Talkin Cowboys or The Break?

CalPolyTechnique

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Like most of us, I believe some things to be likely anecdotally that I understand I can't prove, Pomona. Not exactly rocket surgery.

SMH, the sincerity of that ignorant train of thought makes me reluctant to criticize and just pity you instead.

And Fuzzy and I can respectfully disagree on any topic. Don't think the fact that I can acknowledge he generally owns you outright when you engage with him means he and I agree on every topic. I probably don't agree with any poster on every topic. I do respect the thought he puts into his posts, though.

Lol, ah yes, the "he owned you" schtick. So convincing.

Go do some more research shook one and get back to me.

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I just asked for a link confirming she was a reporter in college (via Fuzzy). Nothing more or less.

Don't hold your breath then.

As you already know, she was never a reporter.

He'll likely just put you on ignore so he doesn't have to acknowledge he was speaking out his rear.

Oh, that, and idgit will claim victory on his behalf.
 

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Please explain why it's necessary for me to assess her work based on what she did last year. How is what she did or didn't contribute last year relevant to an assessment of her job performance on the show this year. Pursuing the point... curious... is that how your own job works? Are the people you have to satisfy in order to have a good assessment making judgments about your performance based on how you did last year? (I wasn't aware that there are jobs like that out there, but maybe so.)

I'm happy to grant you that maybe she was pretty lousy before... and, to your point, that maybe she took cues from Broaddus. Fine by me. I don't let my ego disallow me from being transparent in my ignorance... and I think that's a good trait to have, so I embrace it. But I'm not ignorant about this season, and what I've heard. Again, for the role she's prescribed to fill, she's solid. I stand by that.

That you would consider my perspective "guns a-blazin" when I've empirically included sentences that attempt balance is its own commentary on your own perspective... and your own tendency to judge a person differently based on femaleness or maleness (aka, sexist). "Me thinks he doth protest too much" comes to mind.
Could you please just quote the post so it would come up as an alert buddy? Anywho its necessary for you ***** her work because you can't come in with your cape on when you admit you can't even speak on what others are potentially talking about. Most people are talking overall that's why you need to have some knowledge on the situation. Just because you checked when the team wasn't doing good don't mean others did and they are mostly speaking in totality while you are only speaking from your pov based on this year. I don't have a job and even when I did my boss was my dad so I can't speak on that. I can tell you the business I run doesn't care about last year though. What does that have to do with Taylor besides you making up any reason to excuse her of anything? People in here are mainly speaking overall which includes last year so stop trying to make a new category just to absolve her of being talked about.

I don't care if you think she's solid honesty because I've said many times I don't even think she's bad. I said I just don't like when guys put on their capes for women for no reason. Don't mess with poor little baby like she isn't above being talked about. That is my only point in this constant back and forth with you and a few others.

Guns a blazin is a saying but I see we all can exaggerate to make things whatever we want to see them for. No stuff its my own view who said it wasn't? I don't know you to judge you so spare me. You are caping for Taylor that's not judgement that's just fact. Now if I said you was a jerk or something like that that is moreso judging you IMO not saying you are caping based off your post on this thread. You maybe a great guy it doesn't mean that you aren't defending her in a way you and most guys wouldn't defend a man in a similar situation and I don't see how y'all can't see how that comes off. Lastly whatever comes to mind for you is ok by me its all just messageboard disagreement at the end of the day. No more no less. I'm pretty sure we will all be ok right after we log off.


I really would feel sorry for Taylor herself if she were to somehow come across this thread. Poor girl.
Why do y'all feel so sympathetic to her? I feel sorry for some of y'all that out people on pedestals for no reason.
 

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SMH, the sincerity of that ignorant train of thought makes me reluctant to criticize and just pity you instead.

Lol, ah yes, the "he owned you" schtick. So convincing.

Go do some more research shook one and get back to me.

STAT.

All hat, no cattle.
 

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I just asked for a link confirming she was a reporter in college (via Fuzzy). Nothing more or less.

Taylor Stern is currently the Social Media Coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. Prior to that she was the Marketing and Communications manager at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic and has enjoyed her past year in the DFW Area. She was able to gain considerable experience working the 2015 Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic and 1st College Football Playoff National Championship. In May 2014, she graduated from the University of New Mexico with a bachelors degree in multimedia journalism with an emphasis in broadcasting. Her prior position was the social media coordinator for The Waite Company, a public relations firm. She recently interned with the media operations department at the 2014 Rose Bowl and 2014 BCS National Championship.

