Gregory decision will be known before playoff game *Merge*

Trouty said:
Not to mention tests will show up dilution (a way to flush out the THC) by creatinine levels. The easiest way to pass a weed test is by chugging liters and liters of water. But by doing so, you wash out your creatinine, which is always present in urine... always resulting in a negative test (if the creatinine levels in the urine sample are below the threshold, most testing agencies have a cutoff by creatinine/ng).

It's incredibly difficult to pass a urine test days after smoking with all the added parameters (that I'm sure the NFL uses).

If he passed a test a week after he missed it, it's highly unlikely he partook.
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And you know this because.......lol.
 
Ranching said:
And you know this because.......lol.
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:grin:

Pre-beer days and working for Northrop Grumman made me an expert :)

I was paranoid of failing tests, when I used to partake, so I was always up on how to get by it. I was only tested once for pre-employment, and I was clean then, but I had about a one year run as a smoker. And the threat of being tested was always there.

But it's been years, so I've lost some of the intracacies. @gmoney112, on the other hand... :grin:
 
Trouty said:
:grin:

Pre-beer days and working for Northrop Grumman made me an expert :)

I was paranoid of failing tests, when I used to partake, so I was always up on how to get by it. I was only tested once for pre-employment, and I was clean then, but I had about a one year run as a smoker. And the threat of being tested was always there.

But it's been years, so I've lost some of the intracacies. @gmoney112, on the other hand... :grin:
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I had to take a urine test at a job one year, I was so paranoid that I couldn't get myself to go for three hours, and I've never done drugs in my entire life. Lol other than alcohol, if that counts.
 
So he missed a test? I am not too up on his situation. Did he miss a test while in rehab?
 
aikemirv said:
So he missed a test? I am not too up on his situation. Did he miss a test while in rehab?
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You can't make excuses for missing tests. The NFL has told players in the system that they will send a representative to take the test
wherever they are even if traveling. He really has no excuse even if he was rehabbing. I expect to see him banned for some significant
time extending into next year. It's his fault and he will have to pay the piper. Cowboys knew he had the problem and Stephen says
the team is going to stick with him even if he can't play next year.
 
gmoney112 said:
Hahaha. Agreed. Although I think the B vitamin was for coloring. But a red meat diet and 10g of Creatine per day for a week, 25g day of test, gallon of gatorade and you are set my friend.

Not that i'd know.
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All of that is just too much work. Go buy some dehydrated urine for less than 50 bucks and smoke a bowl before you walk in to take the test.
 
LittleD said:
You can't make excuses for missing tests. The NFL has told players in the system that they will send a representative to take the test
wherever they are even if traveling. He really has no excuse even if he was rehabbing. I expect to see him banned for some significant
time extending into next year. It's his fault and he will have to pay the piper. Cowboys knew he had the problem and Stephen says
the team is going to stick with him even if he can't play next year.
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I was just asking because I did not know what his situation was because this thing has just been one long mess.. I understand that you can't make excuses like that because any player who was supposed to test would just check into rehab instead....

By the way. How long did Stallworth get for killing the guy?
 
This is my first post and I have chosen to join the Randy Gregory conversation. It is a divisive and emotional subject, so please be gentle.

Why post now and why Randy Gregory? Earlier this week, my son informed me that, after nearly 2 years of sobriety, he used drugs again. For more than a decade, he was in and out of rehab centers. He was kicked off his college basketball team and eventually dropped out of university, lost his wife and alienated most of his family. Before his two years of sobriety, he was living on the streets. I heard many of the same comments about my son as I have read about Randy Gregory -- "he's an idiot", "thrown it all away", "no self control", "can't be trusted", etc. I got through these difficult years by educating myself about substance abuse (I am an engineer, so I have a rather OCD approach to learning something new) and by actively participating in Al-Anon even to the point of being a counselor for family members of addicts. My son is back in a sober living home and has completed two week's sobriety. Obviously, substance abuse is a very personal issue for me... chances are, some of you have been touched by substance abuse as well.

