Everyone in Dallas Area, stay inside and stay safe

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I would guess that race relations are generally better and have generally been steadily improving. What I think has changed, as others have mentioned, is the proliferation of video. I also think police organizations in America have militarized more, and that we're going through a sea change in terms of how criminals can be identified, traced, and caught.

It feels like a transitionary phase where best practice hasn't caught up with capabilities. Sprinkle in the sorts of relatively rare abuses of power we've always had and put them on video, and it makes for an incendiary situation.

I disagree. Race relations are at the lowest point since the 1960s . I live in an state that is known for poor race relations and we are getting along fine, but the rest of the country is headed towards a race war.
 
Well, he's the dead suspect. But I'm very interested in the other three suspects that everyone seems to have forgotten.

Yeah, I was getting all this news about how the shooting was some sort of ambush by a number of suspects but it seems like it was a lone psycho.
 
Those all have biased slants.

In addition what does "economic inequality" actually mean?

Right now the poorest demographics in this country are far better off than the poorest demographics in any previous generation... They have cell phones... low cost/free housing... low cost/free food... low cost/free medical... low cost/free schooling.

There is more opportunity for the poorest demographics today than ever before in this country.

I'd question what all this is based on. Denim Chicken posted articles, which you dismissed (and perhaps you are right, perhaps they are from a "biased" point of view), yet you seem to certain in your assertions with nothing to back them up other than your general feeling.
 
Kind of outside the central theme of these discussions, but seems this is the first case of law enforcement using a robot to kill a perpetrator. They had a robot move close to the suspect and detonate a bomb to end the stand-off. Crazy stuff.

He had just shot another cop and they were in a stand off for a long time.
He claimed to have bombs all over town that he would set off.

Oh, the irony.
 
I'd question what all this is based on. Denim Chicken posted articles, which you dismissed (and perhaps you are right, perhaps they are from a "biased" point of view), yet you seem to certain in your assertions with nothing to back them up other than your general feeling.

I'm done with the topic.
 
That sounds like an awfully convenient timeframe, but you have zero doubt, so I guess that's that.

Thanks:laugh:

I explained the timeframe earlier, I think it may have been erased because it got close to being political...though not the intention.
I'll try to word better...
I just think a short term high point (relatively good relations) was about 7-8 years ago due to the election. People may have not liked each others politics but there was a sense of unity anyway.
Since then it has steadily deteriorated, imo (and in most polls' opinion)
 
He was a lone shooter. The female looks to be a girlfriend or acquaintance. The other two were probably not involved at all. This is what my cousin told me a few hours ago FWIW, they are still looking at them closely to rule them out.

If that's the case,then I'm waiting on the manifesto. Because there's always one.
 
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Well I started this thread to hope people would stay safe and let the people of the Dallas area know we are thinking about all of them ...... the innocent civilians and innocent peace officers who are all being attacked by murderers.

And it has fell into the normal political and racial BS.

I believe the thread I started has run its course.
 
Shouldn't we zap all references to race relations because the last page wasn't the only page where rr was mentioned?
Just saying.
 
My apologies for deleting and walking away... however, to be clear the thread was drifting too far from the original premise of the thread.

I think we need to bring it back to the event of the night and the individual or individuals involved.
 
It's especially tragic that the Dallas murders came right on the heels of the Minnesota and Lousiana shootings. The timing looks like it has caused people on either side of the debate to harden into their positions, which really leads to nothing being done, especially if those are the loudest voices in the room.

Dallas was pure premeditated murder. The other two looked to me (and I only saw the videos that everyone else did) like policemen who didn't have the emotional resources to be policemen, or who didn't have adequate training in those kinds of engagements. Watching the MN video, the officer, just from the sound of his voice, had completely red-lined. You could hear it in his voice, he was way far gone. This was after the shooting took place, but it's easy to imagine that he was up against or over the line leading up to it. Same with LA...it looked like one and maybe both officers who were in full fight-or-flight mode. That is the worst possible thing you want from the authority in those situations.

To me, that speaks of either cops who shouldn't be cops, or inadequate training I know it's more complicated than that, but making sure have officers who are very clear on that drill is really vital. Learning to control your emotions, learning to assess situations more clearly or recognize when you're over the line, knowing when to let another officer take over, staying as calm as possible, giving clear step-by-step orders...all that won't prevent all tragedies but will probably prevent many of them.

I remember in one of the Navy Seal books - I think it was American Sniper - he related that the Seals' approach was (something along the lines of) make haste slowly. Deliberate, keep your cool, and know that going red-line makes your judgement go south. Practice it over and over. I know this is easier said than done in the heat of the moment, and that is where weeding out those who can't or won't do it, and better training those who can, will make a big difference.

Malcolm Gladwell's "Blink", about our instincts and snap judgement mechanism, had a chapter about a police vs immigrant incident that turned tragic because both a well-meaning African immigrant and four well-meaning policemen all got lost in their snap judgements/unconscious biases, and it turned tragic. Thats where I would love to see more training about how to approach those snap-judgement scenarios.

I've served a stint on a Federal grand jury. I know how many really, really, bad guys are out there, and how diligent the vast majority of police and agents are, and what they're up against. My heart goes out to the police force right now.

And yes I think that us John-Public folks could probably use some slow-it-down with the snap judgements coming from pure emotion too. No fingers pointed, I have a hard time enough doing it myself. :(
 
I think this thread has been conducted in a respectful fashion. Kudos to everybody for that. Race was brought up, but that is understandable. With the exception of a couple post, it seems like everybody acted like adults for once.
 
theres a fox10 video where a blm protest lead was asked to take part in a shoot ront shoot drill police have to go through. it changes your perspective when you are the one who is responsible forcthe decision. ill try to find it in a bit but it changed this mans mind.
 
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