NFL upholds Brady's 4 game suspension

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You can explain it until your are blue in the face but that doesn't change the fact that even experts don't all agree that the Ideal Gas Law was the reason.

But what about the Ideal Gas Law?
http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/05/but-what-about-the-ideal-gas-law/

"Boston University professor Martin Schmaltz, who was one of the first scientists to invoke the law in this dispute. His original calculations seemed to suggest the deflated footballs could be explained by the physics. Now he thinks the physics proved the Patriots deflated the balls."


"Deflategate report’s science holds up"
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...ience-holds/T2HqI3vFVivr9grXOD2VEI/story.html


"While the ideal gas law states air pressure in a given volume will drop along with temperature — and the balls used in the AFC Championship game likely dropped in temperature when moved from inside the stadium to the 51-degree field — the discrepancies between drops in pressure between the Colts balls and the Patriots balls was likely too much to be chance, according to Schmaltz.

And actually, EDN Network (an engineering community) writes, science rather indicts the Patriots, although it suggests less air was removed from the football than originally reported.

According to Schmaltz, the ideal gas law equation suggests a drop in temperature from 68 or 70 would produce a drop of less than 1 PSI in a ball inflated to 12.5 or 13 PSI. While the report found the Colts’ balls measured at or around the league-minimum 12.5 PSI at halftime, many of the Patriots balls were a PSI or more below that threshold, a drop so large its unlikely to have been caused by atmospheric conditions.

While a 12.5 PSI ball could drop to 11.6 PSI, by his calculations, with a temperature drop from 68 or 70 degrees to 51, given both sets being subject to the same conditions, it’s suspicious the Patriots’ balls would drop so much further.

“The Patriots’ balls are around there, some are a little bit low, so the Patriots’ balls are not inconsistent with having been deflated by going down in temperature,” he says. “But it is very mysterious just based on why the Colts balls didn’t drop as much and the Patriots’ balls did.”



I would post more articles, including many from the EDN engineering community, but you a) won't read them anyway because you don't agree with them and b) probably just call them unqualified idiots who don't know what they are talking about because you don't agree with them. Oh and that Boston University Physics Professor must be jealous and a Patriot hater.

Good stuff

And the balls were already back in the heated locker room for over 5 minutes before they were tested at halftime.
The IGL would also work in reverse and increase the pressure as the balls warmed back up.
They were even at levels lower than tested when they were still out in the elements.

AND

After re-inflation at halftime- none of the balls were under the limit when tested after the game.

So I guess the IGL only works on half the balls, half of the time. Weird Science indeed
Before, during and after the game, the only balls that were severely under inflated just happened to be the bag of balls the "Deflator" mysteriously and illegally took into the bathroom unsupervised.
 

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So I guess the IGL only works on half the balls, half of the time. Weird Science indeed
Before, during and after the game, the only balls that were severely under inflated just happened to be the bag of balls the "Deflator" mysteriously and illegally took into the bathroom unsupervised.

According to Rogah, all of that is irrelevant and lies promoted by the league office when in reality it was all the poor record keeping and faulty pressure gauges.
 

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So are you a Yankees fan and a Lakers fans too? Since you have ignored that one altogether it must be that you are a fan of both.

Cmon' Rogah, are you a Yankees and Lakers fan too?

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I have heard or read the geography argument over fandom for decades. It is one of the worst arguments anyone can make. Fanaticism for teams or individual athletes is founded upon an emotional bond. Devotion and loyalty is not tied by zoning laws of property deeds. Someone in China may root harder for a soccer team in Spain than someone walking the streets of Madrid. Expressing allegiance outside the safe, cozy immediate surroundings of like-minded people should be respected. It's somewhat courageous, especially when preferences are ridiculed within an environment filled by others who do not share your same passion.

On the other hand, there is something a bit more deceptive involving multiple allegiances for different teams or individual athletes, like golfers for instance, playing in the same sports organization. Can you love or like as many teams or athletes as you want? Of course you can. Emotional bonds are indiscriminate in their attachments. However, can someone claim to be as emotionally invested in different teams within the same sports organization as someone else who is emotionally invested in a single team? It's a question that someone making the former claim should ask themselves.

There is an inherent conflict of interest. For example, someone loves the Cowboys. The same person loves the Patriots. They exhibit their emotional bond through words, monetary investment, etc. The person loves two teams. Great. Now, have the Cowboys and Patriots face off against each other and sit that half-fan between someone who solely loves the Cowboys and someone else who solely loves the Patriots.Two fans are rooting for separate teams while one fan is rooting for two teams equally. Honestly, can someone root half as well with half the effort as someone else not bound by split allegiances?

Sorry. Half-fans/3 quarter fans/quad fans get on my nerves. It's not that they say they like multiple teams or athletes playing in the same league. That's great. Fantasy sports makes billions off such personal allegiances. It's the nonsense of claiming the same deep emotional bond as someone else, even though that person's emotions split between differing teams. OR not claiming you love another team when you obviously do love more than one team. The whole concept is false. Fans should be honest with themselves.

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Oops. Forgot something. Monetary investment isn't a strong enough argument. My wife loves John Elway. She buys Denver Broncos merchandise all the time because of him. Plus, she makes several trips per year to the Superdome just to heckle Saints fans. She spends a good deal on stuff simply to feel good about her favorite LONG retired player and interacting with real fans. But she doesn't lie to herself or others by claiming to be a Broncos fan. So, to me, claiming to be a season ticket holder means that someone has access to AT&T Stadium. It doesn't necessarily mean the Cowboys are the only team that person is a fan of. It simply suggest that someone has money to burn.
 

