Andrew Luck

[Zordon]

IF Dak sucks again next year and IF Andrew Luck recovers from his botched surgery would you guys like to make a play for him next offseason? There were rumblings a few months ago that he wanted a change of scenery. I can't blame him since the Colts seem to have no clue how to build a formidable oline and they've handled his injury poorly. How about we bring the Texas kid home for a few years until we find a long-term replacement? If If we were to trade for him next offseason, he'd have 3 yrs left on his deal w/ $23M guaranteed...not bad. Colts could also cut him and only be on the hook for $12M.

 

[Vanilla2]

Over

Rated

!!!!

 

[visionary]

Real

Head

Coach

Or

Nothing

Will

Work

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Sure,but I doubt the Colts would be willing to give Luck up. Without him, they’re basically the Browns.

 

[CowboyRoy]

IF Dak sucks again next year and IF Andrew Luck recovers from his botched surgery would you guys like to make a play for him next offseason? There were rumblings a few months ago that he wanted a change of scenery. I can't blame him since the Colts seem to have no clue how to build a formidable oline and they've handled his injury poorly. How about we bring the Texas kid home for a few years until we find a long-term replacement? If If we were to trade for him next offseason, he'd have 3 yrs left on his deal w/ $23M guaranteed...not bad. Colts could also cut him and only be on the hook for $12M.

Luck is awesome. And certainly a completely healthy Luck is better then Dak. But Dak is great. There will be no need. Unless of course Zeke is going to get suspended again, we are going to stick with the same dull playbook, same lame receivers, and the Oline is going to continue to fall apart. And in that case Luck would get killed here anyway.

 

[jazzcat22]

Sure,but I doubt the Colts would be willing to give Luck up. Without him, they’re basically the Browns.

And yet here we are, the Dallas Cowboys sitting at home watching the playoffs the same as the Colts and Browns.
Record doesn't matter at this point and next year is a new year.

 

[Jake]

Real
Head
Coach
Or
Nothing
Will
Work

Dated meme is, sadly, still accurate.

 

[starcity214]

Luck is awesome. And certainly a completely healthy Luck is better then Dak. But Dak is great. There will be no need. Unless of course Zeke is going to get suspended again, we are going to stick with the same dull playbook, same lame receivers, and the Oline is going to continue to fall apart. And in that case Luck would get killed here anyway.

Funny how with Dak as our QB, everyone around him sucks...

Whats more likely, that 10 players sucked from one year to the next, or that one player is just not good?

 

[Stash]

Funny how with Dak as our QB, everyone around him sucks...

Whats more likely, that 10 players sucked from one year to the next, or that one player is just not good?

How is it that he didn't "suck" as a rookie and somehow, someway, got so much worse the longer he worked in this offense with this coaching staff?

 

[Direwolf63]

When healthy, Luck is clearly a better passer than Dak. But he's immobile. He would have been killed against Seattle.

Our only hope is that Dak develops into a good passer. My only question is who is going to develop him? No current coach can do that.

 

[KJJ]

Dak didn’t suck this year. After the first seven games he had 14 TD passes which included 3 straight games with 3 TDs and he had 2 rushing TDs. He was solid until Zeke was suspended and Tyron started missing games. Once our running game started to fizz and our pass protection started breaking down it became a struggle for him. His season certainly wasn’t up to last years standards but the team around him wasn’t near as good as last year’s and it affected his play. It’s clear some of you have lost faith in Dak and have already given up on him.

As for Andrew Luck he’s all beat up with a bad shoulder. He’s been knocked around the last few years and has lost some of his confidence. It would be foolish to give up on a young, developing QB for a beat up one who’s missed an entire season with a bum shoulder.

 

[4lifecowboy]

How is it that he didn't "suck" as a rookie and somehow, someway, got so much worse the longer he worked in this offense with this coaching staff?

A better healthier offensive line with Leary and Free? A full year with Elliot behind him? A back up QB calling out coverages for him on the bench? Luck? You choose.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Jacoby Brisett would be an option to trade for, once Luck comes back.

 

[starcity214]

How is it that he didn't "suck" as a rookie and somehow, someway, got so much worse the longer he worked in this offense with this coaching staff?

The 2016 season in a nutshell -

1st and 10 at the Dal 20 , Zeke runs for 12 yards...

1st and 10 at the Dal 32, Zeke runs for 9 yards..

2nd and 1 at the Dal 41, Dal play action pass to Witten for 4 yards...first down

1st and 10 at the Dal 45, Zeke runs for 4 yards..

2nd and 6 at the Dal 49, Zeke runs for 4 yards...

3rd and 2 at the OPP 47, Dal play action pass to Beasley for 4 yards...first down.

