Break down of Jabrill Peppers in coverage

[Setackin]

I know there was just a thread about Peppers, but I don't think either side really made a good argument. I think this video (it's not me) does a great job of showing his abilities. If he's there at 28, I'd be running to the podium!

 

[AsthmaField]

That guy probably put it about as close to what I've been trying to say about Peppers, as anyone has.

I like him a lot and think he would be a big plus to the Dallas defense. He'd bring the alpha dog mentality over there like Zeke brought to offense.

We could do a lot worse at 28... but I doubt he makes it there.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Love that guy's breakdowns.

 

[JBS]

Can someone give me the cliff notes until I get a chance to actually watch the video a bit later? TIA

 

[fishspill]

Can someone give me the cliff notes until I get a chance to actually watch the video a bit later? TIA

On reevaluation the narrator liked Peppers a lot more.

His role on defense was to contain run so he had lower numbers than he could have had.
His role with the run meant he was coached to play almost all coverage with outside leverage so he could watch the backfield which left the inside responsibility to someone else but often made it look like Peppers blew the coverage.
When he did cover man-to-man he was very good. Had problems with big TEs though.
He is good at returning kicks.

 

[MonsterD]

I never had any problem with us drafting him.

 

[Setackin]

That guy probably put it about as close to what I've been trying to say about Peppers, as anyone has.

I like him a lot and think he would be a big plus to the Dallas defense. He'd bring the alpha dog mentality over there like Zeke brought to offense.

We could do a lot worse at 28... but I doubt he makes it there.

I really think he would too, defense needs an injection for youth and talent.

 

[Leadbelly]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

 

[AsthmaField]

I really think he would too, defense needs an injection for youth and talent.

Yeah, I agree. He might not bring the attitude quite as much as Zeke did... but not many would. Zeke is a Boss. He knows it. His team mates know it. The opposing team knows it. The entire team gets behind that and is like, "My running back can beat up your running back!!"

I do think Peppers extreme athleticism and attitude would do the same thing to the defense... just to a lesser degree. He'd fit right in with Zeke/Dak/Dez.

 

[gmoney112]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

I will disagree. I can see what you mean, but I don't see Peppers having a hard position role. He's going to a guy in the middle of the field that has a ton of speed and can tackle, you really can't have too many of those guys in todays game.

If Jaylon is healthy and Peppers is behind him, the middle of our defense just got astronomically more athletic. You can start him at SS, bring im in as an extra LB in certain nickel formations. You get the benefit of a guy that can run, tackle, and cover.

He'd play a ton, imo.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

Some really good points, LB. Definitely something to stop and ponder.

I agree that Greg Jackson will be a big part of the decision if Peppers is there at 28... and like you, that makes me comfortable with whatever decision they make on it.

 

[fishspill]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

And that's one thing a lot of people that tout any player's return ability fail to understand: if they become invaluable at their position on D or O, you aren't going to risk them on ST much.

 

[gmoney112]

The only thing that concerns me is turnovers. For a guy that athletic, he was basically allergic to the ball, how many forced fumbles did he have again?

It's just weird.

I will say that having him and Jaylon (please) as the young center pieces to build around in the middle of your defense would be a great start. Adding Lee on top of that and it's hard not to be optimistic. And i'm not even Peppers biggest fan.

How much attention have they given Jabrill?

Edit: That dude did a good job on the video. Michigan's defense is going to be insane this year.

 

[Alexander]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

Great point. No doubt he had a hand in recruiting him and he will also know best how he can be used.

 

[Rockdoc]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

I agree that is unnecessary to have the classic SS(church) in this day.
but have to cover the athletic TEs. So for us that is basically Jones. Is he the "SS"?
if so then 3 CBs makes sense. if no or not sure having another athletic safety who tackles is a great idea. Peppers does fit that.
i have said that we need to get away from classic SS and FS. and use hybrids.
a step away from your idea of 3 CBs and FS

 

[fishspill]

The only thing that concerns me is turnovers. For a guy that athletic, he was basically allergic to the ball, how many forced fumbles did he have again?

It's just weird.

I will say that having him and Jaylon (please) as the young center pieces to build around in the middle of your defense would be a great start. Adding Lee on top of that and it's hard not to be optimistic. And i'm not even Peppers biggest fan.

How much attention have they given Jabrill?

Edit: That dude did a good job on the video. Michigan's defense is going to be insane this year.

Peppers isn't nuts from a Rod standpoint. He can cover and tackle and be a blitzer from the slot. Rod loves those things.

 

[Doc50]

It's all on Greg Jackson. He's going to know more than anyone. Major advantage for us. If we take him, I'll be comfortable with the selection.

That said, I voted No. I think it's bad roster management to be paying $12 to 15 mil to your two starting Safeties in 4 years. If you're not willing to do that (i.e., sign them to the 2nd contract) then you wasted a RD1 pick on either Peppers or Byron Jones (assuming Jones doesn't move to CB, which I don't think happens).

SS is not a hard position to fill. Not worth a 1st. I'd rather play 3CBs and a FS, which is where I think the game is going. Church played around 64% of the defensive snaps; Wilcox 53%. Peppers would play more but I don't think we win one more game because we have a better SS.

His other skills cause some hesitation, but I've said in other threads that the only way I think he'd get heavy longterm use as a returner is if he didn't work out at S. That's obviously not the goal for a guy you pick in RD1.

If Jackson thinks he can be our Polamalu, then I'm all in.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I will disagree. I can see what you mean, but I don't see Peppers having a hard position role. He's going to a guy in the middle of the field that has a ton of speed and can tackle, you really can't have too many of those guys in todays game.

If Jaylon is healthy and Peppers is behind him, the middle of our defense just got astronomically more athletic. You can start him at SS, bring im in as an extra LB in certain nickel formations. You get the benefit of a guy that can run, tackle, and cover.

He'd play a ton, imo.

Heath has alot of range for a SS and would move into that dime role Wilcox was in. A combo of Heath and Peppers in Dime could be a very very good one

 

[rags747]

How does Peppers compare to Roy Williams if at all?

 

[reddyuta]

Worrying about contracts 5 years down the line and not going BPA when we pick seems wrong to me .we don't regret picking Zack Martin do we?