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When I hear Cowboys/Pats fan I assume Cowboys fan because of the 90s and Pats fan because of the 2000s, ie, frontrunner.
 

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I have heard or read the geography argument over fandom for decades. It is one of the worst arguments anyone can make. Fanaticism for teams or individual athletes is founded upon an emotional bond. Devotion and loyalty is not tied by zoning laws of property deeds. Someone in China may root harder for a soccer team in Spain than someone walking the streets of Madrid. Expressing allegiance outside the safe, cozy immediate surroundings of like-minded people should be respected. It's somewhat courageous, especially when preferences are ridiculed within an environment filled by others who do not share your same passion.

We moved out of Texas because my wife 100% loathed living in Texas (and man, she gave it a good try)! there will be no turning in the card, I am all in on the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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Brady Federal Case has been consolidated and will be heard in NY. This just reported on ESPN.

NFLPA filed yesterday in Minnesota hoping Judge Doty would take the case. The League filed in Manhattan minutes after releasing the Commissioner's decision. Both parties were forum shopping and this looks like a win for the League.
 

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Brady Federal Case has been consolidated and will be heard in NY. This just reported on ESPN.

NFLPA filed yesterday in Minnesota hoping Judge Doty would take the case. The League filed in Manhattan minutes after releasing the Commissioner's decision. Both parties were forum shopping and this looks like a win for the League.

I love it. Most of the talking heads yesterday just took it for granted that it was going to be heard in Minnesota.
 

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Good stuff

And the balls were already back in the heated locker room for over 5 minutes before they were tested at halftime.
The IGL would also work in reverse and increase the pressure as the balls warmed back up.
They were even at levels lower than tested when they were still out in the elements.

AND

After re-inflation at halftime- none of the balls were under the limit when tested after the game.

So I guess the IGL only works on half the balls, half of the time. Weird Science indeed
Before, during and after the game, the only balls that were severely under inflated just happened to be the bag of balls the "Deflator" mysteriously and illegally took into the bathroom unsupervised.

It has proven over and over again..... By ONE PERSON.... That IGL only works with a heavy dose of A.G.E.N.D.A,
 

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Brady Federal Case has been consolidated and will be heard in NY. This just reported on ESPN.

NFLPA filed yesterday in Minnesota hoping Judge Doty would take the case. The League filed in Manhattan minutes after releasing the Commissioner's decision. Both parties were forum shopping and this looks like a win for the League.

Game. Set. And probably Match.

Federal court moves painfully slow usually. Now Brady needs to decide if he wants to miss four games in September, or four games late in the season.
 

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Brady Federal Case has been consolidated and will be heard in NY. This just reported on ESPN.

NFLPA filed yesterday in Minnesota hoping Judge Doty would take the case. The League filed in Manhattan minutes after releasing the Commissioner's decision. Both parties were forum shopping and this looks like a win for the League.

Wow. It's about time the "brand" gets backed by all BIG parties to eliminate the chance of the "little guy" deliver a blow to the "brand".



Game. Set. And probably Match.

Federal court moves painfully slow usually. Now Brady needs to decide if he wants to miss four games in September, or four games late in the season.

At this point. Somebody needs to sit Brady down and tell him to "cut the ship"... He will retire one day.... And if he doesn't want to be black balled from future nfl "events" for lack of a better word. Cut the ship!
 

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Brady Federal Case has been consolidated and will be heard in NY. This just reported on ESPN.

NFLPA filed yesterday in Minnesota hoping Judge Doty would take the case. The League filed in Manhattan minutes after releasing the Commissioner's decision. Both parties were forum shopping and this looks like a win for the League.[/quote

It's funny how quickly the NFL filed for this.
 

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It's funny how quickly the NFL filed for this.

The judge is known as very liberal with a history of pro-labor decisions, so this isn't over.

Court decisions are the whim of the judge's politics these days anyway.
 

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The Federal Court in New York has been historically more Corporate friendly in Labor disputes BUT anything can happen in Court. The League feels that they have a better chance in NY versus Minnesota due to the years of losses they have taken in Minnesota dating back to a case John Mackey filed against the League and Pete Rozelle; the Reggie White free agency case; and most recently the Adrian Peterson case...among others. However, the Judges in New York may still be swayed by the NFLPA.

Judges decide cases based on two types of precedence: binding precedence and persuasive precedence. Binding precedence obliges a court to follow its decision, while persuasive precedent can influence or inform a decision but cannot compel or restrict it. In this case, the parties attorneys will seek binding precedence compelling the Court to rule in a certain manner (a case that has similar facts and issues and that decision is considered the law of that jurisdiction or of the land. For example: If the NY Courts have already decided a case similar to this and have a specific ruling or if the Supreme Court has ruled on a similar matter and made its decision the law of the land).

In the absence of that, the NFLPA will present the Minnesota decisions by Judge Doty and others as well as similar cases throughout the Country to persuade the Judge or NY Court. The recent Judge Doty decisions may be very persuasive to even a Corporate friendly Judge if it is written and reasoned concisely.

I write that to say...the case is not a slam dunk for the League just because they won the venue battle. The parties will both have to present their sides in a strong manner.

Should be interesting.
 

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The judge is known as very liberal with a history of pro-labor decisions, so this isn't over.

Court decisions are the whim of the judge's politics these days anyway.

That's the truth. It's very sickening to me.
 
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