1st and 10 at the OPP 43, Zeke runs for 31 yards....

1st and 10 at the OPP 12, Dak Read option fake throws to a wide open Witten in the endzone ..TD

Dak is playing at the same exact level he did last year... the difference? Teams have taken away the run and forced Dak to beat them eith his arm. He is not capable of doing it..

Look at the Denver game as an example (because some will claim Zeke not being here is the reason)

We could have Barry Sanders with the 90's cowboys O line but if the defenses don't fear the long ball , The RB will get stuffed every time. You can't block 9 players with 5..you just can't.

 

[starcity214]

When healthy, Luck is clearly a better passer than Dak. But he's immobile. He would have been killed against Seattle.

Our only hope is that Dak develops into a good passer. My only question is who is going to develop him? No current coach can do that.

Come on man...
The reason Dak was getting killed was because he's not very good against the blitz
I guarantee you that Seattle backs off the blitz on the first long ball Dak completes...

Troy kept mentioning how Dak didn't do anything (call a hot route, set protection) against the blitz ..

There's a reason teams don't blitz Brady.

 

[KJJ]

When healthy, Luck is clearly a better passer than Dak. But he's immobile.

Luck is immobile? You obviously haven’t seen him play because he’s very mobile. He’s had over 1400 rushing yards with 14 TDs. The problem with him is he takes a lot of sacks and punishment. If the Colts are willing to trade him then it shows just how concerned they are with his health. A QB with a bad shoulder carries a very high risk. He’s a terrific player when healthy but he’s had numerous injuries and has a bad shoulder. Only a team that feels they’re a QB away from a championship would touch him in my opinion. A QB with a shoulder problem is a scary proposition.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Funny how with Dak as our QB, everyone around him sucks...

Whats more likely, that 10 players sucked from one year to the next, or that one player is just not good?

Your exaggerations do nothing for your argument.

Its pretty simple actually. last year compared to this year. And Dak was even more inexperienced last year. Same coaches so what was the big difference from one year to the next?

1-Different personnel along the Oline at two positions
2-Injuries to the Oline (Tyrone Smith)
3-Zeke suspension
4-Teams had time to take away what Dak likes to do
5-Tougher schedule

Now if you are implying that the big difference is that Dak has less skills or less experience then he had his rookie year, well then that would be just plain stupid. Now if you want to try to argue that #4 was the biggest reason he struggled, then that is an angle. But considering the other 4 differences it would be weak at best.

Even this year in the first 8 games before the Zeke suspension and before Tyrone Smith got hurt Daks QB rating was a 102.8. And that includes the abysmal Denver game. Not shocking that in that particular game the run game was virtually shut down. So with a Zeke and a fully healthy Oline Dak was not quite as good as his rookie year, but still very good.

Once Zeke went out and Tyrone Smith was out against Atlanta things went down the tubes. His QB rating without one or both of those guys over the next 8 games dropped drastically to 64.23.

Simple simple analysis. The problem was NOT Dak by a long shot. It was that our two best players on offense got either hurt or suspended and the offense basically fell apart.

Now you want to argue that Dak should have played better despite the problems then I will definitely agree with you. But for a 2nd year QB where basically everything went south around him, I am not going to over analyze it like some of the Romo cry babies do.

 

[starcity214]

Your exaggerations do nothing for your argument.

Its pretty simple actually. last year compared to this year. And Dak was even more inexperienced last year. Same coaches so what was the big difference from one year to the next?

1-Different personnel along the Oline at two positions
2-Injuries to the Oline (Tyrone Smith)
3-Zeke suspension
4-Teams had time to take away what Dak likes to do
5-Tougher schedule

Now if you are implying that the big difference is that Dak has less skills or less experience then he had his rookie year, well then that would be just plain stupid. Now if you want to try to argue that #4 was the biggest reason he struggled, then that is an angle. But considering the other 4 differences it would be weak at best.

#1 through #3 go out the window when you realize that we are the second best rushing offense in the NFL this year and that our Oline has given up 31 sacks (55 leads the league).

At the end of the day, if Dak needs others to elevate his play, he's not "Franchize QB" material.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

When healthy, Luck is clearly a better passer than Dak. But he's immobile. He would have been killed against Seattle.

Our only hope is that Dak develops into a good passer. My only question is who is going to develop him? No current coach can do that.

Dak ran a 4.79 and luck ran a 4.67 lol...so he's hardly immobile.

 

[Stash]

A better healthier offensive line with Leary and Free? A full year with Elliot behind him? A back up QB calling out coverages for him on the bench? Luck? You choose.

I’ll take lousy coaches for $1,000 Alex. Just like they’ve done with every quarterback they’ve had other than Romo.