Taylor served as the LoboTV student assistant for the past three years. At LoboTV she learned how to shoot, edit and produce content for the University of New Mexico. During her time at UNM she has been able to volunteer and work many sporting events. Including the Mountain West basketball tournament, women’s and men’s first and second rounds of the NCAA basketball tournament, the 2012 Women’s Final Four and the 2012 College World Series, the 2013 Discover Orange Bowl, the 2013 National Championship for football.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylor-stern-01309359
 

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Honest question to those of you mainly negative in your assessment of Stern (except for Phil who has already addressed this)...

Is it correct to assume you're equally critical of her work this season as you are of her work pre-dating this season? That is, as you've spoken about her in this thread, is it correct to assume that your commentary actually would be positive if, in fact, you perceived she was doing a good job this season?

Perhaps I've assumed too much.
 

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Honest question to those of you mainly negative in your assessment of Stern (except for Phil who has already addressed this)...

Is it correct to assume you're equally critical of her work this season as you are of her work pre-dating this season? That is, as you've spoken about her in this thread, is it correct to assume that your commentary actually would be positive if, in fact, you perceived she was doing a good job this season?

Perhaps I've assumed too much.

I've pretty clearly said that she was genuinely bad to start and has fairly quickly improved to 'adequate' right now. And I expect her to continue to get better. I don't have a really problem with her overall, though.

At her level, you have to expect people to be green coming in some of the time. What I gather of her behind the scenes, it sounds like she's a hustler, too, which is obviously to her credit.
 

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Ya, that's the link I had. Where does it say she was a reporter in college? (went thru it again, didn't see it)

What is a media department?

The point is she has been around football professionally for years and is not a neophyte to the sport.
 

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Could you please just quote the post so it would come up as an alert buddy? Anywho its necessary for you ***** her work because you can't come in with your cape on when you admit you can't even speak on what others are potentially talking about. Most people are talking overall that's why you need to have some knowledge on the situation. Just because you checked when the team wasn't doing good don't mean others did and they are mostly speaking in totality while you are only speaking from your pov based on this year. I don't have a job and even when I did my boss was my dad so I can't speak on that. I can tell you the business I run doesn't care about last year though. What does that have to do with Taylor besides you making up any reason to excuse her of anything? People in here are mainly speaking overall which includes last year so stop trying to make a new category just to absolve her of being talked about.

I don't care if you think she's solid honesty because I've said many times I don't even think she's bad. I said I just don't like when guys put on their capes for women for no reason. Don't mess with poor little baby like she isn't above being talked about. That is my only point in this constant back and forth with you and a few others.

Guns a blazin is a saying but I see we all can exaggerate to make things whatever we want to see them for. No stuff its my own view who said it wasn't? I don't know you to judge you so spare me. You are caping for Taylor that's not judgement that's just fact. Now if I said you was a jerk or something like that that is moreso judging you IMO not saying you are caping based off your post on this thread. You maybe a great guy it doesn't mean that you aren't defending her in a way you and most guys wouldn't defend a man in a similar situation and I don't see how y'all can't see how that comes off. Lastly whatever comes to mind for you is ok by me its all just messageboard disagreement at the end of the day. No more no less. I'm pretty sure we will all be ok right after we log off.


Why do y'all feel so sympathetic to her? I feel sorry for some of y'all that out people on pedestals for no reason.

Unfair bias is not a reason? Even if you do not agree try having some empathy and understand that others see that as the reason.

And lets be clear here. I do not pick sides. I have supported Nate when people made fun of the way he talks. I have supported Bosa when people said he was unathletic. Male, female, white, black, puerto rican or haitian. All deserve equal treatment.

I don't like unfair bias in any form.
 
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Of course there's no proof. It's not reasonable to expect there to be proof of something like that. It's merely my conclusion I came to after listening to the show, but thats what I base my appraisal of her early work on, just like I do with all their on-air personalities.

The fact that all of them learn from the more experienced members of the team isn't relevant. If Broaddus were triggering Helman's takes and Helman awkwardly reading his thoughts from his prep notes with the same read-cadence Stern used to use, we'd draw the same conclusion, but he didn't, so we don't.

