Dez Bryant - The Survivor

[erod]

And just let Dave try to mess with Greg Hardy. He'll slap the b___ right outta him!"

I'm sure the team and Hardy could have done without that comment and wording.

 

[tyke1doe]

... did any of you folks enjoy the piece? Nagging about any and everything

I found it interesting. But what did you expect? We read to critically evaluate the information we receive. That's what intelligent people do.

What? Did you expect us to read and not formulate an opinion?

Furthermore, we all use our own expertise in interpreting the world around us. As a former reporter, I spotted several techniques journalists use to sensationalize a story as well as tactics by Wells that leads me to believe he's not credible.

And that's why I shared the information that I did, so others can read my response and critically evaluate whether I'm spewing nonsense or whether I make sense.

 

[tyke1doe]

Roc-Nation could sue him into the gutter. Win or lose, they could just bury him with legal expenses.

I wonder what Dez' motivation is here. For a guy that is so reluctant to talk about his past, he really let this stranger from Rolling Stones get into some personal areas. Was Roc-Nation behind this?

I really don't think these players have an understanding of the media nor the tactics of how reporters work their craft.

A reporter could start by saying, "I want to do a story on your negotiations" and then you start getting buddy, buddy with them. And they're agreeing with you, "Yeah, that Jerry Jones is playing you for a fool." And then you start getting comfortable and let your guard down and start saying things you think are off the record or think you're just shooting the breeze with a friend.

And then you see the article, which is nothing like you expected.

I used to have people say to me that an article (not mine) came out differently than they thought. And I would say, "A reporter is not obligated to do the story you think he/she should. He/she follows the story as it unfolds."

Remember John Rocker? All the stuff he told that Sports Illustrated reporter? I believe the reporter was agreeing with him the whole time, allowing Rocker to drop his guards.

I've seen it happen over and over again. And if I was as unscrupulous, I could do some mean exposes on people.

That's why savvy players who speak with the media only say nice things. They are careful not to criticize because they know a comment can be taken out of context.

I think Dez is passionate about football, but I still think he's a bit naïve.

 

[The Natural]

I found it interesting. But what did you expect? We read to critically evaluate the information we receive. That's what intelligent people do.

What? Did you expect us to read and not formulate an opinion?

Furthermore, we all use our own expertise in interpreting the world around us. As a former reporter, I spotted several techniques journalists use to sensationalize a story as well as tactics by Wells that leads me to believe he's not credible.

And that's why I shared the information that I did, so others can read my response and critically evaluate whether I'm spewing nonsense or whether I make sense.

I read this article, and threads about this article on two different boards. One here, and the other on a different forum. The contrast in responses are very interesting, to say the least.

 

[casmith07]

I read this article, and threads about this article on two different boards. One here, and the other on a different forum. The contrast in responses are very interesting, to say the least.

I can only imagine.

 

[erod]

I think Dez is passionate about football, but I still think he's a bit naïve.

Yeah, I think he's getting played here. There was no reason for him to grant this kind of access at this point in time, and I'm not sure what he gained with this. This is a very known story among local media, but they choose to respect his privacy and not dwell on it much. I think Roc Nation told him to do this.

Roc Nation has some angle or brewing dispute with Wells, I suspect. There's probably some intellectual or marketing territory that is being claimed somehow that has these two factions at odds behind the scenes.

And the article is trying to make an unscrupulous connection between Jerry Jones and David Wells, as if they're in cahoots on numerous fronts. This story became less about Dez, and more about some underlying evil relationship going on between Wells and the Cowboys. Notice he used the words "reptilian" and "machinations" when referring to Jerry. In effect, that calls Jerry a secretive and scheming snake in the grass.

But that would be expected from an anti-corporate and liberal magazine like Rolling Stone.

 

[superonyx]

If so, Carter should advise in private. He's got his own public scandal to squash right now.

It was a joke because of the terrible advice he gave the rookies.

 

[sureletsrace]

After reading this crap article, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think as such.

 

[superonyx]

Article is not very nice to Jerry. I am a little disappointed in Dez, as Jerry took quite the hit for drafting him where he did.

You do realize that Dez didn't actually write the article don't you?

 

[DenCWBY]

If he actually has "dirt" on anyone, which is highly questionable, he would be committing career suicide to go public with it...ever. In his line of business, once you show you can't be trusted, you're done.

Really? He's already apparently pretty well off financially and evidently loves the attention. If the Cowboys were to shut off the water, and he had the dirt, he could theoretically write a book and be on the front cover of every English speaking news resource and pretty much retire afterwards whether he's honest or lying. He mentions basically being in the judges and attorneys pockets cleaning up the messes of high profile players. That's a pretty big story in itself much less the football players he "helped". People pay and love to read and see high profile people and their lavish lifestyles along with their skeletons drug through the mud. It's sick but it sells.

 

[casmith07]

I'm somewhat surprised this thread isn't 20 pages long by now.

 

[LandryFan]

Really? He's already apparently pretty well off financially and evidently loves the attention. If the Cowboys were to shut off the water, and he had the dirt, he could theoretically write a book and be on the front cover of every English speaking news resource and pretty much retire afterwards whether he's honest or lying. He mentions basically being in the judges and attorneys pockets cleaning up the messes of high profile players. That's a pretty big story in itself much less the football players he "helped". People pay and love to read and see high profile people and their lavish lifestyles along with their skeletons drug through the mud. It's sick but it sells.

I don't disagree with you, but then he would be in a different line of work where trust wouldn't matter. He certainly wouldn't be considered by any athlete in the future.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Jesus did any of you folks enjoy the piece? Nagging about any and everything

Agree. So depressing. They got their dreaded injury. You would think they should be happy a few weeks before football season

 

[tyke1doe]

I read this article, and threads about this article on two different boards. One here, and the other on a different forum. The contrast in responses are very interesting, to say the least.

