold it against him. But he does and he's still found ways to lose games the team had no business losing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Play action is a play call buddy, not a scheme. Every SCHEME has play action within it.

Try to keep up here.

so because he doesn't call enough play actions to your liking. he sucks!? is that it?