Everyone in Dallas Area, stay inside and stay safe

[CATCH17]

I will leave it at this. When will people learn to obey an LEO's commands and stop trying to argue or fight with them???? It's that simple. It's also the law. If you feel your rights have been violated, take it up in the court system when and where appropriate. If you really think LEOs hit street everyday hoping to shoot/kill someone, you've got issues. You are greatly biased if you think in this manner. Do LEOs make mistakes? Sometimes fatal mistakes? Yes, they do. However, if you believe all LEOs want to kill citizens for ANY reason, I don't know what to tell you.

This may sound crazy but I think people really need a tutorial video on how to be arrested and how to protest properly.

Somewhere along the line people started thinking it's ok to have a fight with these police officers when they are getting arrested and that it's ok to vandalize when protesting.

 

[Phoenix]

Horrible stuff. Praying for all of the DFW area from DC

 

[CATCH17]

And neither do civilians when dealing with supposed law enforcement officers ....... That's what you fail to understand .

I was just thinking how paranoid I would be now just during a routine stop of some sort. Like if I had to search for my registration and the cop thinks he see's a gun and just caps me. That is terrifying.

People with concealed carry licenses are playing a dangerous game with how paranoid police are now days as well.

One simple miscommunication between a law biding citizen and a cop could end a life.

 

[DFWJC]

Racial relations have gotten progressively worse the last 8 years.
Zero doubt about that.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Kind of outside the central theme of these discussions, but seems this is the first case of law enforcement using a robot to kill a perpetrator. They had a robot move close to the suspect and detonate a bomb to end the stand-off. Crazy stuff.

 

[knightrider94]

Racial relations have gotten progressively worse the last 8 years.
Zero doubt about that.

Only 8 years? Why 8 years? Please explain.

 

[DFWJC]

Only 8 years? Why 8 years? Please explain.

Racial relations have always been in a ebb and flow, but generally since the 60s, they've been getting steadily better overall with ebbs/flows intermittently.
Maybe it's the last 5-6 and not 8 years, but it is clearly getting worse.
That's my observation anyway.

if you don't agree, that's fine.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Only 8 years? Why 8 years? Please explain.

Agreed.

I don't think things are worse today than they were from about the Emmitt Till murder until after Vietnam.

All those things that are happening today, happened then... Just 10 fold– Just the media coverage was minute compared with today.

On top of that the murder rate was much higher then than it is now.

Overall I feel people are more tolerant, BUT you're always going to have folks "off the bell curve" that make it appear as though the problem is much larger due to media coverage and aggressive zealots who latch onto such things (both for & against) that continue the agitation.

 

[gmoney112]

Racial relations have always been in a ebb and flow, but generally since the 60s, they've been getting steadily better overall with ebbs/flows intermittently.
Maybe it's the last 5-6 and not 8 years, but it is clearly getting worse.
That's my observation anyway.

if you don't agree, that's fine.

I don't know. Minorities being skeptical of law enforcement isn't anything new, and obviously there are examples of it being warranted.

It's kinda the nature of the biz. Low barriers of entry into the profession draws the bad as well as good. I think we're just seeing it more now because of the portability of cameras.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't know. Minorities being skeptical of law enforcement isn't anything new, and obviously there are examples of it being warranted.

It's kinda the nature of the biz. Low barriers of entry into the profession draws the bad as well as good. I think we're just seeing it more now because of the portability of cameras.

Exactly right.

This isn't anything new.

And if a study were done we would probably find the number of incidents involving police officers shooting black men/boys under questionable circumstances is down considerably from the 50's, 60's & 70's.

Totally my opinion but I think police today are better trained and less likely to shoot-first & ask questions later than with any previous generation of law enforcement. A lot of these police officers were brought up in the 80's and early 90's and didn't experience what the country went through in the 60's & 70's.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't know. Minorities being skeptical of law enforcement isn't anything new, and obviously there are examples of it being warranted.

It's kinda the nature of the biz. Low barriers of entry into the profession draws the bad as well as good. I think we're just seeing it more now because of the portability of cameras.