Which board did you read the article on besides this one, if I may ask?
I'm sure Cowboys fans didn't like the article. But I'm not one of your "defend every Cowboys player to the death even if he's wrong" kind of fan. As Beyonce' sang, "You must not know bout me."

I've criticized Tony Romo, Greg Hardy, DeMarco Murray (when he was still Cowboy) and Dez Bryant in the past. Got into heated conversations in fact.

Still, I think I can be objective about certain things. And I don't like how the article was written. I think making implication about race without spelling out the racial issue is cowardly, IMO.
I think calling Jerry Jones reptilian without giving examples beyond salary negotiations is a cheap shot. Heck, every owner is reptilian if that's the case.
And I think a former police/agent who hints at police reports and a 911 call but can't produce one or assumes that a reporter doesn't know how to make a simple FOI request to verify the existence of said reports is full of it.

And I would say this if I were a Commanders fan, an Eagles fans or a Giants fan.

 

[The Natural]

Which board did you read the article on besides this one, if I may ask?
I'm sure Cowboys fans didn't like the article. But I'm not one of your "defend every Cowboys player to the death even if he's wrong" kind of fan. As Beyonce' sang, "You must not know bout me."
.

You may ask, I'd prefer not to answer. The majority of posters there however are not Cowboys fans and like I said it was interesting to see how the article was received there compared to a site of Cowboys fans.

 

[tyke1doe]

You may ask, I'd prefer not to answer. The majority of posters there however are not Cowboys fans and like I said it was interesting to see how the article was received there compared to a site of Cowboys fans.

Fair enough.
I'm sure they're loving it. Let them kiss the ring at the end of the season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, I think he's getting played here. There was no reason for him to grant this kind of access at this point in time, and I'm not sure what he gained with this. This is a very known story among local media, but they choose to respect his privacy and not dwell on it much. I think Roc Nation told him to do this.

Roc Nation has some angle or brewing dispute with Wells, I suspect. There's probably some intellectual or marketing territory that is being claimed somehow that has these two factions at odds behind the scenes.

And the article is trying to make an unscrupulous connection between Jerry Jones and David Wells, as if they're in cahoots on numerous fronts. This story became less about Dez, and more about some underlying evil relationship going on between Wells and the Cowboys. Notice he used the words "reptilian" and "machinations" when referring to Jerry. In effect, that calls Jerry a secretive and scheming snake in the grass.

But that would be expected from an anti-corporate and liberal magazine like Rolling Stone.

They didn't try. The article flat out states that Dez was trying to sever his relationship with Wells and Stephen Jones insisted that Wells oversee his rehab following the mom incident. They have Wells himself quoted that he was in Oxnard 'for any players the Jones send his way.' It's pretty obvious that Wells is indeed a Cowboys security contractor.

Machinations implies deliberate action and Jones was described as reptilian as opposed to Dez's emotional response. Jones isn't very deliberate but Stephen was doing the negotiations plus with his frog eyes, waxy skin and a face lift, I'm double okay with reptilian.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which board did you read the article on besides this one, if I may ask?
I'm sure Cowboys fans didn't like the article. But I'm not one of your "defend every Cowboys player to the death even if he's wrong" kind of fan. As Beyonce' sang, "You must not know bout me."

I've criticized Tony Romo, Greg Hardy, DeMarco Murray (when he was still Cowboy) and Dez Bryant in the past. Got into heated conversations in fact.

Still, I think I can be objective about certain things. And I don't like how the article was written. I think making implication about race without spelling out the racial issue is cowardly, IMO.
I think calling Jerry Jones reptilian without giving examples beyond salary negotiations is a cheap shot. Heck, every owner is reptilian if that's the case.
And I think a former police/agent who hints at police reports and a 911 call but can't produce one or assumes that a reporter doesn't know how to make a simple FOI request to verify the existence of said reports is full of it.

And I would say this if I were a Commanders fan, an Eagles fans or a Giants fan.

They talked about the trope of the out of control black Dallas athlete. Mentioned Hollywood, Irvin, Williams etc. Came up the part where Dez gets to the Cowboys. They tied that directly into the Cowboys perception of him and the rehab they demanded.

Had Wells describing himself as "black Ray Donovan" who is "one of the most credible people in courthouse circles, and have a relationship with every sitting judge in Dallas and with three different district attorneys." Shouldn't take long to think of Senator/attorney West and his bankroll and all that entails. Judges are elected here in Texas btw.

Racial trope and racial politics.

 

[WoodysGirl]

From a journalistic standpoint, yeah the article wasn't the most in-depth piece I've read. Not great, but not terrible. I do think this article was Roc Nation-driven in order to let Dez tell his story to someone from a different perspective than one from the local reporter who may be biased on the overall subject

Having said that, I still find the stuff with David Wells the most compelling part of the story. I believe he is still growing from his upbringing, but it no longer defines who he is.

 

[Plumfool]

They talked about the trope of the out of control black Dallas athlete. Mentioned Hollywood, Irvin, Williams etc. Came up the part where Dez gets to the Cowboys. They tied that directly into the Cowboys perception of him and the rehab they demanded.

Had Wells describing himself as "black Ray Donovan" who is "one of the most credible people in courthouse circles, and have a relationship with every sitting judge in Dallas and with three different district attorneys." Shouldn't take long to think of Senator/attorney West and his bankroll and all that entails. Judges are elected here in Texas btw.

Racial trope and racial politics.

That's the way I read it as well.