While most of us can occasionally partake an adult beverage or use pot or controlled substances, very few of us will develop a true addiction. The AMA along with similar organizations world-wide acknowledge substance abuse as a disease. Nonetheless, many still believe that substance abuse is simply a matter of choice or behavior. Certainly, that first drink or first use of drugs is a matter of choice. Unfortunately, the addict's brain chemistry reacts differently than most (and, by addict, I am not confining the definition to alcohol or drugs, this equally applies to gambling or other such addictions as well). It is no longer a matter of choice for the addict.

An addict I became familiar with through Al-Anon once explained like this: An known alcoholic walks into a bar and orders a drink. A customer at the bar tells the addict, "if you take that drink, I will blow your brains out" and then lays his handgun on the bar. The addict doesn't think, "whoa, I won't take that drink". No, the addict often thinks... maybe he is kidding, maybe the gun isn't loaded, maybe someone will stop him before he shots me.

Now, back to Randy... while I don't know his clinical diagnosis, he shows all the signs and symptoms of drug addiction. He is not stupid or selfish or lacking self control. He has a disease. I have no doubts, though, that the Cowboy organization is providing him the best resources and counseling available. Randy is responsible and accountable for following through with his program... believe me, though, rehab is often not a one-and-done proposition. The recidivism rate is quite high.

Regardless whether he ever plays for the Cowboys again or not, I wish him all the best and pray for his success.

For those that take the time to read this -- thanks! Just needed to get a few things off my chest.
 
ColoCowboy said:
This is my first post and I have chosen to join the Randy Gregory conversation. It is a divisive and emotional subject, so please be gentle.

Why post now and why Randy Gregory? Earlier this week, my son informed me that, after nearly 2 years of sobriety, he used drugs again. For more than a decade, he was in and out of rehab centers. He was kicked off his college basketball team and eventually dropped out of university, lost his wife and alienated most of his family. Before his two years of sobriety, he was living on the streets. I heard many of the same comments about my son as I have read about Randy Gregory -- "he's an idiot", "thrown it all away", "no self control", "can't be trusted", etc. I got through these difficult years by educating myself about substance abuse (I am an engineer, so I have a rather OCD approach to learning something new) and by actively participating in Al-Anon even to the point of being a counselor for family members of addicts. My son is back in a sober living home and has completed two week's sobriety. Obviously, substance abuse is a very personal issue for me... chances are, some of you have been touched by substance abuse as well.

While most of us can occasionally partake an adult beverage or use pot or controlled substances, very few of us will develop a true addiction. The AMA along with similar organizations world-wide acknowledge substance abuse as a disease. Nonetheless, many still believe that substance abuse is simply a matter of choice or behavior. Certainly, that first drink or first use of drugs is a matter of choice. Unfortunately, the addict's brain chemistry reacts differently than most (and, by addict, I am not confining the definition to alcohol or drugs, this equally applies to gambling or other such addictions as well). It is no longer a matter of choice for the addict.

An addict I became familiar with through Al-Anon once explained like this: An known alcoholic walks into a bar and orders a drink. A customer at the bar tells the addict, "if you take that drink, I will blow your brains out" and then lays his handgun on the bar. The addict doesn't think, "whoa, I won't take that drink". No, the addict often thinks... maybe he is kidding, maybe the gun isn't loaded, maybe someone will stop him before he shots me.

Now, back to Randy... while I don't know his clinical diagnosis, he shows all the signs and symptoms of drug addiction. He is not stupid or selfish or lacking self control. He has a disease. I have no doubts, though, that the Cowboy organization is providing him the best resources and counseling available. Randy is responsible and accountable for following through with his program... believe me, though, rehab is often not a one-and-done proposition. The recidivism rate is quite high.

Regardless whether he ever plays for the Cowboys again or not, I wish him all the best and pray for his success.

For those that take the time to read this -- thanks! Just needed to get a few things off my chest.
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Much needed post on this discussion.
 
ColoCowboy said:
This is my first post and I have chosen to join the Randy Gregory conversation. It is a divisive and emotional subject, so please be gentle.