Yeah, it's always been there. And water is wet. Can't imagine anyone denying it.
No doubt that 40 years ago was way worse, 30 less so, 20 less so, 10 less so....but it seems that we have regressed back to 10-15 years ago to me.
And I can never recall a time where cops are being targeted and killed like this.

Like I said, maybe just me.

Also, I completely agree about the low barrier of entry contributing to a knucklehead factor in a certain percentage of the force.
There are no excuses for this 2-5% or so of the cops, and some of their actions deserve serious prosecution.

It just seems like now the cop hate is being enabled to some degree....instant assumptions of guilt being voiced nationally by the most powerful voices and before trial...etc.
Fanning the flames.

 

[zrinkill]

The reason it seems worse is more people are recording these encounters. People who usually never experience this kinda police treatment are seeing it now from the point of view of those that have to deal with it on a daily basis.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Only 8 years? Why 8 years? Please explain.

yea...8 years is awfully specific

truth is, people just have access to more information these days. may not be all good information, but more information none the less. people, not just black people, but most people were shocked to see the rodney king beating. but if you lived in the inner city, you knew that it wasn't just those cops who had done something like that.

today, with everyone having camera phones that record videos and a way to share said video with millions of viewers with just a few clicks, more and more people are just becoming aware of incidents like these.

Blame technology and social media, but that genie is out of the bottle, not going back in

 

[knightrider94]

Racial relations have always been in a ebb and flow, but generally since the 60s, they've been getting steadily better overall with ebbs/flows intermittently.
Maybe it's the last 5-6 and not 8 years, but it is clearly getting worse.
That's my observation anyway.

if you don't agree, that's fine.

I don't agree, but I like to try and understand other's POV.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The reason it seems worse is more people are recording these encounters. People who usually never experience this kinda police treatment are seeing it now from the point of view of those that have to deal with it on a daily basis.

This is it entirely.

Everyone is recording everything and working up the dander of the fringe.

It's not that there are more issues... because they're probably isn't.

It's just those few (and yes, one is too many) are getting coverage, coverage and more coverage.

 

[Denim Chicken]

This is it entirely.

Everyone is recording everything and working up the dander of the fringe.

It's not that there are more issues... because they're probably isn't.

It's just those few (and yes, one is too many) are getting coverage, coverage and more coverage.

That is not it entirely. There are other issues at play, including (but not limited to) the militarization of police forces and increasing economic disparity among the classes.

 

[zrinkill]

the militarization of police forces.

This is something I have noticed ........ makes me very uncomfortable when cops start using military terms to try and explain their reactions.

Military tactics should never be used against your own civilian population ........ Dictators do that.

 

[Denim Chicken]

This is something I have noticed ........ makes me very uncomfortable when cops start using military terms to try and explain their reactions.

Military tactics should never be used against your own civilian population ........ Dictators do that.

Good read on the subject, if interested: Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces by Radley Balko

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That is not it entirely. There are other issues at play, including (but not limited to) the militarization of police forces and increasing economic disparity among the classes.

The police has always had a militarization bent to it... More so after the ending of a war and the ranks become filled with ex-soldiers.

And there has always been economic disparity among the classes... you show me proof that it's so much wider now than ever.

 

[Bizwah]

This may sound crazy but I think people really need a tutorial video on how to be arrested and how to protest properly.

Somewhere along the line people started thinking it's ok to have a fight with these police officers when they are getting arrested and that it's ok to vandalize when protesting.

I've thought this for a while now. One of my good friends that's a cop told me what I should do if pulled over.

He said to not exit the car unless instructed to. Exiting the car is a sign of aggression. Keep both hands on the wheel. If the cop asks for license or registration, tell them where it is (back pocket, glove compartment, etc), then ask if it's ok to retrieve it. Move slowly and deliberately. Be polite. Follow directions. These are men and women that have no idea if you mean no harm, or if you are reaching for a gun.

I'm not sure what happened to the men that were killed. I know it's tragic. I hope justice (no matter what it is ) is served.