And note that this is all stuff I'm saying Stern did early on that she no longer relies on. I give her credit for coming up to speed on it. I didn't realize she reported on the Big 10 before joining the Cowboys. It would be interesting to hear some of that work, because I can't imagine her having a relevant prior gig as green as she was. I'll look for some examples.

Why is it not reasonable? I can prove that Helman writes Broaddus' articles. I can prove that the panels are given the show topics prior to the show.

What is unreasonable to me is assuming something absent evidence.

I'll grant it is possible. It is also possible that the world is run by aquatic creatures through extrasensory powers. That is no reason to believe it is true.
 

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What is a media department?

The point is she has been around football professionally for years and is not a neophyte to the sport.

Social media. That doesn't necessarily mean being a reporter as you stated. Pretty sure Cowboys have ball boys too who have been around football professionally for years too. Oh well, no big deal.
 

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I understand the fun of this thread but this is absolutely amazing that we're talking about Tay Stern and the DC.com personalities STILL on game day. We literally just played a game fellas... :huh:
 

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I understand the fun of this thread but this is absolutely amazing that we're talking about Tay Stern and the DC.com personalities STILL on game day. We literally just played a game fellas... :huh:

Because I said the word 'average looking' people took offense to that.
 

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Why is it not reasonable? I can prove that Helman writes Broaddus' articles. I can prove that the panels are given the show topics prior to the show.

What is unreasonable to me is assuming something absent evidence.

I'll grant it is possible. It is also possible that the world is run by aquatic creatures through extrasensory powers. That is no reason to believe it is true.

There's a difference between believing something you can't prove and having evidence of something you believe despite it not being sufficient to qualify as proof.

For example, when a new personality can't describe any aspect of the game correctly, stumbles over her words repeatedly, and then, once or twice a show answers a soft-pitch technical football question correctly with a vocal pattern that suggests she's very likely reading from her notes and with an answer that has the syntax wrong with the exception of the phrases that are obviously written explicitly on the notes and which are more sophisticated than anything else she's said all day....is that proof? No. Is it enough give a reasonable person suspicion that she's been fed an answer? In my opinion, it completely and obviously is. At the same time, I can understand somebody thinking it's not--especially in the context of trying to win a debate on a football forum. Either way, it's circumstantial evidence, at best.

So I"m saying I believe she was spoonfed answers early on based entirely off of anecdotal observations. I believe they did it to cover for a football knowledge gap that was significant. And I believe she's worked hard to close that gap. Would I have hired her at the start? Nope. Do I mind a person getting a break and working hard to justify the faith the show showed her? Nope. I respect it, in fact. But I still think Brian spoonfed here.

(Lol, autocorrect changed 'spoonfed' to 'spooned.' Gross).
 

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There's a difference between believing something you can't prove and having evidence of something you believe despite it not being sufficient to qualify as proof.

For example, when a new personality can't describe any aspect of the game correctly, stumbles over her words repeatedly, and then, once or twice a show answers a soft-pitch technical football question correctly with a vocal pattern that suggests she's very likely reading from her notes and with an answer that has the syntax wrong with the exception of the phrases that are obviously written explicitly on the notes and which are more sophisticated than anything else she's said all day....is that proof? No. Is it enough give a reasonable person suspicion that she's been fed an answer? In my opinion, it completely and obviously is. At the same time, I can understand somebody thinking it's not--especially in the context of trying to win a debate on a football forum. Either way, it's circumstantial evidence, at best.

So I"m saying I believe she was spoonfed answers early on based entirely off of anecdotal observations. I believe they did it to cover for a football knowledge gap that was significant. And I believe she's worked hard to close that gap. Would I have hired her at the start? Nope. Do I mind a person getting a break and working hard to justify the faith the show showed her? Nope. I respect it, in fact. But I still think Brian spoonfed here.

(Lol, autocorrect changed 'spoonfed' to 'spooned.' Gross).

SMH, the GED comedy hour continues...

Having "evidence" not sufficient to qualify as proof is to not have evidence at all.
 
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And you'd be all crap, no credibility.

You talk a lot of ish in threads where nobody backs you up and you end up embarrassing yourself over and over for your trouble, Pomona.

Either way, you're not a heavy-hitter in the credibility department. Let's just let this one lie where it is since we're not discussing football here, anyway. Either participate in the topic, or let the posters who are on-topic finish up in the thread.
 
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