Troy Aikman, Bob Hayes and 15-16 others that don't deserve HOF status

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Joe Namath is in the HOF with more picks than TDs. I do think he belongs because of the impact he had on the game. He is one the reasons for for NFL's rise in popularity in the 60's. Sometimes you need to look at more than stats.

Namath's impact on the game with his guaranteed win over the heavily favored Colts in SB III is why he's in the HOF. That SB game was so historic and with him being the focal point you can't leave him out of the HOF. Namath is arguably the most famous football player ever except maybe for maybe OJ Simpson who's murder trial overshadowed his entire football career. SB III made Namath a legend. You rarely see an interview with him where that game and his guarantee isn't brought up. He certainly never gets tired of talking about it brings a big smile to his face every time he reflects on it.
 

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Namath is arguably the most famous football player ever except maybe for maybe OJ Simpson who's murder trial overshadowed his entire football career.
"Overshadows" not overshadowed. The murder trial occurred after he retired, not before or during his career.
 

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I was just making some comparisons for all the Romo bashers who will never really appreciate him. Aikman absolutely rode Emmitt and Irvin into the hall of fame.

The Great wall of Dallas line, the greatest running back of all time, HOF WR, a great pass catching TE and the number 1 defense at the time. You can't deny Aikman was a bus driver most of the time. Without Emmitt and Michael, Aikman was a sub .400 QB.

Aikman made the ProBowl in 94 and 95 averaging less than 1 TD pass per game. WHAT?
Thought of as a tough guy, Aikman only had three seasons he started every game.
Aikman's best year 23 TDs 3400 yds would be considered a down year for Romo and people would be calling for his replacement.
Career yards per attempt, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, etc etc, all Tony.

I appreciated Aikman when he played. But Romo has carried the Cowboys at times. Aikman ? Not a chance.

To be honest - the Romo bashers are very few and far between these days.

There's making a point - then there's looking like an idiot.
 

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Aikman's best year 23 TDs 3400 yds would be considered a down year for Romo and people would be calling for his replacement.


Aikman played in a different era why does that not compute with some of you? The rules were much different back in the 90's they didn't help the passing game like they do now and besides Aikman's 3445 yards back in 92 was only 260 yards less than what Romo passed for last season. It shows when you have a prolific running game led by the leagues top rusher it's going to keep a QB's passing yards down. Aikman only had 23 TD's that season because Emmitt scored 18 rushing TD's. Emmitt being second all-time in TD's kept Aikman from throwing many TD's and Irvin from catching many TD's.
 

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I was just making some comparisons for all the Romo bashers who will never really appreciate him. Aikman absolutely rode Emmitt and Irvin into the hall of fame.

The Great wall of Dallas line, the greatest running back of all time, HOF WR, a great pass catching TE and the number 1 defense at the time. You can't deny Aikman was a bus driver most of the time. Without Emmitt and Michael, Aikman was a sub .400 QB.

Aikman made the ProBowl in 94 and 95 averaging less than 1 TD pass per game. WHAT?
Thought of as a tough guy, Aikman only had three seasons he started every game.
Aikman's best year 23 TDs 3400 yds would be considered a down year for Romo and people would be calling for his replacement.
Career yards per attempt, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, etc etc, all Tony.

I appreciated Aikman when he played. But Romo has carried the Cowboys at times. Aikman ? Not a chance.

Aikman a bus driver, jeesh that is funny.:laugh:

The guy if need be could have put up better numbers but Emmitt got a huge share of the workload. I think at one time and maybe still to this day Aikman holds the record for accuracy at the NFL QB competition.
 

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You can't deny Aikman was a bus driver most of the time.

The term "bus driver" has a derogatory tone to is as if a QB can't take charge and win games. Aikman took charge and won games during the regular season, playoffs and SB. Against SF in the 92 NFC title game he passed for 322 yards, 2 TD's, competing 70% of his passes and had a passer rating of 120.0. His pass to Harper late in the 4th quarter sealed the win. He did a hell of a lot more than drive a bus in that game and it had a trip to the SB riding on it. In the SB 2 weeks later he tossed what was his career high at the time 4 TD passes and completed 73% of his passes en route to being named SB MVP.

He did what he was asked to do within the Cowboys offense and it led to a first ballot HOF career. The HOF shouldn't be all about stats with skill position players because you're dealing with players from different eras who played under different rules in different schemes. Postseason wins and championships matter and Troy Aikman had an 11-5 playoff record and a 3-0 SB record. A QB with a postseason resume like who led a team that dominated a decade deserves to be in the HOF.
 

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I'm okay with Swann and Stallworth in the HOF because they did come up big in those SB's and championships carry a lot of weight with me. Bradshaw's career was going nowhere until they showed up and both receivers were a huge part of the Steelers winning 3 of those SB's in the 70s. The article said it was a package deal with Swann and Stallworth and it was but a number of Steeler players got into the HOF due to those SB wins.
 

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Everyone has their own opinion on who should or shouldn't be in the HOF. I was listening to Gil Brandt and he thought Andy Russell was as good an LB as Lambert and Ham if not better and Russell isn't in the HOF.
 

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but as someone who is a fan of both QBs and watched both live and thinks both are very good, I would take Aikman in a heartbeat over Romo


that's nostalgia. if that were true you would take eli over romo as well.
 

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This is a textbook case of pseudo journalists writing stupid things to draw attention to themselves.
 

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Haven't run the numbers but that might have been true if he didn't play another game after the last Super Bowl. Unfortunately, he did and he sucked horribly (2TD, 8INT the rest of the way). Even with all of that factored in, he's still Top 20 all time.

Winningest QB of the 90s


I can't give writers any attention... They just write for sensationalism. It's not their fault in our Kardascian World!
 

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Anyone who thinks Aikman doesn't belong in the HOF is - to put it mildly - a 'tard, no offense intended to the mentally challenged.
 

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The NFL puts 5-8 guys in every year. There are going to be a few questions.

But Troy ain't one.

That's exactly right. To really have this conversation you have to go back and see who you put in instead of anyone of those guys on the list.

What he is also missing is that the HOF is more than stats, but affect on the game and the perception of the game. If it was just about stats then we could just come up with some standard criteria and a player is either in or out.
 

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That's exactly right. To really have this conversation you have to go back and see who you put in instead of anyone of those guys on the list.

What he is also missing is that the HOF is more than stats, but affect on the game and the perception of the game. If it was just about stats then we could just come up with some standard criteria and a player is either in or out.

Man... There is always something that makes me think of "what if"..... What if Aikman led us to 4 straight SB wins.

This clown wouldn't even attempt putting his name on this list,
 
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