Why post now and why Randy Gregory? Earlier this week, my son informed me that, after nearly 2 years of sobriety, he used drugs again. For more than a decade, he was in and out of rehab centers. He was kicked off his college basketball team and eventually dropped out of university, lost his wife and alienated most of his family. Before his two years of sobriety, he was living on the streets. I heard many of the same comments about my son as I have read about Randy Gregory -- "he's an idiot", "thrown it all away", "no self control", "can't be trusted", etc. I got through these difficult years by educating myself about substance abuse (I am an engineer, so I have a rather OCD approach to learning something new) and by actively participating in Al-Anon even to the point of being a counselor for family members of addicts. My son is back in a sober living home and has completed two week's sobriety. Obviously, substance abuse is a very personal issue for me... chances are, some of you have been touched by substance abuse as well.

While most of us can occasionally partake an adult beverage or use pot or controlled substances, very few of us will develop a true addiction. The AMA along with similar organizations world-wide acknowledge substance abuse as a disease. Nonetheless, many still believe that substance abuse is simply a matter of choice or behavior. Certainly, that first drink or first use of drugs is a matter of choice. Unfortunately, the addict's brain chemistry reacts differently than most (and, by addict, I am not confining the definition to alcohol or drugs, this equally applies to gambling or other such addictions as well). It is no longer a matter of choice for the addict.

An addict I became familiar with through Al-Anon once explained like this: An known alcoholic walks into a bar and orders a drink. A customer at the bar tells the addict, "if you take that drink, I will blow your brains out" and then lays his handgun on the bar. The addict doesn't think, "whoa, I won't take that drink". No, the addict often thinks... maybe he is kidding, maybe the gun isn't loaded, maybe someone will stop him before he shots me.

Now, back to Randy... while I don't know his clinical diagnosis, he shows all the signs and symptoms of drug addiction. He is not stupid or selfish or lacking self control. He has a disease. I have no doubts, though, that the Cowboy organization is providing him the best resources and counseling available. Randy is responsible and accountable for following through with his program... believe me, though, rehab is often not a one-and-done proposition. The recidivism rate is quite high.

Regardless whether he ever plays for the Cowboys again or not, I wish him all the best and pray for his success.

For those that take the time to read this -- thanks! Just needed to get a few things off my chest.
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Welcome and good luck

Keep posting and don't worry we all never agree about anything
 
Risen Star said:
Joe, I didn't bring up the fact two cases were supposedly handled differently. It was only mentioned to continue this sissy stuff of the league hating on the Cowboys.

Try to pay attention. It's not a conspiracy. Randy Gregory is just an idiot. A bad dude. He doesn't deserve to play in the league.
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I did. Are you having that much trouble reading what I'm saying. Here slowly for you:

You said We were accusing the NFL of conspiracy... I said we weren't. Rather, it was two similar cases handled with different time frames.

You are the authority on sissy stuff. I'll grant you that.
 
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Carharris2 said:
I did. Are you having that much trouble reading what I'm saying. Here slowly for you:

You said it was a conspiracy... I said it wasn't. Rather, it was two similar cases handled with different time frames.

You are the authority on sissy stuff. I'll grant you that.
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I wasn't the one talking about the inconsistency of the way the NFL hands out these suspensions. It was the conspiracy theorist who have to play victim that did that.

Way to school me on my stance that it isn't a conspiracy by telling me it isn't a conspiracy.
 
Risen Star said:
I wasn't the one talking about the inconsistency of the way the NFL hands out these suspensions. It was the conspiracy theorist who have to play victim that did that.

Way to school me on my stance that it isn't a conspiracy by telling me it isn't a conspiracy.
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You were saying that @phildadon86 was saying it was a conspiracy. I said it was two similar cases handled with different timeframes.
 
Risen Star said:
I wasn't the one talking about the inconsistency of the way the NFL hands out these suspensions. It was the conspiracy theorist who have to play victim that did that.

Way to school me on my stance that it isn't a conspiracy by telling me it isn't a conspiracy.
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Talking about inconsistency doesn't equate to talking about a conspiracy existing.
 
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